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Extremely ethical wakefield jokes about how people will do anything for money, while lying to audience.
Very ethical.
Much wow.
It is extra ethical as Wakefield's self-serving lie(s) is also plausible - it has to be in order to work. It has to be believable that a child could lose consciousness, or be caused to vomit, after undergoing this medical research. Of course, that is quite plausible - that's why ethical researchers obtain independent ethical oversight before conducting medical research on children.
He admitted it was naive of him to think he could take samples without the permission of an ethics committee. This has nothing to do with the reason they revoked his license and you know it. Anyway, I'm done discussing Wakefield. I believe you are wrong about him and he will be vindicated.
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He said it was naive of him to think he could take samples without the permission of an ethics committee.
Maybe he was lying when he said that peacegirl! Like you say, he does fabricate stuff when it suits him!

Of course, either way, Andrew Wakefield was also immensely unethical to conduct medical research on children without independent ethical oversight.
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Ok, peacegirl. Andrew Wakefield is a fraudulent liar who unethically conducts medical research on children without obtaining independent medical oversight. There is no moral defense of his unethical conduct of medical research on children. "IT'S OK BECAUSE HE WAS LYING" is a pathetic moral position to take. However, it fits you.
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He said it was naive of him to think he could take samples without the permission of an ethics committee.
Maybe he was lying when he said that peacegirl! Like you say, he does fabricate stuff when it suits him!

Of course, either way, Andrew Wakefield was also immensely unethical to conduct medical research on children without independent ethical oversight.
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Ok, peacegirl. Andrew Wakefield is a fraudulent liar who unethically conducts medical research on children without obtaining independent medical oversight. There is no moral defense of his unethical conduct of medical research on children. "IT'S OK BECAUSE HE WAS LYING" is a pathetic moral position to take. However, it fits you.
He was not lying. Much of what he was accused of never happened. Let it go Chuck. It's not going to be resolved here.
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Old 12-10-2016, 10:41 PM
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He was not lying.
But peacegirl, you just said he was lying.

peacegirl, was Andrew Wakefield telling the truth when he said that "two children fainted, one threw up over his mother" when he unethically conducted medical research on them without obtaining independent ethical oversight?
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By the way, we're not just talking about blood samples, he ordered colonoscopies, colon biopsies and lumbar punctures without approval of the ethics board.

For the home-schooled among us, that means shoving a tube up the kid's asshole, cutting small pieces out of their guts, and poking a needle into the spine.
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Old 12-11-2016, 12:16 AM
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Anyway, I'm done discussing Wakefield. I believe you are wrong about him and he will be vindicated.
How will he be vindicated?
You know, this reminds me a lot of creationism, many creationists justified their bold faced lies with the idea that eventually they would be vindicated, so it wasn't really lying, just speaking truth before the evidence existed.

Ok shall we go back to you choosing your favorite anti-vax paper from that 1053 page PDF?
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This has nothing to do with the reason they revoked his license and you know it.
I think conducting unethical research on children has everything to do with revoking his license, as would be expected.

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Anyway, I'm done discussing Wakefield. I believe you are wrong about him and he will be vindicated.
I'm sure he will be vindicated at around the same time Lessans' ideas will be vindicated.
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He was not lying.
But peacegirl, you just said he was lying.

peacegirl, was Andrew Wakefield telling the truth when he said that "two children fainted, one threw up over his mother" when he unethically conducted medical research on them without obtaining independent ethical oversight?
Joking is not lying! Lying is an effort to deceive and he was not deceiving anyone.
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Old 12-11-2016, 12:21 AM
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Lying is an effort to deceive and he was not deceiving anyone.
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So when he said something false, and people believed him, he was... whating them?
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Old 12-11-2016, 12:30 AM
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:lol:

peacegirl, this is what happens when you set out to defend an unethical fraudulent quack liar.

In fairness, you are right to say that it won't be resolved here; because it has already been resolved, years ago, when Andrew Wakefield lost his license for being an unethical fraudulent quack.
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By the way, we're not just talking about blood samples, he ordered colonoscopies, colon biopsies and lumbar punctures without approval of the ethics board.

For the home-schooled among us, that means shoving a tube up the kid's asshole, cutting small pieces out of their guts, and poking a needle into the spine.
He got ethical approval for whatever was indicated.
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And these tests were not indicated. :nope:
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And these tests were not indicated. :nope:
That's not true. He never even performed the tests. A team of renowned doctors performed them based on clinical observation and they all concurred that these children had inflammatory bowel disease.

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peacegirl, this is what happens when you set out to defend an unethical fraudulent quack liar.

In fairness, you are right to say that it won't be resolved here; because it has already been resolved, years ago, when Andrew Wakefield lost his license for being an unethical fraudulent quack.
The accusation that he was guilty is far from settled.
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A team of renowned doctors performed them based on clinical observation and they all concurred that these children had inflammatory bowel disease.
No, they didn't. :nope:
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Lying is an effort to deceive and he was not deceiving anyone.
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So when he said something false, and people believed him, he was... whating them?
He was making a joke because of the attacks against him. People were laughing with him because it was so obviously false that any children were hurt by what he did. That doesn't excuse him but the truth is he naively went ahead not realizing taking samples needed ethical approval. This became the perfect justification for revoking his license so that he would be mistrusted and parents would continue giving their kids the vaccine without a loss of revenue.
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He was making a joke because of the attacks against him.
Interesting how you massage facts.
"video footage of a speech Dr Wakefield gave in 1999 at a meeting of parents of autistic children called by the Mind Institute of the University of California, Davis, where he jokingly described children fainting and vomiting after giving blood."

1999, 1 year after he released his paper, there were no attacks against him. This happened 10 years before he would lose his license.
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He was making a joke because of the attacks against him.
peacegirl, do you consider children injured by the unethical conduct of medical research on children without independent ethical oversight to be like, funny ha-ha, or a more subtle kind of funny?

Merck vaccine researchers would like to know.
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A team of renowned doctors performed them based on clinical observation and they all concurred that these children had inflammatory bowel disease.
No, they didn't. :nope:
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He was making a joke because of the attacks against him.
peacegirl, do you consider children injured by the unethical conduct of medical research on children without independent ethical oversight to be like, funny ha-ha, or a more subtle kind of funny?

Merck vaccine researchers would like to know.
Merck vaccine researchers? They would be the last to question the conduct of Andrew Wakefield.

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So peacegirl, do you consider children injured by the unethical conduct of medical research on children without independent ethical oversight (you know, like Andrew Wakefield did!) to be like, funny ha-ha, or a more subtle kind of funny?

Parents doing their due diligence would like to know.
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So peacegirl, do you consider children injured by the unethical conduct of medical research on children without independent ethical oversight (you know, like Andrew Wakefield did!) to be like, funny ha-ha, or a more subtle kind of funny?

Parents doing their due diligence would like to know.
If parents did their due diligence they would answer your question quite easily. :yup:
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