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Thanks for the measles yet again, Andy – Respectful Insolence

Thanks for the measles yet again, Andy: Antivax vultures swoop in to spread misinformation among the Minnesota Somali immigrant community – Respectful Insolence

As always, Andy Wakefield is a money grubbing fraud, and the world will be a better place when he dies. :yup:
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I guess that's why I couldn't find reviewers for the paper on Open Access Texts' publication of this paper.
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"In those who get infected around the time of birth 90% develop chronic hepatitis B while less than 10% of those infected after the age of five do." -Wikipedia.

Why yes, why would we care about the lives of those children who aren't even Peacegirl's children. I'm with Peacegirl, Let them suffer! They can wear deathbelts for all we care!
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Twenty-four hours and forty-five minutes of peacegirl's terse farewell, abandoning the hypothetical confused parents who are encountering this thread and thinking,

"I'm curious about vaccine safety and due diligence. I guess I will read some or all of this 273 page discussion on a forum no one links to. Also, I'm on the fence, and it is quite possible that just one more of peacegirl's anti-vax fearporn links, or just one of her unhinged irrational pleas based on broad ignorance, might tip the balance."


Flouncing in and out, saying you're definitely done and out and then completely reversing over and over undermines the shadow of the illusion of the whisper of the imaginary thread of credibility you pretend to posses.
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"In those who get infected around the time of birth 90% develop chronic hepatitis B while less than 10% of those infected after the age of five do." -Wikipedia.

Why yes, why would we care about the lives of those children who aren't even Peacegirl's children. I'm with Peacegirl, Let them suffer! They can wear deathbelts for all we care!
If the mother is not at risk, neither is the infant. Every infant does not need this vaccine.

Even though hepatitis B disease is uncommon in the general population in the U.S., it continues to be high among those engaged in high-risk behaviors, especially IV drug use. Guide to Clinical Preventive Services states that "In recent years, a growing number of injection drug users have become infected; currently, between 60% and 80% of persons who use illicit drugs parenterally (through the skin such as with a needle stick) have serologic evidence of [hepatitis B] infection."

In 1991, there were 18,003 cases of hepatitis B reported in the U.S. out of a total U.S. population of 248 million. According to the October 31, 1997 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report published by the CDC, in 1996 there were 10,637 cases of hepatitis B reported in the U.S. with 279 cases reported in children under the age of 14 and the CDC stated that "Hepatitis B continues to decline in most states, primarily because of a decrease in the number of cases among injecting drug users and, to a lesser extent, among both homosexuals and heterosexuals of both sexes."

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Even though hepatitis B disease is uncommon in the general population in the U.S., it continues to be high among those engaged in high-risk behaviors, especially IV drug use. Guide to Clinical Preventive Services states that "In recent years, a growing number of injection drug users have become infected; currently, between 60% and 80% of persons who use illicit drugs parenterally (through the skin such as with a needle stick) have serologic evidence of [hepatitis B] infection."

In 1991, there were 18,003 cases of hepatitis B reported in the U.S. out of a total U.S. population of 248 million. According to the October 31, 1997 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report published by the CDC, in 1996 there were 10,637 cases of hepatitis B reported in the U.S. with 279 cases reported in children under the age of 14 and the CDC stated that "Hepatitis B continues to decline in most states, primarily because of a decrease in the number of cases among injecting drug users and, to a lesser extent, among both homosexuals and heterosexuals of both sexes."

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Hepatitis B Vaccination For Babies – Is It Really Necessary?
By Kelly Winder

One of the most deferred, and declined, vaccines on the childhood vaccination schedule is the hepatitis B vaccination, given at birth.

Whether your baby has the vaccine, or not, is another of those decisions that you, as a parent, need to make for your baby. No one else can make it for you.

Nothing can ever replace doing your own research, and feeling confident about what you decide is right for your family. To begin the process of decision-making, here are some of the facts and information you’ll need.

But don’t just take my word for it. Seek out more information to cross check what you know, and what you discover here.

Firstly, here is some basic information about hepatitis B.

What Is Hepatitis B?

Hepatitis B is a virus that attacks the liver and causes inflammation. The virus can be transmitted between individuals through infected blood and body fluids.

You cannot contract hepatitis B from coughing, sneezing, kissing, hugging, holding hands, or sharing crockery and utensils.

Hepatitis B can be either acute or chronic.

An acute infection is a newly diagnosed infection. According to the Hepatitis B Foundation, most healthy adults who are infected with hepatitis B do not have any symptoms, and their immune system is able to get rid of the virus without any problems.

Those who have cleared the hepatitis B virus will always show hepatitis B antibodies in their blood, but they won’t become infected again. They are classed as being immune.

Those who cannot get rid of the virus after six months are classed as having a chronic infection.

How Common Is Hepatitis B In Australia?

Australia is categorised as a ‘low prevalence’ country for hepatitis B. The virus affects around 1% of the population.

In 2013, approximately 210,000 people were living with chronic hepatitis B infection.

According to an article in Australian Family Physician, “two-thirds of Australians living with CHB [chronic hepatitis B] were born overseas, in endemic countries, or identify as being Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander”.

The article also states: “The increased prevalence of CHB in Australia is primarily due to increased migration from endemic countries”.

Groups At Risk For Contracting Hepatitis B

In Australia, and around the world, there are specific groups that are at increased risk of contracting hepatitis B.

In the United States, more than 50% of Americans with chronic hepatitis B infections are of Asian and Pacific Islander descent. In Australia, we have a similar situation, with the level at around 40%.

Here is a checklist to see if your baby is at risk of hepatitis B exposure.

Do any of these apply to your baby?

Having sex with a man who has sex with other men? (3% prevalence)
Sharing needles with a drug addict? (4% prevalence)
Being a migrant from a hepatitis B endemic country? (8% prevalence)
Being of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent (4% prevalence)
Being an inmate of a correctional facility?
Born from a hepatitis B positive mother?
From 2009 to 2013, the most frequently reported source of exposure (where a source was identified) was injection drug use.

Preventing Risk For Babies

I certainly do not want to downplay the seriousness of this disease.

In fact, the younger a person is at the time of contracting hepatitis B, the more likely the disease will become chronic. The important thing you need to decide is whether the risks outweigh the benefits, or not.

It’s highly unlikely that a newborn baby will be getting a tattoo in the backstreets of an endemic country, or sharing needles with a hepatitis B positive baby in the nursery.

In all seriousness, the most likely way newborn babies would contract hepatitis B is via an infection from their mothers.

If a baby’s mother is not hepatitis B positive, the chances her baby will contract hepatitis B within days of birth are extraordinarily low.

cont. at: Hepatitis B Vaccination For Babies - Is It Really Necessary? | BellyBelly
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Twenty-four hours and forty-five minutes of peacegirl's terse farewell, abandoning the hypothetical confused parents who are encountering this thread and thinking,

"I'm curious about vaccine safety and due diligence. I guess I will read some or all of this 273 page discussion on a forum no one links to. Also, I'm on the fence, and it is quite possible that just one more of peacegirl's anti-vax fearporn links, or just one of her unhinged irrational pleas based on broad ignorance, might tip the balance."


Flouncing in and out, saying you're definitely done and out and then completely reversing over and over undermines the shadow of the illusion of the whisper of the imaginary thread of credibility you pretend to posses.
At the time I say I'm leaving, I need a break because I'm frustrated with these liars that are good at twisting the truth. What brings me back is not for them, but for parents who are on the fence. If I find an article or study that I find compelling, I will post it. People can do with it what they want. These few individuals aren't allowing me to have an open discussion. They think they know more than they actually do. I don't want to talk to them. Seat belt legislation cannot compare to forced vaccination, no matter how hard they're trying to make it appear analogous.
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The same old MO that anyone with half a brain can see. Your mention of her homebirth advocacy is a non sequitur and has nothing to do with the safety of the Hep B shot given to all infants right out of the womb. You can't even stick to the subject.
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Please stop posting links to them, then.
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The same old MO that anyone with half a brain can see. Your mention of her homebirth advocacy is a non sequitur and has nothing to do with the safety of the Hep B shot given to all infants right out of the womb. You can't even stick to the subject.
The point is that home birth is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than any vaccine side effect.

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I agree with Peacegirl, Hep B is a moral disease and only occurs to those with low morals, let those sinners suffer we say!
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At the time I say I'm leaving, I need a break because I'm frustrated with these liars that are good at twisting the truth. What brings me back is not for them, but for parents who are on the fence. If I find an article or study that I find compelling, I will post it. People can do with it what they want. These few individuals aren't allowing me to have an open discussion. They think they know more than they actually do. I don't want to talk to them. Seat belt legislation cannot compare to forced vaccination, no matter how hard they're trying to make it appear analogous.
peacegirl, there is no analogy: the safety and efficacy of vaccination as as a public health tool is supported by voluminous evidence that is beyond reasonable dispute. This is why more mothers vaccinate their children for MMR than people use death belts.

On the other hand, there has never been a single placebo-controlled clinical trial to evaluate death belts! The big death belt manufacturers do not even have to disclose the risks of death belts to enable mothers like me to CHOOSE whether or not to bind up MY CHILD in a death belt. peacegirl, why shouldn't death belt manufacturers have to give mothers like me information about the risks of death belts so that we can CHOOSE? peacegirl, there are many risks with death belts that there must be options! What about the correlation between death belt usage and rates of autism and diabetes, peacegirl? What about the evidence from Oman that shows that when you let mothers CHOOSE whether or not to bind their children in death belts, autism rates are much lower? What about the evidence from New Hampshire that not legislating death belts makes driving safer and reduces the risk of diabetes? peacegirl, how do you answer all of that evidence?
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Please stop posting links to them, then.
What the {%{> are you talking about? I'm not posting links to them. :crazy:
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At the time I say I'm leaving, I need a break because I'm frustrated with these liars that are good at twisting the truth. What brings me back is not for them, but for parents who are on the fence. If I find an article or study that I find compelling, I will post it. People can do with it what they want. These few individuals aren't allowing me to have an open discussion. They think they know more than they actually do. I don't want to talk to them. Seat belt legislation cannot compare to forced vaccination, no matter how hard they're trying to make it appear analogous.
peacegirl, there is no analogy: the safety and efficacy of vaccination as as a public health tool is supported by voluminous evidence that is beyond reasonable dispute. This is why more mothers vaccinate their children for MMR than people use death belts.

On the other hand, there has never been a single placebo-controlled clinical trial to evaluate death belts! The big death belt manufacturers do not even have to disclose the risks of death belts to enable mothers like me to CHOOSE whether or not to bind up MY CHILD in a death belt. peacegirl, why shouldn't death belt manufacturers have to give mothers like me information about the risks of death belts so that we can CHOOSE? peacegirl, there are many risks with death belts that there must be options! What about the correlation between death belt usage and rates of autism and diabetes, peacegirl? What about the evidence from Oman that shows that when you let mothers CHOOSE whether or not to bind their children in death belts, autism rates are much lower? What about the evidence from New Hampshire that not legislating death belts makes driving safer and reduces the risk of diabetes? peacegirl, how do you answer all of that evidence?
I'm not responding to your posts anymore. They're a joke!
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The same old MO that anyone with half a brain can see. Your mention of her homebirth advocacy is a non sequitur and has nothing to do with the safety of the Hep B shot given to all infants right out of the womb. You can't even stick to the subject.
The point is that home birth is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than any vaccine side effect.

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We're talking only about vaccines But. Stop creating a red herring to get off topic.
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Deathbelt advocate refuses to talk about deathbelts!
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:lol: Ok, peacegirl - if you say so. You are obviously lying, but you have that right of way.

In view of peacegirl's statement that she is "not responding" to my posts any more, I am compelled of my own free will to continue being the True Steward of the Authentic Text and posting important information about the growing consensus that the use of death belts is correlated with autism and diabetes prevalence.
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