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Old 12-10-2018, 09:00 PM
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Now I wonder who exactly started the claim that it's really climate scientists that are in this for the money.

Related, my current youtube ad pet peeve is one with happy little dancing hydrogren and a bunch of bullshit lies about using hydrogren by the oil companies.
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Russia islands emergency over polar bear 'invasion' - BBC News

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Authorities in the Novaya Zemlya islands, home to a few thousand people, said there were cases of bears attacking people and entering residential and public buildings.

Polar bears are affected by climate change and are increasingly forced on to land to look for food.

Russia classes them as endangered.

Hunting the bears is banned, and the federal environment agency has refused to issue licences to shoot them.

The bears had lost their fear of police patrols and signals used to warn them off, meaning that more drastic measures were needed, officials said.
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The guy who predicted the '40's to '70's cooling was over due to the increase of ghg has died. Wallace Broecker. He wrote this in 1975. There were some researchers in the '70's who felt that global cooling was in store, although I don't think it was the dominant view.

https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu//files...lwarming75.pdf

His article starts on p. 189. It's held up pretty well, I think.
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I knew it. So hot at night you basically have to run the AC to sleep. Feedback Loopapalooza.

Office of the New Jersey State Climatologist

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The average statewide July temperature was 77.9°. This is 3.3° above the 1981–2010 mean and ranks as the 5th warmest since 1895. Eleven of the 20 warmest Julys have occurred since 2002 (Table 1). Southern NJ averaged 78.9° which is 3.2° above normal and ranks 6th warmest. The north averaged 76.4°, some 3.6° above normal and 4th warmest (tied with 2013). The excessive humidity throughout most of the month led to nighttime temperatures ranked as the 2nd warmest on record statewide (67.4°; tied with 2011), as a moist atmosphere inhibits the loss of the previous day’s heat during the overnight period.
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This is Naomi Klein with The Intercept, and she's at her trenchant and compelling best:

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"a temper tantrum at the suggestion that there are lmits to what we can consume" :nod:

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Greta Thunberg turns tables on Trump and quotes his mockery in new Twitter bio | Environment | The Guardian

“A very happy young girl looking forward to a bright and wonderful future.”

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Report: Self-entitled Generation Z wants to live past the age of 40 - The Beaverton
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I'm relieved. I'm taking the current sentiment of the youth as more than a passing mood. They understand the situation and know, more or less, what they need to accomplish. As a practical matter, the urge to have rounds of unresolved argument with internet deniers is gone. The youngs get it. The deniers have finally lost traction.

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Reading this—A Climate Modeller Spills the Beans – Quadrant Online—has pissed me off not a little.

I can't find anyone online responding to Mototaka Nakamura's line of denialism. I've done my best to counter it, but the usual go-to-rebuttal of "this is not a climate scientist, they're out of their field, the climate scientists are all in agreement here" won't work, because he appears to be a bona fide and well-qualified climate scientist.

There are obvious bullshit warning markers. (Not least is that his book of denial is not available in English. He wrote it in Japanese? He lives and works and publishes scientific papers in the US, so why did he not write it in English?)

But all in all, he is rather a gift to the trillion dollar denial lobby.

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I don't have much time to look into it right now, but the arguments presented - temperature data fudged, models too simple with tuned parameters - are not new, so you might be able to find rebuttals.

Interestingly it looks like climate deniers were citing this same fellow as predicting northern hemisphere temperatures would cool from 2015 (I suspect that to be a misinterpretation of Nakamura). Time for warmist hari-kiri? Japanese researcher predicts cooler climate in Northern Hemisphere from 2015 – JunkScience.com
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Thanks fragment, but that underestimates the problem I think.

For one, if Mototaka Nakamura makes an argument in 2019, it follows from his credentials that any previous rebuttals of the argument will count for little, dismissed as they are by a senior climate scientist.

And for another, if Mototaka has been a poster boy for denialists since 2015, why can I find nothing from the AGW consensus online which acknowledges him by name? That gives the impression that he is simply being ignored. That's not a good look.
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The article itself is annoying, I’m glad the guy put his image at the top so I didn’t have to guess angry old white dude, but yep, he sounds like many of the other angry old white dudes, and he can’t help but poison the well constantly on a topic I bet he only has an opinion about because Al Gore had the opposite opinion and just the mention of the name Al Gore, gets old angry conservative white guys hecks up and britches bunched. Oh and sure enough, looking at his other work there’s him yelling at Al Gore.

It’s very much a generational thing too, I very rarely see younger climate deniers really foaming about Gore, but if they lived through the Clinton administration omg the fact Gore touched Climate change is good enough for them to stick their fingers in their ears and hum. I wonder how many men would have drowned had Al Gore had done a documentary about How people can’t breath underwater.

As far as the actual scientist, I would hope there’s some detail in the book because without it his arguments seem to say he doesn’t quite understand what a model is. Of course it’s a simplistic version, that is literally what a model is, a simplified version of events, a model so complex you must recreate every particle on earth, is a bad model as well. Nakamura seems to think they’re ignoring important things but does a lot more “I’m just asking questions” than providing details. It’s a lot of “their models are shit, so much shit, utter shit” to the point where I wonder which model lead once pissed in his cereal.

I presume he’s not publishing his claims in english so as to not get laughed at by other fields. Like his claim of solar radiation. Yes of course solar radiation varies, and it does so in cycles. Here is why I say he’s pulling “I’m just asking questions” bullshit. A scientist who wants a real answer would spend the few minutes it would take to discover that solar scientists are quite aware of this and solar cycles are just that, cycles. It’s thought we’re headed into a solar minimum where the suns output has decreased and will continue to decrease for a few more decades but only slightly. Not only have we seen no correlation to warming but being a cycle, we will be coming out of that minimum and gradually head towards a maximum. So if anything making the sun a greater player as he’s suggesting, our short term predictions should be a bit better while our long term predictions oh so worse.

Instead of finding the appropriate information, or calling solar scientists wrong, he’s just asking leading questions, to allow the reader to fill them in with ‘common sense’. Here comes along Mr. Common Sense. IE an old white conservative man, who appears to be wowed by big science sounding words.
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he’s just asking leading questions, to allow the reader to fill them in with ‘common sense’. Here comes along Mr. Common Sense. IE an old white conservative man


Eta: I just ran that gauntlet with my uncle playing the common sense card and I said, "Common sense also says the Earth is flat and the sun goes around the Earth." The flow went predictably to "data can be interpreted different ways" where I invoked reliance on experts. I snarked, "You tired of experts? Britain was tired of experts and now look at them."

But it just highlights the whole propaganda war on what is reality. Gotta make that quarterly stock market target, yo.
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