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This is missing a "-jerk" and a :airquote:
It's funny to me how everyone is a jerk if they are in an alternative field. If they are all jerks and the field is without any merit, why is chiropractic now being paid by insurance companies?

Chiropractic care is included in most health insurance plans, including major medical plans, workers' compensation, Medicare, some Medicaid plans, and Blue Cross Blue Shield plans for federal employees, among others.

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That's not where the -jerk I had in mind would go, but, since you bring it up:

If vaccines are without any merit, why are vaccines being paid by insurance companies:

Beginning September 23, 2010, children 0 through 18 years that are enrolled in new group or individual private health plans will be eligible to receive vaccines recommended by the ACIP prior to September 2009 without any cost-sharing requirements when provided by an in-network provider.

Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type b
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus vaccine for females
Inactivated Poliovirus
Influenza
Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Meningococcal
Rotavirus
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This is missing a "-jerk" and a :airquote:
It's funny to me how everyone is a jerk if they are in an alternative field. If they are all jerks and the field is without any merit, why is chiropractic now being paid by insurance companies?

Chiropractic care is included in most health insurance plans, including major medical plans, workers' compensation, Medicare, some Medicaid plans, and Blue Cross Blue Shield plans for federal employees, among others.

404 - File or directory not found. Chiropractic Association
That's not where the -jerk I had in mind would go, but, since you bring it up:

If vaccines are without any merit, why are vaccines being paid by insurance companies:

Beginning September 23, 2010, children 0 through 18 years that are enrolled in new group or individual private health plans will be eligible to receive vaccines recommended by the ACIP prior to September 2009 without any cost-sharing requirements when provided by an in-network provider.

Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type b
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus vaccine for females
Inactivated Poliovirus
Influenza
Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Meningococcal
Rotavirus
Varicella


The Affordable Care Act and Immunization | HHS.gov/healthcare
Where is the surprise? Vaccines have been deemed the savior of modern medicine. Is it any surprise that insurance companies would pay for them, when they will get a piece of the rock? Come on, think!!! The major difference as far as I can see between insurance companies paying for chiropractic, is that there really is no harm. When it comes to vaccination, there is a very real risk of harm which violates the Nuremberg code.
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Where is the surprise? Vaccines have been deemed the savior of modern medicine.
It's true. Immunization has saved countless lives, especially of children, increased life expectancy around the world, revolutionized public health, and spared so much human suffering. It is an important investment in the health of children.
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Where is the surprise? Vaccines have been deemed the savior of modern medicine.
It's true. Immunization has saved countless lives, especially of children, increased life expectancy around the world, revolutionized public health, and spared so much human suffering. It is an important investment in the health of children.
Is that why the U.S. is 24th in infant mortality? Shouldn't the infant mortality be way down with all the vaccinations given, if vaccinations are our savior? Come on, reconcile this discrepancy. I'm listening.

US Ranks Behind 25 Other Countries in Infant Mortality
By Rachael Rettner, Senior Writer | September 24, 2014 02:39am ET

A newborn baby is held in a woman's arms

The U.S. infant mortality rate is more than double that of some other developed countries, according to a new report.

An important contributor to this disparity is the relatively high rate of death among babies born at full term in the United States, compared with that of other countries, the report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found.

Dr. Edward McCabe, chief medical officer of the March of Dimes, a nonprofit organization that works to prevent preterm birth, said he was surprised by this result. The findings "challenge the conventional thinking" that America's high infant mortality rate, relative to other countries, is mainly due to high rates of preterm births in the United States, McCabe said.

The report compared the U.S. infant mortality rate with that of 28 other developed countries. The CDC defines infant mortality as the death of a baby before his or her first birthday.

In 2010, there were 6.1 deaths for every 1,000 live births in the United States, which was higher than the rates of 25 other countries in the report, including Hungary, Poland, the United Kingdom and Australia.

In the top-ranked countries, Finland and Japan, the infant mortality rate was 2.3 deaths per 1,000 live births — less than half the rate in the United States. [7 Facts About Home Births]

Despite improvements in the U.S. infant mortality rate since 2005, "This pattern of high infant mortality rates in the United States when compared with other developed countries has persisted for many years," the researchers at the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics wrote in the report.

In a second analysis, the researchers parsed out the infant mortality rates according to babies' gestational age (meaning how long the baby was in the womb before birth), for the United States and 11 other European countries that had this information.

The U.S. mortality rate for infants born very early, between 24 and 27 weeks of gestation, was favorable compared with the other countries — the U.S. ranked 5th out of the 12 countries. (The researchers excluded babies born before 24 weeks of pregnancy, because not all of the countries had information about this group.)

In contrast, the U.S. infant mortality rate for babies born at 37 weeks or later (considered "full term") was actually the highest among the 12 countries, and about twice the rates in Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland.

The reasons for the findings are not known, but the new report brings attention to the problem, McCabe said.

"People are going to want to try to get to the bottom of it and understand it better," so that action can be taken to further reduce infant mortality, McCabe said.

An earlier analysis by the March of Dimes found that most deaths among babies born at full term were due to birth defects, sudden infant death syndrome and accidents (such as accidental drowning).

If the United States could reduce its infant mortality rate for full-term babies to match that of Sweden, the overall U.S. infant mortality rate would decline by 24 percent, to 3.2 deaths per 1,000 live births, the report said. This would mean there would be nearly 4,100 fewer infant deaths yearly.

US Ranks Behind 25 Other Countries in Infant Mortality

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The major difference as far as I can see between insurance companies paying for chiropractic, is that there really is no harm.
Unless you die or get paralyzed, I guess.

How safe are the vigorous neck manipulations done by chiropractors? - The Washington Post
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The chiropractor had just worked on Lynne Beliveau’s neck when she became dizzy, unable to see or move. Rushed to the hospital, Beliveau had a shunt inserted to relieve pressure caused by swelling in her brain. The Ashburn woman suffered a series of strokes and today, eight years later, the 41-year-old mother of three suffers from constant vertigo.

Elizabeth Haran Caplan knew she was in trouble seconds after a chiropractor in Oklahoma City manipulated her neck. The room got dark and she felt dizzy. Because of her years of service as a combat medic in Kosovo and Somalia, she knew what was happening and yelled, “Stop. I’m having a stroke.” More than a decade later, she is blind in her left eye and has problems swallowing without choking due to paralysis of one side of her throat.
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In early September 2007, Sandra Nette was left in so-called “locked in syndrome,” meaning she was so severely disabled that she was unable to walk and barely able to speak or swallow. Tests appeared to show tears in the arteries at the back of her neck.

Nette and her husband, David, told CTV News she suffered the injuries after a neck adjustment by chiropractor Gregory John Stiles, from whom she had received treatment for years.
Medicolegal corner: Quadriplegia following chiropractic manipulation

Deaths after chiropractic: a review of published cases.

But hey, the insurance companies paying for it, so it must be good.
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They are damaged already with Dravets, they are destined for the same outcome. Vaccine is not causal in those cases
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Infant mortality rate in the US is worse because of inadequate and inconsistent prenatal care amongst the uninsured and underinsured.
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I am on board with this!

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Since June 2007, there have been more than 9,000 preventable deaths and 149,900 preventable illnesses due to non-vaccination. And how many autism diagnoses scientifially linked to vaccinations? ZERO.

Nine thousand people didn't have to die
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If your child needed surgery to repair a compound fracture of their femur and the surgical team told you there was about a 1% risk of dying during the surgery, should you play Russian Roulette with your child's life?
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The major difference as far as I can see between insurance companies paying for chiropractic, is that there really is no harm.
Unless you die or get paralyzed, I guess.

How safe are the vigorous neck manipulations done by chiropractors? - The Washington Post
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The chiropractor had just worked on Lynne Beliveau’s neck when she became dizzy, unable to see or move. Rushed to the hospital, Beliveau had a shunt inserted to relieve pressure caused by swelling in her brain. The Ashburn woman suffered a series of strokes and today, eight years later, the 41-year-old mother of three suffers from constant vertigo.

Elizabeth Haran Caplan knew she was in trouble seconds after a chiropractor in Oklahoma City manipulated her neck. The room got dark and she felt dizzy. Because of her years of service as a combat medic in Kosovo and Somalia, she knew what was happening and yelled, “Stop. I’m having a stroke.” More than a decade later, she is blind in her left eye and has problems swallowing without choking due to paralysis of one side of her throat.
Chiropractor forged patient's consent | CTV News
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In early September 2007, Sandra Nette was left in so-called “locked in syndrome,” meaning she was so severely disabled that she was unable to walk and barely able to speak or swallow. Tests appeared to show tears in the arteries at the back of her neck.

Nette and her husband, David, told CTV News she suffered the injuries after a neck adjustment by chiropractor Gregory John Stiles, from whom she had received treatment for years.
Medicolegal corner: Quadriplegia following chiropractic manipulation

Deaths after chiropractic: a review of published cases.

But hey, the insurance companies paying for it, so it must be good.
I'm not denying that chiropractic manipulation can cause injury if done improperly. This has nothing to do with the idea that chiropractors are all charlatans with nothing to contribute to the discussion on vaccination.
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If the United States could reduce its infant mortality rate for full-term babies to match that of Sweden, the overall U.S. infant mortality rate would decline by 24 percent, to 3.2 deaths per 1,000 live births, the report said. This would mean there would be nearly 4,100 fewer infant deaths yearly.
I am on board with this!

What Sweden can teach America about measles vaccinations | Public Radio International
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In some areas of California, 13 percent of young children haven't been immunized. Compare that with a place like Sweden, where vaccination coverage is estimated to include all but 5 percent of the entire population.
And chiropractors kill!!!!1!1
Worldwide vaccine schedules, autism rates, and under 5 mortality rates have not been previously compared. The United States has the highest number of mandated vaccines of any country in the world, the highest prevalence of autism in the world, and places 34th for under 5 mortality. This study appears to lend credibility to the theory that the U.S. vaccine schedule is linked to the U.S. epidemic of autism, particularly when compared to the published autism rates of other countries. Urgent
additional study is required.

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-a...al_report1.pdf
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Since June 2007, there have been more than 9,000 preventable deaths and 149,900 preventable illnesses due to non-vaccination. And how many autism diagnoses scientifially linked to vaccinations? ZERO.

Nine thousand people didn't have to die
There are hundreds of papers linking autism to vaccines. It's not just thimerosal that is being looked into. They are finding a link between vaccines that were made from fetal cell contamination. Whatever the cause, there are too many "coincidences" for there not to be a connection.
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Russian Roulette is a one in six chance of blowing your brains out. The risk is not at all comparable. And the reward is much greater.
You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to force your opinion on me.
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Since June 2007, there have been more than 9,000 preventable deaths and 149,900 preventable illnesses due to non-vaccination. And how many autism diagnoses scientifially linked to vaccinations? ZERO.

Nine thousand people didn't have to die
There are hundreds of papers linking autism to vaccines. It's not just thimerosal that is being looked into. They are finding a link between vaccines that were made from fetal cell contamination. Whatever the cause, there are too many "coincidences" for there not to be a connection.
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I have to note that the explosive increase in the number of chiropractic "doctors" in the United States corresponds directly with the increase in autism prevalence in the United States:
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They note the explosive per capita growth of chiropractic doctors from six per 10,000 population in 1970 to 19.2 per 100,000 in 1994 [. . .] Based on current and projected enrollments in chiropractic institutions and other factors, the trend predicts there will be 33.2 chiropractors per 100,000 population by the year 2010. In fact, the actual number of chiropractors will double.
With so many chiropractors, why is the U.S. number 24 in infant mortality?
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AUTISM PREVALENCE in the United States has soared. In 1970, Treffert et. al. published the first known autism prevalence study in the United States, Epidemiology of Infantile Autism, with an autism prevalence rate of less than 1 per 10,000. In 1987, Burd et. al. published a study, A prevalence study of pervasive developmental disorders in North Dakota, showing an autism rate of 3.3 per 10,000. In 2007, the Centers for Disease Control’s Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring Network released data showing that prevalence of autism had grown to 66 per 10,000 or 1 in 150, an increase of more than 6,000% from the 1970 study.
It's also interesting to note that rates of autism and infant mortality in places like Iceland are much lower than in the United States, and that the number of chiropractors in Iceland is also much, much lower than in the United States:
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This appears to lend credibility to the theory that the practice of chiropractic "medicine" is linked to the U.S. epidemic of autism, particularly when compared to the published autism rates of other countries. Urgent additional study is required.

peacegirl, I think you need to due your due diligence on chiropractors, because right now you are playing Russian Roulette with your children's lives.
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If the United States could reduce its infant mortality rate for full-term babies to match that of Sweden, the overall U.S. infant mortality rate would decline by 24 percent, to 3.2 deaths per 1,000 live births, the report said. This would mean there would be nearly 4,100 fewer infant deaths yearly.
I am on board with this!

What Sweden can teach America about measles vaccinations | Public Radio International
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In some areas of California, 13 percent of young children haven't been immunized. Compare that with a place like Sweden, where vaccination coverage is estimated to include all but 5 percent of the entire population.
And chiropractors kill!!!!1!1
Worldwide vaccine schedules, autism rates, and under 5 mortality rates have not been previously compared. The United States has the highest number of mandated vaccines of any country in the world, the highest prevalence of autism in the world, and places 34th for under 5 mortality. This study appears to lend credibility to the theory that the U.S. vaccine schedule is linked to the U.S. epidemic of autism, particularly when compared to the published autism rates of other countries. Urgent
additional study is required.

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-a...al_report1.pdf
This isn't peer-reviewed, it comes from a nutcase organization, and it's completely idiotic. It doesn't even attempt to show a real correlation.
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If your child needed surgery to repair a compound fracture of their femur and the surgical team told you there was about a 1% risk of dying during the surgery, should you play Russian Roulette with your child's life?
You cannot compare the need for emergency surgery to the need for vaccines. Vaccines are not an emergency. They pose an unnecessary risk to children who may never be exposed to the diseases they were intended to prevent with the very real possibility that with so many vaccines given in so short a time, children could develop a chronic immune deficiency, a neurological deficit, or worse. These are illnesses that are on the rise, and you cannot just say it's all coincidence. These chronic conditions are not seen in the unvaccinated population. That should be a reason for concern.

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If the United States could reduce its infant mortality rate for full-term babies to match that of Sweden, the overall U.S. infant mortality rate would decline by 24 percent, to 3.2 deaths per 1,000 live births, the report said. This would mean there would be nearly 4,100 fewer infant deaths yearly.
I am on board with this!

What Sweden can teach America about measles vaccinations | Public Radio International
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In some areas of California, 13 percent of young children haven't been immunized. Compare that with a place like Sweden, where vaccination coverage is estimated to include all but 5 percent of the entire population.
And chiropractors kill!!!!1!1
Worldwide vaccine schedules, autism rates, and under 5 mortality rates have not been previously compared. The United States has the highest number of mandated vaccines of any country in the world, the highest prevalence of autism in the world, and places 34th for under 5 mortality. This study appears to lend credibility to the theory that the U.S. vaccine schedule is linked to the U.S. epidemic of autism, particularly when compared to the published autism rates of other countries. Urgent
additional study is required.

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This isn't peer-reviewed, it comes from a nutcase organization, and it's completely idiotic. It doesn't even attempt to show a real correlation.
You cannot keep using the same old mantra that everybody is a nutcase who doesn't agree with you. Half the world is a nutcase then. Too many people are coming forward from different walks of life who are seeing the light of day. You won't be able to label these researchers, parents, pediatricians, immunologists, toxicologists, biologists, neurologists, etc. this way anymore, and get away with it.
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You cannot keep using the same old mantra that everybody is a nutcase who doesn't agree with you. Half the world is a nutcase then. Too many people are coming forward from different walks of life. You won't be able to label them this way anymore, and get away with it.
I know! And yet, the mainstream media continues to refuse to investigate the link between chiropractic "medicine" and autism! It is inexplicable.
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Since June 2007, there have been more than 9,000 preventable deaths and 149,900 preventable illnesses due to non-vaccination. And how many autism diagnoses scientifially linked to vaccinations? ZERO.

Nine thousand people didn't have to die
There are hundreds of papers linking autism to vaccines. It's not just thimerosal that is being looked into. They are finding a link between vaccines that were made from fetal cell contamination. Whatever the cause, there are too many "coincidences" for there not to be a connection.
You are wrong.
Dr. Deisher testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism

Dr. Deisher testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism (1 of 4). - YouTube



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This is science. This is not voo doo.

86 Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link
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