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How can you know what is nonsense when you grab a line to make fun of and make this your platform.
Oh, you know, due diligence and critical analysis, mainly. Read a source (whether it's the Authentic Text, your Corrupted Text, or one of your Holocaust deniers), analyze it critically, and determine whether there is a factual basis to suggest that the claims it makes are true. Investigate whether it presents actual evidence, and whether that evidence supports the claims it advances. That kind of thing. It is a very basic skill, peacegirl. It starts with actually reading the articles you post, instead of just blindly copying and pasting them. You should start doing that.
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Anybody with the least amount of intelligence would see what you're doing. You are so busted it's not worth repeating the same responses to your crazy posts.
I certainly hope it is totally clear to everyone what I am doing, peacegirl. I think it is. That is very much the point. I haven't made any effort to conceal it, and indeed have gone to some lengths to make sure that it's completely transparent. It rather has to be - do you understand why?

It is good that you are asking these questions, peacegirl. Asking questions is an important part of doing your due diligence. I hope you have found my answers helpful.
You haven't analyzed my father's book with the kind of critical analysis that it deserves. Just because he didn't use the scientific method, you are not even interested in knowing what his observations were, and more importantly, what his reasoning was. Is that the sound of a true steward? You have tried very hard to turn this book into a mockery, but truth always wins. Your conclusion that his observations don't matter, is false but there is no convincing you to even take the first step and read the book. His claims can be tested. They are not unfalsifiable. You have not done your due diligence chuck.
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Good job no longer engaging with me, peacegirl :cheesywink:
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Good job no longer engaging with me, peacegirl :cheesywink:
Goodbye chuck. Stop reading my posts. You can't do it. You love me too much! :D
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peacegirl, why in the world would I, the True Steward of the Authentic Text, ever want to stop reading your posts?
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ChuckF is compelled of his own free will, so to speak, to read and rebut peacegirl's corruptions. That is an integral part of his calling as True Steward of the Authentic Text (indeed, the ONLY steward the Authentic Text has ever had)!
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ChuckF is compelled of his own free will, so to speak, to read and rebut peacegirl's corruptions. That is an integral part of his calling as True Steward of the Authentic Text (indeed, the ONLY steward the Authentic Text has ever had)!
Neither of you can explain the first thing about the book. Any true steward would know what he's talking about. You are both frauds. You keep talking about me taking out the excerpt on homosexuality. The reason I took it out is because of people like you trying to discredit him based on that one excerpt. The few other changes I made did nothing to alter the basic principle. All of my examples helped to clarify what was being said but it did not replace his words. I could not get my book copyrighted because there was nothing copyrightable, according to the Library of Congress. Let me repeat: None of the things I changed corrupted the book. You're making shit up. You are the ones corrupting the meaning of this work, not me.
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ChuckF is compelled of his own free will, so to speak, to read and rebut peacegirl's corruptions. That is an integral part of his calling as True Steward of the Authentic Text (indeed, the ONLY steward the Authentic Text has ever had)!
I have already explained his use of the term "free will" and why it is fine to use if it means "of my own desire". You don't remember, do you? You're making fun again due to your own ignorance. It makes me puke.
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peacegirl, your feeble defense of your Corrupted Text does not persuade. We reject your Corrupted Text, because it is Corrupt. We are compelled, of our own free wills, interpret the Authentic Text as written by the Author and published in his lifetime. I am the True Steward of the Authentic Text.

I don't know why you find this so difficult to accept, peacegirl, except perhaps that we will not reward your Corruption with the lucre you so desire. But whether you accept it or not, peacegirl, it is mathematical, scientific, and undeniable, just as 2 is to 4 as 3 is to 6.
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Trump budget calls people on disability to get back to work
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The budget will call for a $72 billion cut over 10 years to the Social Security Disability Insurance. Mulvaney said this would inspire more people to get off disability and back to work.

"If the folks who are on Social Security Disability Insurance who are not supposed to be, if they go back to work, they're paying into the system, and they're not taking out of the system," Mulvaney told reporters. "So it does make the programs healthier."
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Someone has a target on her forehead. Big Daddy Trump's coming for you, peacegirl, and it's not for Golden Age dinner table rumpy pumpy.
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I have already explained his use of the term "free will" and why it is fine to use if it means "of my own desire". You don't remember, do you?
Sure I remember. Per the Corrupted Text, there's nothing wrong with saying "I did it of my own free will" since the speaker is really saying "I did it because I wanted to," which is an accurate statement. However, the will isn't actually free since the desire to do the act in question, i.e., the "wanted to" part, was a product of the greater satisfaction principle.

Now then, did Lessans actually write anything along those lines? Who knows?! That came from the fraudulent Corrupted Text, which is fraudulent and corrupt.

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It makes me puke.
That's the shockingly excessive alcohol consumption. :yup:
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I have already explained his use of the term "free will" and why it is fine to use if it means "of my own desire". You don't remember, do you?
Sure I remember. Per the Corrupted Text, there's nothing wrong with saying "I did it of my own free will" since the speaker is really saying "I did it because I wanted to," which is an accurate statement. However, the will isn't actually free since the desire to do the act in question, i.e., the "wanted to" part, was a product of the greater satisfaction principle.
Right.

The term ‘free will’
contains an assumption or fallacy for it implies that if man is not
caused or compelled to do anything against his will, it must be
preferred of his own free will. This is one of those logical, not
mathematical conclusions. The expression, ‘I did it of my own free
will’ is perfectly correct when it is understood to mean ‘I did it because
I wanted to; nothing compelled or caused me to do it since I could
have acted otherwise had I desired.’ This expression was necessarily
misinterpreted because of the general ignorance that prevailed for
although it is correct in the sense that a person did something because
he wanted to, this in no way indicates that his will is free. In fact I
shall use the expression ‘of my own free will’ frequently myself which
only means ‘of my own desire.’ Are you beginning to see how words
have deceived everyone?

<snip>

“Can you clarify this a little bit more?”

“Certainly. In other words, no one is compelling a person to work
at a job he doesn’t like or remain in a country against his will. He
actually wants to do the very things he dislikes simply because the
alternative is considered worse and he must choose something to do
among the various things in his environment, or else commit suicide.
Was it humanly possible to make Gandhi and his followers do what
they did not want to do when unafraid of death which was judged,
according to their circumstances, the lesser of two evils? Therefore,
when any person says he was compelled to do what he did against his
will, that he didn’t want to but had to — and innumerable of our
expressions say this — he is obviously confused and unconsciously
dishonest with himself and others because everything man does to
another is done only because he wants to do it, done to be humorous,
of his own free will, which only means that his preference gave him
greater satisfaction at that moment of time, for one reason or
another.”
“His reasoning is perfect. I can’t find a flaw although I thought
I did. I think I understand now. Just because I cannot be made to do
something against my will does not mean my will is free because my
desire not to do it appeared the better reason, which gave me no free
choice since I got greater satisfaction. Nor does the expression, ‘I did
it of my own free will, nobody made me do it,’ mean that I actually
did it of my own free will — although I did it because I wanted to —
because my desire to do it appeared the better reason which gave me
no free choice since I got greater satisfaction.”
“He does understand.”
“Does this mean you are also in complete agreement so I can
proceed?”
“Yes it does.”
Then let me summarize by taking careful note of this simple
reasoning that proves conclusively (except for the implications already
referred to) that will is not free. Man has two possibilities that are
reduced to the common denominator of one. Either he does not have
a choice because none is involved, as with aging, and then it is obvious
that he is under the compulsion of living regardless of what his
particular motion at any moment might be, or he has a choice and
then is given two or more alternatives of which he is compelled by his
nature to prefer the one that appears to offer the greatest satisfaction
whether it is the lesser of two evils, the greater of two goods, or a good
over an evil. Therefore, it is absolutely impossible for will to be free
because man never has a free choice, though it must be remembered
that the words good and evil are judgments of what others think is
right and wrong, not symbols of reality.

The truth of the matter is
that the words good and evil can only have reference to what is a
benefit or a hurt to oneself. Killing someone may be good in
comparison to the evil of having that person kill me. The reason
someone commits suicide is not because he is compelled to do this
against his will, but only because the alternative of continuing to live
under certain conditions is considered worse. He was not happy to
take his own life but under the conditions he was compelled to prefer,
by his very nature, the lesser of two evils which gave him greater
satisfaction. Consequently, when he does not desire to take his own
life because he considers this the worse alternative as a solution to his
problems, he is still faced with making a decision, whatever it is, which
means that he is compelled to choose an alternative that is more
satisfying.

For example, in the morning when the alarm clock goes
off he has three possibilities; commit suicide so he never has to get up,
go back to sleep, or get up and face the day. Since suicide is out of
the question under these conditions, he is left with two alternatives.
Even though he doesn’t like his job and hates the thought of going to
work, he needs money, and since he can’t stand having creditors on
his back or being threatened with lawsuits, it is the lesser of two evils
to get up and go to work. He is not happy or satisfied to do this when
he doesn’t like his job, but he finds greater satisfaction doing one
thing than another. Dog food is good to a starving man when the
other alternatives are horse manure or death, just as the prices on a
menu may cause him to prefer eating something he likes less because
the other alternative of paying too high a price for what he likes more
is still considered worse under his particular circumstances.

The law
of self-preservation demands that he do what he believes will help him
stay alive and make his life easier, and if he is hard-pressed to get what
he needs to survive he may be willing to cheat, steal, kill and do any
number of things which he considers good for himself in comparison
to the evil of finding himself worse off if he doesn’t do these things.
All this simply proves is that man is compelled to move in the
direction of satisfaction during every moment of his existence. It does
not yet remove the implications.

The expression ‘I did it of my own
free will’ has been seriously misunderstood for although it is
impossible to do anything of one’s own free will, HE DOES
EVERYTHING BECAUSE HE WANTS TO since absolutely
nothing can make him do what he doesn’t want to. Think about this
once again. Was it humanly possible to make Gandhi and his
followers do what they did not want to do when unafraid of death
which was judged, according to their circumstances, the lesser of two
evils? In their eyes, death was the better choice if the alternative was
to lose their freedom.

Many people are confused over this one point.
Just because no one on this earth can make you do anything against
your will does not mean your will is free. Gandhi wanted freedom for
his people and it was against his will to stop his nonviolent movement
even though he constantly faced the possibility of death, but this
doesn’t mean his will was free; it just means that it gave him greater
satisfaction to face death than to forego his fight for freedom.
Consequently, when any person says he was compelled to do what he
did against his will, that he really didn’t want to but had to because he
was being tortured, he is obviously confused and unconsciously
dishonest with himself and others because he could die before being
forced to do something against his will.

What he actually means was
that he didn’t like being tortured because the pain was unbearable so
rather than continue suffering this way he preferred, as the lesser of
two evils, to tell his captors what they wanted to know, but he did this
because he wanted to not because some external force made him do
this against his will. If by talking he would know that someone he
loved would be instantly killed, pain and death might have been judged
the lesser of two evils. This is an extremely crucial point because
though it is true that will is not free, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
ON THIS EARTH CAN MAKE MAN DO ANYTHING
AGAINST HIS WILL. He might not like what he did — but he
wanted to do it because the alternative gave him no free or better
choice. It is extremely important that you clear this up in your mind
before proceeding.



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Heartburn drugs linked to kidney damage in 50 percent of patients with no warning signs
Posted by: Lori Alton, staff writer, May 25, 2017

Heartburn drugs like, Prevacid, Nexium and Prilosec are being consumed by up to 50 percent of all Americans suffering from acid reflux – and with big pharma pushing these ‘remedies’ – it’s no wonder why these medications have become household names.
Currently, over 15 million Americans have prescriptions for these proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) – which are intended to ease symptoms of reflux and heartburn by relieving gastric acid – with millions more purchasing these medications over the counter. But disturbing new studies link prolonged use of these familiar remedies with kidney damage – which can develop seemingly “out of the blue,” with no warning signs or symptoms.

Major warning about heartburn drugs: The problems can develop “silently”

cont. at: Heartburn drugs linked to kidney damage | NaturalHealth365
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