Feelings

[ZEZOZE]

ok. maybe i jumped to a conclusion i wanted in regard to what Bob is saying rather than see what he is really saying.

are you saying that if people get a heart transplant or something similar that it changes the person?

because it does. my sister is a very sick person and has had a pig's valve. she's had artificial ones, too. it changed her in that it must have terrified her to go through such an ordeal. that would change anybody.

but if you're saying that by getting this procedure she suddenly had pig feelings or no feeling like a robot, i'd have to say you were wrong. she changed after these ordeals, but all within the fabric of who she ever was.

i was imagining you were saying the heart is like a receiver of emotion.

i could go for that. doesn't hurt me to believe that, so long as i believe it pumps blood through my body, too.

[lisarea]

You have the coddled white guy disability, where you seem to think that every silly idea that pops into your head is some kind of great shining truth, so instead of examining, researching, or even questioning those ideas, you spend all your time and energy defending them, no matter how ridiculous they are.

My guess is that you stopped paying attention to anyone else sometime around the 70s at the latest, based on your dumb old theories about gender.

[davidm]

Yabbut, the heart is not a receiver of emotion. It's a pump.

But romanticism is fine. I'm all for characterizing the heart as the receptor and source of emotions in a fictional, mythical sense. But if you try to say this is literally true, it's just ridiculous.

[ZEZOZE]

i wouldn't say it's literally true.

at least not until somebody more literate tells me it is

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by davidm

Let me guess. Bob doesn't have an answer to that one.

David is correct, I don't have an answer to that. I can only say that feelings are personal and one person never understands another person's true feelings unless that person puts the feelings into words and there is faith and belief in them.

[davidm]

Yeah, well that's nice, Bob, but the fact is that all these thoughts and feeling and emotions and whatnot come from the brain, not the heart. The heart pumps blood. That's what it does. It doesn't fall in love for you.

If you think that it does literally fall in love for you, no one is going to waste time reading your book.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by davidm

Yeah, well that's nice, Bob, but the fact is that all these thoughts and feeling and emotions and whatnot come from the brain, not the heart. The heart pumps blood. That's what it does. It doesn't fall in love for you.

If you think that it does literally fall in love for you, no one is going to waste time reading your book.

The brain is just a bunch of nerves that reacts to stimuli either sympathetically or autonomously.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

I'm not in love with the feeling that I am a fool but as far as the feeling of love is concerned do you think that comes from the brain? Do you think this because of your life's experience or because you read it somewhere?

Are you serious? All emotions come from the brain.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Are you serious? All emotions come from the brain.

You may be correct as I do not know too much about emotions. I have never been emotional or associated with people who are emotional. I dislike emotional people. I'm talking about feelings which come from the heart.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

Did you ever hear the phrase "Know by Heart."

Did you ever hear of the phrase, "Shit for brains"?

[livius drusus]

Emotions and feelings are different things, are they? Please explain the difference between the two.

[LadyShea]

Feelings is just another word for emotions. You must be a troll.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

Did you ever hear of the phrase, "Shit for brains"?

Yeah it is only used in a derogatory sense when criticizing others

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

Yeah it is only used in a derogatory sense when criticizing others

Be that as it may, it is just a phrase, and if you take phrases like this literally, then you might as well have shit for brains for all the good your brain is doing you.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

Emotions and feelings are different things, are they? Please explain the difference between the two.

I cannot explain it except to say that feelings develop over a period of time and emotions, I believe, are reactions to immediate stimuli like fear and anger.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

Also please tell me calmly in your own words and don't refer me to a link I have to read.

Study after study after study has established, quite conclusively, that what are commonly referred to as "feelings" originate in the brain.

The preceding sentence was my calm, in-my-own-words description. I'd gladly post links to some of the referenced studies, but that would violate your instructions.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Study after study after study has established, quite conclusively, that what are commonly referred to as "feelings" originate in the brain.

The preceding sentence was my calm, in-my-own-words description. I'd gladly post links to some of the referenced studies, but that would violate your instructions.

Do you know that feelings come from the brain from your everyday life's experience or just from reading somebody else's study after study after study.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Feelings is just another word for emotions.

And freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Nothin', and that's all that Bobby left me.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

Do you know that feelings come from the brain from your everyday life's experience...

Yes. It's pretty obvious.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

I don't have an answer for you.

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

I don't know the answer to that.

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

I don't have an answer to that.

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

David is correct, I don't have an answer to that.

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

I cannot explain it

Ayup, that pretty much sums things up.

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

The brain is just a bunch of nerves that reacts to stimuli either sympathetically or autonomously.

The heart is just an innervated muscle that does only what the central nervous system tells it to do, namely pump blood.

Pontification is fun isn't it?

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Ayup, that pretty much sums things up.

The heart is just an innervated muscle that does only what the central nervous system tells it to do, namely pump blood.

Pontification is fun isn't it?

people with nerve damage still have their feelings intact.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by bobsavegan

people with nerve damage still have their feelings intact.

People with artificial hearts also have their feelings intact.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

People with artificial hearts also have their feelings intact.

In your life's experience have you known a person with an artificial heart who has told you that they have warm feelings for another person

[JoeP]

I have examined my personal experience and my internal response to it and I can assert that this thread is surreal.

[bobsavegan]

Originally Posted by JoeP

I have examined my personal experience and my internal response to it and I can assert that this thread is surreal.

I am happy to read about what you did but why did you arrive at that specific conclusion and what do you mean that the thread is surreal? Surrealism is not part of my own experiences so I have difficulty understanding it.