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In the interest of spending more time outside, getting and staying fit and just generally adding to my short list of hobbies, I've decided to start cycling. One of my (soon to be ex-) co-workers is really into it, as are many others in Austin. There's always some kind of biking event going on around here, including marathons and charity rides, etc. I already know it can be an expensive hobby, but I think it'll be worth it.

I know you're a big fan of cycling, Clutch, so I look forward to your input.

Anyone else?
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I used to cycle a lot, though I've never entered any official events. I'm getting back into the saddle this year - one of my resolutions for this year is to do a hundred miles on at least one day.
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Excellent! Feel free to use this thread to talk about your equipment*, experiences, etc.


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It needn't be an expensive hobby, unless you want it to be, or you want to engage in top-level racing. You can pick up some excellent second-hand bikes at very reasonable prices.

The bike I use most at the moment is a cheap-ish mountain bike that I've fitted with road tyres. I like the upright riding position for gentle touring and admiring the views over the hedges. I have a 'racing bike' too, but it's about twenty years old now. It has Campag gear - all probably obsolete now.

If I do manage to get back into cycling properly, I might treat myself to a new touring bike - something that I'd be proud to take on a fortnight's touring holiday. I don't need such a bike though - if money were tight, I'd just get some cheap luggage to bolt onto my mountain bike.
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Well, I'm not really a cyclist. I'm just a guy who likes to ride his bike a lot.

Which is maybe a way of saying that it's important to find people who ride the way you want to, rather than trying to adapt your riding to a group.
I've found there's a good bit of snobbery and provincialism among cyclists, with each kind of rider thinking the others are missing the point. Hopefully you won't encounter anything like that. But just in case, I'd advise you to keep reminding yourself that any way you like to ride is a good way to ride. Stopping every 2 km to have a coffee and croissant? Excellent. Head down, flat out, 100 km straight, peeing off the saddle? Go for it. And anything in between.

Do you have a bike already?
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A friend of ours works at a bike shop, and he forewarned us of the BIG spring sale. My wife's bike got stolen before I met her, and mine was built practically in the Paleolithic as these things go, so we got new bikes last weekend--she got a Trek and I git a new Globe. Hybrids--we plan to do some bike paths around here with the kids, as the youngest are about to start taking off their training wheels this summer. Several good bike paths around here--many of the old 19th century single rail tracks have been converted to bike paths. We live about a mile from the Washington Secondary--we could ride all the way up to Providence.

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Do you have a bike already?
I do, but it's a clunky mountain bike. I think I'd like to get a decent lightweight touring bike - hopefully in the $500 US or less range.
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You can probably do it for $500 if you go used. But if you want new, and can talk yourself into spend a few hundred more, both the Fuji Touring and the Jamis Aurora look like brilliant over-performers in the $800s range.

I've test-ridden the Jamis, and it's great. (I went with a Devinci Destination, which is probably a slightly less capable tourer than the Jamis, but a bit more all-terrain -- and is Canadian.) The Aurora and the Touring are both cromoly steel frames (the Aurora's is particularly top-notch). This may seem a bit of a throwback in these days of aluminum, titanium and carbon fibre frames, but steel is still the shit when it comes to mixing strength and comfort. It is springy enough to dissipate some of the nad-bruising effect when the road gets rough, but probably won't flex enough to waste your energy when you stand up and pedal hard.

Anyhow, I'll be curious to see what you end up with.
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I don't have the nerve to ride around in city traffic anymore. I have a nice racing bike, which I paid around $800 for in 1980. Its tires are about 1/2" wide and it weighs about 19 pounds. I used to be a cycling maniac; I didn't even get my driver's license until I was about 25, when I absolutely had to. Before that, I rode everywhere.

If I was buying a bike today, I'd get a Trek because it's a Wisconsin company, and I've ridden a few of their road bikes, and they're really, really nice (although what I'd be looking at would be around 1100 bucks probably).

With bicycles, the more you pay, the less you get, in terms of weight and extraneous crap. Definitely spend the extra dough if you have it. Five hundred bucks won't get you much, but an extra 300 will get you a hell of a lot more.
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I LOVE cycling, even though I am not very fast (12-15 mph). I started out with a mountain bike that was not in particularly good shape, fat tires and all--and that worked fine for starting out (if you are a glutton for punishment, like I am). If you start out with your mountain bike, you will truly appreciate your new bike.

Right now, I have a Bianchi Brava that was about $770 new. It is a steel frame with a carbon fork in the front, iirc. I love this bike, and wouldn't ride anything beside it now. Used can be a really good deal if the bike fits you--my dad was given a Cannondale that needed overhauling and so ended up with a superfast amazing bike for something like $80 (the cost to put new cables on the bike and tune it up a little).

If you're just starting out, a hybrid might be a good choice--you can get a new one for under $400. It will be faster than the mountain bike but heavier than a road/touring bike. That can make it discouraging if you are trying to keep up with people on road/touring bikes, but it is less intimidating than those bikes to ride IMO. Of course, then you might end up with a hybrid and a road bike. Ha.

I mostly ride with my parents back home on our rural roads or at recreational/charity events.

All you really need to get started with the bike you have is a helmet, a good pair of bike shorts, some sunglasses, and bike gloves (one experience of using my hands to prevent my face from sliding down the asphalt and I won't ride without them). If you decide that you like what you're doing, then you'll probably want a new bike.

Well, technically all you need to get started is a helmet. I did my first real ride (26 miles) without gloves or padded shorts and had a great time. For sunglasses, I wear safety sunglasses that my dad uses for work--you can get them at Walmart etc for $3, and you don't have to worry about them.

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Oh, and raise your right hand if you've ever ridden into the back of a parked car.
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Cool, thanks for all the input.

I just got back from a bike shop, and given what I saw there and what you guys are saying I think spending $600-$800 is probably a more realistic expectation. It'll take me a couple weeks longer to save up the money, but I think it'll be worth it. I'll take my mountain bike out a few times between now and then to get warmed up, and so I know what I'm leaving behind when I buy a new one!
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Listen to the dancing monkey!

This is very, very important. Don't cheap out on the bike shorts, or be embarrassed to wear them. ("Smuggling grapes?" asked a guy on my hockey team.)

Get a pair with a genuine chammy insert -- not a loose chunk of foam floating around inside. It is impossible to overemphasize the huge difference this can make to your enjoyment of cycling. If there are any activities that become more fun once your scrotum is raw and bleeding, be assured that cycling is not among them.

Oh, and I'd advise a road bike with a slightly relaxed geometry/riding position -- like pretty much any touring bike will have -- instead of a hybrid. Wildy's right that some folks feel intimidated by the road handlebars (I was), but remember: the tops of road bars can be used just like flat bars, while the "hoods" (the grips where the brake levers stick out) and the "drops" (the bottom parts down near the ends of the bars) provide different grip positions and different amounts of back-stretch when you start to get some aches in your back and numb spots on your hands. So multi-positional bars are really, really useful, for reasons that will be very obvious after you've been riding for thirty minutes (or for six hours!) but won't even occur to you when you take the bike for a spin around the parking lot of the bike shop.
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One time only, when I'd first started regularly commuting. I turned a corner on a residential street "at speed", and found someone parked right there. Fortunately I was able to grab the brakes just before I hit, and slowed down enough that I didn't re-geometrize the front rim -- though I did a pretty spectacular frontal dismount onto the trunk of the car.
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Good points, Clutch.

Yes, you need some good cycling shorts. More than one pair if you're doing a lot of riding, so you always have a clean pair available.

What are you guys using for shoes and clips? My racer still has the old sort with leather straps. I wonder about the modern alternatives, but I want something I can walk about in when I get off the bike.
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Toe clips are essential, not too tight, not too loose. I always wanted a pair of actual cycling shoes, but never got around to getting any (they're expensive). Anything with a good firm sole works. Most sneakers don't. I had a couple of pairs of ... not exactly dress shoes, but very simple, flat shoes with plastic soles. They were lime green with translucent soles, and awesome. I miss them. Also you need a nice, compact backpack, nylon, very light. For carrying your wallet and your smokes.

I admit to one spectacular header into a parked car. Also, I've had a few close calls. Watch out when it starts to rain. Drivers turn into instant morons. I was flying down King St. in Hamilton one time, and a guy opened his driver's side door right in front of me. I swerved to the left instinctively and just about went under the wheels of a bus.

Speaking of buses this one time I had just bought a brand new pump. Again, I was flying down King St., and a heard *clink* *clink* ... my new pump had fallen off the frame of my bike. I looked behind me to see a city bus flattening it.

One thing about riding in the city. Jocelyn Lovell was an Olympic cyclist from Canada, and he was killed riding in Toronto. So if an Olympic cyclist can get killed in the city, so can you. Never trust drivers. They are mostly assholes, they are not paying attention to you, and they do not share your concerns.
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One of the disadvantages of owning an expensive, light bike is that you have to carry an expensive, heavy bike lock.

Quality bikes have quickly detachable wheels, which are also quickly stolen. I have a U type shackle lock. I lock the bike to something immovable like railings or a lamppost. I get the lock around the frame down tube and through the back wheel rim, and I quickly detach the front wheel and put the rim of that through the lock too.

If you're commuting regularly to work, or a friend's house or similar, you can leave an extra lock at your destination so you don't have to carry one with you.
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Or bring your bike right inside the building with you. That's what I used to do. If space is a problem, flip the wheels off and hang it somewhere.
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What are you guys using for shoes and clips? My racer still has the old sort with leather straps. I wonder about the modern alternatives, but I want something I can walk about in when I get off the bike.
I use clipless pedals. (Note to vm: strangely, "clipless" means "pedals you clip into, rather than pedals with straps", and not "plain old flat pedals". Plain old flat pedals are usually called "flat pedals" or "platforms" now.)

There are many models of cycling shoe nowadays that have a recessed cleat (the metal bit on your shoe that snaps into the clip) and deep treads; they tend to look like skateboard shoes. So you can walk around just fine without (a) falling on slippery floors, (b) making clickity-clack noises or (c) destroying the cleat. I have a pair of Adidas that I can very comfortably spend the day in, if I have to. Of course, they're not as light as road shoes, but then it's easy enough to get a set of road shoes too, if that's really important.

I like the clipless pedals a lot. (I have Shimano SPDs.) They have a bit of "float" so you can get a bit of micro-adjustment as you ride and save your knees. Unclipping very quickly becomes second nature; having done the infamous "horizontal track stand" once in front of my house, I've been fine ever since -- including in traffic.

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Pedal with clip:


Clipless pedal:


Walkin' around shoe suitable for clipless-cleat system:


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I use regular flat pedals w/out toe clips and ride in tennis shoes. Why? Because I have not had the money for shoes and clipless pedals. Also, because I am terrified to the point of anxiety attacks about having my feet stuck to anything. (My "try whitewater kayaking for a week" class was a nightmare. As in, I had anxiety attacks every night thinking about the next lesson until the thing was over. And then some more whenever I thought about it.) I wouldn't say that they are necessary, but they probably make it easier and more pleasant just like all good equipment.

Although I have a killer callous on one foot that I am willing to bet is a result of tennis shoes + long bike rides. Since it really only bothers me when I wear heels all day, it may not be much of a problem for vm. It's pedicure season, so no big deal to me most of the time.

I am thinking about buying road shoes and pedals for the tour my dad and I are doing. But I will need to do that in a few days if I want to get some practice in before our next ride at the end of April.

I have never ridden into a parked car, but that's because I don't ride in towns very often.

ETA: Also, I bought an imitation Camelbak pack at Target that has been my friend for many long days on the bike. It's cheaper than buying a trunk + rack for your bike, and you don't have to learn how to drink + ride your bike. Then you can have snacks and sunscreen and tissues and water and bandaids and fingernail files and eyedrops and your rain jacket and a camera and your cell phone and your wallet and a place to put your longsleeved shirt when it warms up and. . . all the junk you need when you are spending your day on a bike in the middle of nowhere. haha. Or you could just buy a little underseat bag for your cell phone and ID.

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I wouldn't say that they are necessary, but they probably make it easier and more pleasant just like all good equipment.
They aren't necessary by any stretch. But it's not so much that they make it more pleasant as that they change the way you ride. In a nutshell, they turn your bike from a stair-climber into... something different, and (most people find) better.

Once you can apply force to the pedals through all 360 degrees of spin, there are large advantages to be gained by pedaling in circles with both legs, all the time, rather than just pushing down on each pedal in succession. Using clips or clipless doesn't mean you'll automatically use these advantages! You do have to work at the technique a bit. I was shocked to discover the extent to which I was using each pedal's downstroke to lift my other foot back to the top, once I switched from platforms. It's almost inevitable with platforms, since you have to keep some pressure on the pedal in order for friction to hold your foot in position while it's on the upswing. (Nothing more gimpy-feeling than having your foot slide to a wrong position just as you get ready to pedal with it, right?) But it amounts to a bunch of wasted effort with one foot pushing slightly in opposition to the other.

I find that it makes the biggest difference on longer rides. On a quick commute it hardly matters, but when you start looking at doing 20,000 revolutions on a longer ride, small inefficiencies become big ones. It also means you can use more muscles in your leg, and use them all at higher frequencies and lower loads (that is, it's good for doing higher cadence in a lower gear), which is way better for endurance purposes.

Of course, as a long-time platform user who switched to clipless a couple years ago, I have all the zeal of a relatively fresh convert. But I see and hear of very few cases of people who try them and wish they hadn't.
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Haha, Clutch Munny, you are a bike evangelist. I know you speak the truth, and even using my spinning class (that does use clips, although I don't have to worry about tipping over) techniques on my platforms (thinking smooth circles) I know that it would be easier/better if I clipped in. Irrationality and expense prevent me from converting at present. Shoes + cleats + pedals!
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I've ridden into the back of a couple of cars, and the side of one (the idiot pulled out in front of me). I almost rode into the back of a bus, but I dropped the bike instead and slid underneath, coming to a stop looking up at the bus engine and gearbox.

Yes, I ought to look where I'm going. :P

vm, when you start to ride a lot, you ought to think about some stretching exercises for your calf muscles. Cycling tends to shorten them. In extreme cases where cyclists don't do the stretches, they end up finding it awkward and even painful to walk normally. I understand it's possible to get the same sort of problem by walking around in high heels all the time, but I've never tried that!

All you need to do is to flex your ankles a few times each day so that your toes point up as much as possible. Some people go to the trouble of making an angle board to stand on while they are doing the washing up or similar. It just simulates the action of standing on a slope facing uphill. As an alternative, you can incorporate these exercises into stair climbing, or even do a few ankle stretches on your bike while coasting down hills.

After a long ride (four hours or more) I like to lie flat on my back on the floor with my legs up vertical against a wall or door, and give my legs a massage. I find this leads to much faster recovery. Professional cyclists have masseurs to do this for them, but I don't :( The idea is to help dissipate the lactic acid and other waste products that build up in your muscles into your blood stream so that the muscles can start to recover more quickly than they otherwise would.
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vm, when you start to ride a lot, you ought to think about some stretching exercises for your calf muscles.
A trick: Every once in a while as you're riding, stop pedaling. Push one pedal forward, holding the crank arm maybe a bit below horizontal with that leg. Relax that ankle/calf, and then gently press backwards on the rear pedal, so the pedal on your front foot pushes your toe back and up, and stretches out your calf muscle. Hold for a few seconds, pedal for a while, then switch legs.

On a longer ride, I do this about every 10km, and find it works to keep my calves stretched and warm.
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Haha, Clutch Munny, you are a bike evangelist. I know you speak the truth, and even using my spinning class (that does use clips, although I don't have to worry about tipping over) techniques on my platforms (thinking smooth circles) I know that it would be easier/better if I clipped in. Irrationality and expense prevent me from converting at present. Shoes + cleats + pedals!
I just need a street corner to preach from, it's true.

Anyhow, I did get that it was financial for you. If you've done spin, then none of that was news! But I'm throwing this stuff out there for vm or anyone else.


ETA: You do realize your feet are strapped in to your shoes, right? ;)
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