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It's sometimes difficult to see my point of view (if you are one of those who wishes to try to see things from other people's points of view) because I am known to be someone who creates her own reality, and definitions are a part of that reality.
I can see how it would be difficult to see your point of view if you have your own definitions in your own reality. :blank:
And we have my weakness - as everyone has them. I attempt to define terms in my own way and try to get it across to other people, however, there are just those out there who don't have the capacity to open their mind enough to at least attempt an understanding. They are fixed in their beliefs, and for those, I feel sorry for they will forever be stuck on the treadmill of entropy because eventually, the law of diminishing returns is going to catch up with them and at the end of their life, the only thing they will have left is themselves and a distant hope that things will go as they were told and have believed for their entire lifetime.

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Good to hear. :yup: I don't have to worry because in my reality entropy means cookies. :cookiejar:
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Only if you are sufficiently closed minded.


or if you have milk. :milk:
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I can see how it would be difficult to see your point of view if you have your own definitions in your own reality. :blank:
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I attempt to define terms in my own way and try to get it across to other people, however, there are just those out there who don't have the capacity to open their mind enough to at least attempt an understanding. They are fixed in their beliefs...
I fail to see how making up your own idiosyncratic definitions leads to you being less "fixed in [your] beliefs" than a person who uses shared definitions. In fact, I might observe that , if the very language you speak is specifically tailored to expressing your own beliefs, the danger that those beliefs will become fixed is quite high.
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I have my majors centered around soft sciences: psychology, sociology and philosophy as are my minors: history, physics and religion.
I have to wonder what institution you're in, if you have enough time to be taking three majors with three minors. Either they require very little of you to get those majors and minors, or you do very little but study. In which case, why are you on here?

At the university I went to, just doing a degree in physics would be quite time-consuming, particularly since labs are more time-consuming than other courses. The course of study you're talking about would take something like 43 courses just for the majors and minors, which is already more than a full-load for four years (5 courses/15 credit hours a semester, over 8 semesters = 40 courses). But you're also required to take a number of general requirements (i.e. a language requirement, physical activity, composition, math, etc.), which would put you at over 50 courses necessary for such a course of study.
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I believe everything is relative - gravity included.
What exactly is that supposed to mean?

That 50 lbs weighs something else from another person's point of view?
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I think I chose the name Crumb because there were some crumbs on my desk when I registered and I was looking for a short and simple name.
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Either they require very little of you to get those majors and minors, or you do very little but study.
And she is raising/homeschooling 5 kids
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Well, she says "will be" homeschooling them.

But knowing that, I find it even harder to believe that she's majoring and minoring in so many things at a reputable institution and still has time to raise 5 kids, much less homeschool them.

Unless she's going to a bullshit online university or something like that.
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But she's 20 steps further than Gatto, surely she doesn't have her kids in the public system?
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Perhaps she has them at a charter school or a private institution?

I guess we'll have to find out.
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But she's 20 steps further than Gatto, surely she doesn't have her kids in the public system?
The public education system in America is not something to hate on. It's the people that apply it and indoctrinate our children in which we should hate on. Not all teachers are conforming to the ill suited curriculums of the public education system. I have known teachers far and wide that break that mold.

And to be honest, it's not even the teachers or the curriculum that bothers me. It's the type of socialization that my children would be subjected to should I allo them to attend public schools. I don't agree with the type of socialization that goes on in most public schools these days and that doesn't come from the teachers, administration nor the curriculum. It comes from parents allowing their children to engage in the type of activities that they do - the socialization that the parents are supporting with their mass capitalistic tendencies and socialist ideals and regimes (yes, you read that right).

My children could attend public schools (for this example, lets assume there is absolutely NO socialization that goes on in public schools) and what they learn there, I and my husband could capitalize on at home - and even surpass. That wouldn't be the issue. The issue is other children's parents and the children themselves.

Call me a snob, but I'd prefer limiting my children's autonomous experiences to that of a higher class of individuals and groups rather than the lower class. I do not like the lower class and I don't trust them. If that entails me being labeled a snob, then I am proud to accept that title.

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I have to wonder what institution you're in, if you have enough time to be taking three majors with three minors. Either they require very little of you to get those majors and minors, or you do very little but study. In which case, why are you on here?

At the university I went to, just doing a degree in physics would be quite time-consuming, particularly since labs are more time-consuming than other courses. The course of study you're talking about would take something like 43 courses just for the majors and minors, which is already more than a full-load for four years (5 courses/15 credit hours a semester, over 8 semesters = 40 courses). But you're also required to take a number of general requirements (i.e. a language requirement, physical activity, composition, math, etc.), which would put you at over 50 courses necessary for such a course of study.
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What terms, exactly, would lump history, physics and psychology together as "soft science"?
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I believe everything is relative - gravity included.
What exactly is that supposed to mean?

That 50 lbs weighs something else from another person's point of view?
I'll answer your questions as I see relevant to our relationship here on this forum. You assume that everyone goes to school full time. That sometimes, is not the case. I have at least 60 or 70 more years to live, and therefore, 60 or 70 more years to enjoy academia. I consider the discussion of ideas and thoughts to be very relevant to the human experience. I am here, for, the human experience.

I consider physics a soft science because of my views of relativity. I cannot see why there would not be a creator of some type - whether that be a God, god, Goddess, or goddess. That creator might just be a compilation of energy (I should tell you about my theory someday, although it's merely in a metaphysical stage of existence at present and quite philosophical in other ways as well - it's encompassing. It's called "The Intellect and Consciousness of Energy) or atoms, electrons and a bit of dark matter. Whatever it is, I don't believe in infinite existence. Anyway, if that entity, group, collection, incomprehendable source...etc created all of this, or if it was a process in which reacted like a chain of events or chemical reaction - then perhaps we are being ignorant in thinking that it can be contained by a specific set of human made laws - physics? I would like to assume that whatever happened, it has the capacity to change those very laws of ours if it wanted to or could/will? I think everything is relative, relatively speaking.

For example, for all you Christians out there who believe in absolutism. Your God created everything. This means that God must have created itself as well or was eternal from the beginning. Don't you think you are blaspheming your God by stating that it couldn't destroy itself as well? Im assuming since it created everything that it could then also destroy everything including itself as well? Seems a bit odd (like the rest of Christian belief) to me. Just one more thing I can add to my list of why I am not Christian (not saying that the Christian religion isn't a good thing or can't be a good thing).

Like most Americans, you think that humans are the center of the universe. Americans think they are the center of the world. They believe that since they have freedom (really?) and liberty (really really?) that the rest of the world automatically wants that as well. And their wrong. The rest of the world may or may not want these things and it's not America's job to go around finding out by force and taking their natural resources in the process.

50 lbs to you may mean 1 lb to an extraterrestrial or by someone who in the near future is living in outer space..etc. 1 + 1 is not always 2. 1 orange and 1 apple do not make 2 oranges or 2 apples. It may mean that 1 apple and 1 orange make 2 fruits - but even that's subjective opinion because the concept of fruit is man made, unless you can provide me with an explanation of why I am wrong? I'd be delighted to hear.

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the socialization that the parents are supporting with their mass capitalistic tendencies and socialist ideals and regimes (yes, you read that right).
What the fuck are you talking about?
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I'll answer your questions as I see relevant to our relationship here on this forum. You assume that everyone goes to school full time. That sometimes, is not the case. I have at least 60 or 70 more years to live, and therefore, 60 or 70 more years to enjoy academia. I consider the discussion of ideas and thoughts to be very relevant to the human experience. I am here, for, the human experience.
I don't assume that everyone goes to school full-time. But I do assume that when someone says that they are majoring in something, that means that they are currently enrolled in an institution and pursuing a degree in that field, not merely that they are just interested in that subject.

So are you saying to me that you're pursuing a degree that is as time-consuming as the one you described, but part-time?

So it's going to take you like 10 years to get it?
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I consider physics a soft science because of my views of relativity. I cannot see why there would not be a creator of some type - whether that be a God, god, Goddess, or goddess.
That has nothing to do with the distinction between hard and soft science.

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That creator might just be a compilation of energy (I should tell you about my theory someday, although it's merely in a metaphysical stage of existence at present and quite philosophical in other ways as well - it's encompassing. It's called "The Intellect and Consciousness of Energy)
It doesn't sound particularly original or interesting, to be honest.
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50 lbs to you may mean 1 lb to an extraterrestrial or by someone who in the near future is living in outer space..etc.
I didn't mean 50 lbs in the sense of saying a dog weighs 50 lbs. Perhaps I should have said kilograms, since kilograms are technically a measure of mass, not weight (weight is the force of gravity, and so technically when you weigh yourself that's what you're measuring, and taking it as a proxy for mass).

50 lbs of force is not a relative measure. If you're in outer space, 50 lbs of force is the same. It might not feel the same. And you won't have even that much force of gravity on you (hence you feel weightless, although you're not massless).

I don't see what any of that has to do with saying that gravity is "relative" though.
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I only have an AA in IT from the University of Phoenix and a few community college classes under my belt, but I am majoring in Doctoring AND Lawyering (with minors in Science and Knowingness) so I'm legally capable of identifying anally-derived philosophical concepts such as physics is a soft-science.
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But she's 20 steps further than Gatto, surely she doesn't have her kids in the public system?
The public education system in America is not something to hate on. It's the people that apply it and indoctrinate our children in which we should hate on. Not all teachers are conforming to the ill suited curriculums of the public education system. I have known teachers far and wide that break that mold.

And to be honest, it's not even the teachers or the curriculum that bothers me. It's the type of socialization that my children would be subjected to should I allo them to attend public schools. I don't agree with the type of socialization that goes on in most public schools these days and that doesn't come from the teachers, administration nor the curriculum. It comes from parents allowing their children to engage in the type of activities that they do - the socialization that the parents are supporting with their mass capitalistic tendencies and socialist ideals and regimes (yes, you read that right).

My children could attend public schools (for this example, lets assume there is absolutely NO socialization that goes on in public schools) and what they learn there, I and my husband could capitalize on at home - and even surpass. That wouldn't be the issue. The issue is other children's parents and the children themselves.

Call me a snob, but I'd prefer limiting my children's autonomous experiences to that of a higher class of individuals and groups rather than the lower class. I do not like the lower class and I don't trust them. If that entails me being labeled a snob, then I am proud to accept that title.

Jamie

I am a homeschooler, so you need not justify it to me.

What I am most interested in is your statement "We will be homeschooling" compared to the ages of your kids. Is your oldest in a public school, private school, or are you already homeschooling? If homeschooling already, why did you use the future tense when you discussed it?
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I have participated on many online forums... I consider myself the prisoner of Plato's cave that did escape - and have now returned to the cave to tell others about the experiences that I've had - and have been met with frustration, anxiety, anger, threats and fear.
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1. How'd you find the Freethought Forum?

I have participated on many online forums. Sigh..*scratches head*. The reality of my current situation is this: I am disappointed in society at large because many people simply cannot fathom anything outside of the realm of teachings that have had indoctrinated into their skulls from early ages. They are, essentially, the prisoners of Plato's cave - the ones that don't escape, that is. I consider myself the prisoner of Plato's cave that did escape - and have now returned to the cave to tell others about the experiences that I've had - and have been met with frustration, anxiety, anger, threats and fear. I have yet, to find a forum where my obtuse topics are welcomed (note: welcomed is not always the same as agreement).
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Lady Shea:

My children are only one and four. Although we've started our four year old on some subjects, he is not actively engaged in home-schooling (enrolled) just yet. We are waiting till he turns five in September before we do that. My husband and I are formulating our own curriculum and learning dynamic. I like your views on the public education system (I've been reading the last few days). Do you have any suggestion for my husband and I in this aspect?

We have discussed the teaching of simple critical thinking and logic skills by the time he's six and our goal is to use the Socratic Method for the most part. I think part of the issue I have with the public school system is their lack of allowing the child/ren to think for themselves to come up with their own answers and to guide them in a better direction if they are extremely needy in some area of study.

Erimir:

I'm hoping to be working on my doctorate by 2016. Right now, I am due to graduate with an Associates of Science with concentrations in psychology. I used to go to school at South Dakota State University where I started with a simply psychology major and it evolved into a triple major in a two year time span. At that time, I was single with no children so it was pretty easy for me to attend classes all day long and do work-study on campus. I ended up getting married and having children, so going to school all day and night long wasn't feasible anymore. I attend college online right now because of this. I do not like daycares (perhaps it's a trust issue).

Ive found that I have learned more attending online college that physical colleges that I've attended in the past. They use PDF text books - the same which you purchase hard or soft cover in physical colleges and there's more interaction between professors and students online than there is in traditional classrooms. There is no time limit for class - the classroom is accessable 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It's based on asynchronistic communication, which is great. When I am reading and have something I want to bring up for discussion, I can simply log on to my classroom and post it, and more than likely within a few hours or a day, someone will entertain a discussion about it. I don't have to wait until the next class (which in that time, I'd more than likely forget).

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My children are only one and four.
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Although we've started our four year old on some subjects, he is not actively engaged in home-schooling (enrolled) just yet. We are waiting till he turns five in September before we do that. My husband and I are formulating our own curriculum and learning dynamic. I like your views on the public education system (I've been reading the last few days). Do you have any suggestion for my husband and I in this aspect?
Feel free to look at my "Educating Kiddo" thread to see what I am doing with my 4 yo

I do not have to enroll him into any school, including a homeschool umbrella, until he is 7. As I am educating him at home I consider myself a homeschooler.
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Oh? Perhaps you can explain this statement then?
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I have five children. Four boys and one girl. The boys are 10, 91/2, 7, 4 and 1. Devon Aire, Lane Ashton, Austin LoVern, Jesse Jo, and Raina Leedine. post
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Actually, it's clear: she has five children, but only two of them are hers.
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