Real number of 2011 unemployed

Rickoshay75 · #1 10-27-2011, 09:10 PM

According to the constantly moving US debt clock.orb...

CompuServe Search

The 2008 number of unemployed was 10.49 million (and moving).

The 2011 number of unemployed is.....13.96 million (and Moving), a difference of 4.47 million, nowhere near the 14 million we have been led to believe.

Dingfod · #2 10-27-2011, 09:12 PM

13.96 is pretty darned close to 14.

Rickoshay75 · #3 10-27-2011, 09:20 PM

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13.96 is pretty darned close to 14.

True, but that wasn't the point.

What I was trying to say was the difference between the 2008 and 2011 unemployment is only 4.47 million.

Deadlokd · #4 10-27-2011, 09:38 PM

Only 4.47 million? Who thinks that an extra 4.47 million people without a liveable income deserves an "only"?

Think about the effect on each of those people and their families.

ChuckF · #5 10-27-2011, 09:45 PM

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CompuServe Search

CompuServe? Really?

ETA: lol

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According to the constantly moving US debt clock.orb...

debt clock afterlife orb!

Dingfod · #6 10-27-2011, 09:45 PM

Those figures do not even begin to account for people that used to make $50,000 a year that are now flipping burgers for $11,000 a year.

Rickoshay75 · #7 10-27-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadlokd

Only 4.47 million? Who thinks that an extra 4.47 million people without a liveable income deserves an "only"?

Think about the effect on each of those people and their families.

Most will weather it OK, they always have in all the other recessions. Reagan's recession caused by his huge tax cut for the top one percent, put over ten percent out of work, tripled the National debt, but the recession only lasted two years.

Watser? · #8 10-27-2011, 10:39 PM

Wow, I give that

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Very good spread

ImGod · #9 10-27-2011, 10:46 PM

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Those figures do not even begin to account for people that used to make $50,000 a year that are now flipping burgers for $11,000 a year.

Yes, but these people now have free food if they save what's headed for the trash and divide it up.

lisarea · #10 10-27-2011, 11:06 PM

A couple of things about those numbers: That is an increase of more than a third. And 13.96 million does not even arguably qualify as "nowhere near" 14 million. It's weird you would even say that.

A couple of things related to those numbers: Unemployment statistics obviously do not count the underemployed, as Dingleford says, and they also don't count people who haven't actively sought employment in the past four weeks.

It's no Compuserve, but the Bureau of Labor Statistics has some more detailed information about the specifics.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Kyuss Apollo · #11 10-27-2011, 11:45 PM

I, for one, would like to [thank] our new US debt clock.orb overlords.

Stephen Maturin · #12 10-28-2011, 12:35 AM

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It's no Compuserve ...

lisarea · #13 10-28-2011, 12:42 AM

Wasn't it Compuserve that used to charge their users for emails received? It was like 10 or 25 cents per email or something, so if someone on Compuserve did something shitty, you could just send them an email and they'd get a bill for it.

That was a pretty good thing about Compuserve.

Unless that was Prodigy or something.

Sauron · #14 10-28-2011, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadlokd

Only 4.47 million? Who thinks that an extra 4.47 million people without a liveable income deserves an "only"?

Think about the effect on each of those people and their families.

Most will weather it OK, they always have in all the other recessions. Reagan's recession caused by his huge tax cut for the top one percent, put over ten percent out of work, tripled the National debt, but the recession only lasted two years.

The amount of jobs lost in this latest recession is greater than the total sum of *all* jobs lost in the last five recessions, *combined*.

Maybe you ought to look this stuff up before posting about it.

Gonzo · #15 10-28-2011, 02:59 AM

Thanks to Angakuk's pretend graph site, I just don't think I can ever trust and/or take another graph seriously again.

Angakuk · #16 10-28-2011, 06:30 AM

It looks like my work here is done.

Kael · #17 10-28-2011, 02:01 PM

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Thanks to Angakuk's pretend graph site, I just don't think I can ever trust and/or take another graph seriously again.

But that conflicts, or doesn't, with a recent study, which clearly indicates an increase in something after an event, probably the one you're whining about...

SR71 · #18 10-28-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadlokd

Only 4.47 million? Who thinks that an extra 4.47 million people without a liveable income deserves an "only"?

Think about the effect on each of those people and their families.

Most will weather it OK, they always have in all the other recessions. Reagan's recession caused by his huge tax cut for the top one percent, put over ten percent out of work, tripled the National debt, but the recession only lasted two years.

The thing is, this last episode was not a run of the mill recession, it was a full fledged contraction. It's like the difference between catching a cold and having nearly died of pneumonia. Our economic system, by whatever name you choose to call it, almost committed suicide. The recovery will take much much longer than normal, something on the order of a decade, rather than a matter of months as in a typical recession. The pain will be severe and long term. We need to work on ways to alleviate the pain, as soon as possible.

Angakuk · #19 10-29-2011, 04:33 AM

No pain, no gain.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

If at first you don't succeed, cut your throat and watch it bleed.

Wait! I am not sure that that last one belongs in there.

Oh well, too late to change it now. I have written what I have written.

Rickoshay75 · #20 10-30-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadlokd

Only 4.47 million? Who thinks that an extra 4.47 million people without a liveable income deserves an "only"?

Think about the effect on each of those people and their families.

Most will weather it OK, they always have in all the other recessions. Reagan's recession caused by his huge tax cut for the top one percent, put over ten percent out of work, tripled the National debt, but the recession only lasted two years.

The thing is, this last episode was not a run of the mill recession, it was a full fledged contraction. It's like the difference between catching a cold and having nearly died of pneumonia. Our economic system, by whatever name you choose to call it, almost committed suicide. The recovery will take much much longer than normal, something on the order of a decade, rather than a matter of months as in a typical recession. The pain will be severe and long term. We need to work on ways to alleviate the pain, as soon as possible.

No matter how bad the economy is, it can be fixed with more jobs, not just fill in jobs, but actual projects that are vitally needed. Our infrastructure is crumbling, bridges are cracking, and we need more and more elect power. No, not Solar or windmills, power from continual sources, probably as much as ten years steady work

Iacchus · #21 10-30-2011, 09:04 PM

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The thing is, this last episode was not a run of the mill recession, it was a full fledged contraction. It's like the difference between catching a cold and having nearly died of pneumonia. Our economic system, by whatever name you choose to call it, almost committed suicide. The recovery will take much much longer than normal, something on the order of a decade, rather than a matter of months as in a typical recession. The pain will be severe and long term. We need to work on ways to alleviate the pain, as soon as possible.

Hey, the banks (the ones that are left) are doing okay now aren't they? They're the ones responsible for getting us into this mess. Why shouldn't they be expected to make some sort of effort (within reason) to get us out?

Rickoshay75 · #22 10-30-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SR71

The thing is, this last episode was not a run of the mill recession, it was a full fledged contraction. It's like the difference between catching a cold and having nearly died of pneumonia. Our economic system, by whatever name you choose to call it, almost committed suicide. The recovery will take much much longer than normal, something on the order of a decade, rather than a matter of months as in a typical recession. The pain will be severe and long term. We need to work on ways to alleviate the pain, as soon as possible.

Hey, the banks (the ones that are left) are doing okay now aren't they? They're the ones responsible for getting us into this mess. Why shouldn't they be expected to make some sort of effort (within reason) to get us out?

If there's no profit to be made, it'll never happen.

SR71 · #23 10-30-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Iacchus

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Originally Posted by SR71

The thing is, this last episode was not a run of the mill recession, it was a full fledged contraction. It's like the difference between catching a cold and having nearly died of pneumonia. Our economic system, by whatever name you choose to call it, almost committed suicide. The recovery will take much much longer than normal, something on the order of a decade, rather than a matter of months as in a typical recession. The pain will be severe and long term. We need to work on ways to alleviate the pain, as soon as possible.

Hey, the banks (the ones that are left) are doing okay now aren't they? They're the ones responsible for getting us into this mess. Why shouldn't they be expected to make some sort of effort (within reason) to get us out?

Strong Agree. Like this on FaceBook.

I would say that now is the time to teach the despicable savings/investment players-of-both-ends-of-the-deal-against-the-middle banks a little object lesson in capitalism. See, we bailed them out, and they repaid it, which is all bonus cake, so they have been made whole, as have we. The thing is - They Were Supposed To Take A Hit. I propose we now give them two years to pay the treasury an amount equal to the TARP funds that kept them alive, in order that they actually incur the loss. This will give them time to order their affairs so that the losses They Themselves Incurred of Their Own Volition will not be a surprise to us all, as in 2007's smash episode, "Hey Everybody, Guess What, We Ran Out of Money!"

Repaying a loan is not equivalent to taking a loss. True?

Rickoshay75 · #24 10-30-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SR71

The thing is, this last episode was not a run of the mill recession, it was a full fledged contraction. It's like the difference between catching a cold and having nearly died of pneumonia. Our economic system, by whatever name you choose to call it, almost committed suicide. The recovery will take much much longer than normal, something on the order of a decade, rather than a matter of months as in a typical recession. The pain will be severe and long term. We need to work on ways to alleviate the pain, as soon as possible.

Hey, the banks (the ones that are left) are doing okay now aren't they? They're the ones responsible for getting us into this mess. Why shouldn't they be expected to make some sort of effort (within reason) to get us out?

Strong Agree. Like this on FaceBook.

I propose we now give them two years to pay the treasury an amount equal to the TARP funds that kept them alive, in order that they actually incur the loss.

Banks have to show a profit before they can start paying back, and most are barely alive,, and more and more are closed every day.

SR71 · #25 10-30-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Iacchus

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Originally Posted by SR71

The thing is, this last episode was not a run of the mill recession, it was a full fledged contraction. It's like the difference between catching a cold and having nearly died of pneumonia. Our economic system, by whatever name you choose to call it, almost committed suicide. The recovery will take much much longer than normal, something on the order of a decade, rather than a matter of months as in a typical recession. The pain will be severe and long term. We need to work on ways to alleviate the pain, as soon as possible.

Hey, the banks (the ones that are left) are doing okay now aren't they? They're the ones responsible for getting us into this mess. Why shouldn't they be expected to make some sort of effort (within reason) to get us out?

Strong Agree. Like this on FaceBook.

I propose we now give them two years to pay the treasury an amount equal to the TARP funds that kept them alive, in order that they actually incur the loss.

Banks have to show a profit before they can start paying back, and most are barely alive,, and more and more are closed every day.

That is the point, they are Zombie Banks. We don't want to big too fail, because they did, they did fail, remember? Send the undead to the grave and put a stake through their hearts. Let Ma and Pa rise up. They will probably do a better job. That is how it's supposed to work.