Go Back   Freethought Forum > The Public Baths > News, Politics & Law

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-02-2013, 05:05 AM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

:drudgesiren: :ff: EXCLUSIVE, MUST CREDIT FREE THOUGHT TALK FORM :drudgesiren:

It's a legitimate question, and I'm asking it. We know that Rafael "Ted" Cruz is ineligible to be President, but is he a foreign terrorist?

Foreign-born Rafael Cruz has already acknowledged his divided allegiance arising from his birth abroad and his loyalty to a foreign monarch. Rafael Cruz was born under the protection of the very same person who once reigned over Pakistan, where Osama bin Laden lived in comfort and planned attacks on America.

But I have discovered something else; an even darker, more disturbing dimension to this sordid and un-American story of lies and illegal immigration. What concerns me is the MSM's silence and refusal to investigate Rafael Cruz's shady Cuban past. Rafael Cruz is apparently so proud of his father being Cuban that he features it on his website. Of course, Vattel tells us:
Quote:
The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent . . . I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
There is therefore no question that, under the Law of Nations as known to the framers, and for American constitutional purposes, Rafael Cruz is a true natural-born citizen of Cuba, his father's country.

I think it is also very likely that Rafael Cruz is a natural-born citizen of Cuba under Cuban law. Rafael Cruz was born abroad to foreign parents in 1970. Both the Cuban Constitution of 1940 and the Fundamental Law of 1959 provide that:
Quote:
ART. 11. Cuban citizenship is acquired by birth or by naturalization.

ART. 12. Cubans by birth are:

1st. All those born in the territory of the Republic with the exception of the children of aliens who may at the time be in the service of their Government.

2nd. Those born in foreign territory, of Cuban father or mother, by the sole act of their becoming inhabitants of Cuba.

3rd. Those having been born outside the territory of the Republic, of father or mother who were natives of Cuba, but who may have lost this nationality, who reclaim Cuban citizenship in the form and subject to the conditions stipulated by law.

3rd. Those having been born outside the territory of the Republic, of father or mother who were natives of Cuba, but who may have lost this nationality, who reclaim Cuban citizenship in the form and subject to the conditions stipulated by law.
Even if we accept the unsupported assertion that "Ted" (false name) Cruz has not reclaimed his Cuban citizenship, the 3rd item is troublesome. Cruz does not dispute that he was born to a Cuban citizen (his father), and claims that he was born outside of the territory of the Republic of Cuba. I don't think he has proven that, but even if we accept that he was born in Canada, Cruz has not demonstrated that he has not reclaimed his Cuban citizenship in the form and subject to the conditions stipulated by law. There is therefore no real dispute that Cruz is a natural born Cuban under both American and Cuban law.

Why hasn't Cruz done this? He could put everyone's mind at ease if he would just prove that he is not a Cuban citizen. It shouldn't be hard at all. Why is nobody asking these questions?

I think it's very likely that Rafael Cruz is a natural-born citizen of communist Cuba, born less than a decade after Cuba threatened to draw the United States into a nuclear war.

In 1983, Ronald Reagan said of Cuba:
Quote:
there is strong evidence that Castro officials are involved in the drug trade, peddling drugs like criminals, profiting on the misery of the addicted. I would like to take this opportunity to call on the Castro regime for an accounting.
I think we deserve to know whether the junior Senator from Texas is a Castro operative. What is he trying to hide? Like Ronald Reagan before me, I would like to take this opportunity to call on Rafael Cruz for an accounting.
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-02-2013), BrotherMan (09-02-2013), chunksmediocrites (09-03-2013), Clutch Munny (09-02-2013), erimir (09-02-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), Kael (09-02-2013), Kyuss Apollo (01-28-2016), LadyShea (09-02-2013), lisarea (09-02-2013), livius drusus (09-02-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), Sauron (09-02-2013), SR71 (09-04-2013), Stephen Maturin (09-03-2013), Stormlight (09-02-2013), The Man (09-02-2013), Watser? (09-02-2013), Ymir's blood (01-29-2016)
  #2  
Old 09-02-2013, 05:13 AM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

I figured that he would be. Maybe he will renounce that, as well.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-02-2013, 06:02 AM
BrotherMan's Avatar
BrotherMan BrotherMan is offline
A Very Gentle Bort
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Bortlandia
Gender: Male
Posts: XVDCLII
Blog Entries: 5
Images: 63
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

His renouncing of both Cuban and Canadian citizenship is immaterial. Having been a natural born citizen of both the People's Republic of Communist Cuba and the Socialist Utopian Paradise of Canadia definitively causes Rafael "Theodore" Cruz ineligible to run for President of the United States of American.
__________________
\V/_
I COVLD TEACh YOV BVT I MVST LEVY A FEE
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-02-2013), ChuckF (09-02-2013), chunksmediocrites (09-03-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), Kyuss Apollo (01-28-2016), LadyShea (09-02-2013), lisarea (09-02-2013), livius drusus (09-02-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), Sauron (09-02-2013), Stormlight (09-02-2013), The Man (09-02-2013)
  #4  
Old 09-02-2013, 08:35 AM
erimir's Avatar
erimir erimir is offline
Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dee Cee
Gender: Male
Posts: XMMDCCCLXXIX
Images: 11
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

As you have rightly implied with your quotation marks, "Ted" isn't even his real name. It's not even a nickname associated with his real first and middle names, Rafael Edward. It is a pseudonym. Perhaps a Cuban operative nom de guerre?

(Or nombre de guerra, if you prefer.)
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
ChuckF (09-02-2013), chunksmediocrites (09-03-2013), Clutch Munny (09-02-2013), Dingfod (09-02-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), livius drusus (09-02-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), Stephen Maturin (09-03-2013), Stormlight (09-02-2013), The Man (09-02-2013)
  #5  
Old 09-02-2013, 08:35 AM
erimir's Avatar
erimir erimir is offline
Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dee Cee
Gender: Male
Posts: XMMDCCCLXXIX
Images: 11
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

:dddp:
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-02-2013, 11:24 AM
Dingfod's Avatar
Dingfod Dingfod is offline
Gone Guy
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: In a Hole
Gender: Male
Posts: XLMMDCLIII
Blog Entries: 21
Images: 92
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

I'm pretty sure he got Ted out of that like Edward Moore Kennedy, by drowning a secretary.
__________________
Sleep - the most beautiful experience in life - except drink.--W.C. Fields
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
chunksmediocrites (09-03-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), Kyuss Apollo (09-08-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), Stephen Maturin (09-03-2013), Stormlight (09-02-2013), The Man (09-02-2013)
  #7  
Old 09-02-2013, 03:50 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by erimir View Post
As you have rightly implied with your quotation marks, "Ted" isn't even his real name. It's not even a nickname associated with his real first and middle names, Rafael Edward. It is a pseudonym. Perhaps a Cuban operative nom de guerre?

(Or nombre de guerra, if you prefer.)
Ted Kaczynski. Ted Bundy. One a terrorist, the other a killer of women. Does Rafael Cruz pay tribute to them?
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-02-2013), BrotherMan (09-02-2013), chunksmediocrites (09-03-2013), Clutch Munny (09-02-2013), erimir (09-02-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), Kael (09-03-2013), lisarea (09-02-2013), livius drusus (09-02-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), Stephen Maturin (09-03-2013), Stormlight (09-02-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
  #8  
Old 09-02-2013, 08:42 PM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

I don't believe that he is disqualified from running, since his mother was an American citizen. I really don't believe that this would have been an issue if not for the whole Birther crap.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:10 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth View Post
I don't believe that he is disqualified from running, since his mother was an American citizen.
Setting aside the constitutional validity of the assertion that his mother's citizenship is dispositive here (see Vattel), where has it been demonstrated that Rafael Cruz's mother was an American citizen?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:15 PM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

The news reports I have read. I have read that she was a citizen, and his father was Cuban, and he was born in Canada. I am pretty sure that the birth certificate I read showed that she was born in the U.S. Look, all of this Obama birther crap was ignorance and idiocy. I fought against my ignorant family and friends over this. I won't become a hypocrite in this issue.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:18 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

I haven't seen his mother's birth certificate, or any other documents indicating that she was an American citizen, naturalized or otherwise. If he's going to pin his hopes for eligibility on his mother's citizenship - notwithstanding his foreign birth, divided loyalties, and shadowy connections with Cuba - I think it's only fair that he establish that his mother was, in fact, a citizen of the United States.

That should be a simple burden for Rafael Cruz to bear. But he hasn't. Why? What is he hiding?

Even if his mother was a citizen of the United States (and right now we have very little reason to believe that she was), that doesn't make foreign-born Rafael a natural-born citizen within the meaning of the Constitution.

However, he may be eligible to be el Presidente de Cuba.
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-02-2013), Dingfod (09-03-2013), Kyuss Apollo (09-08-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
  #12  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:21 PM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:23 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

That looks like an unauthenticated image of a Canadian "Certificate of Birth" (not a long-form birth certificate) for one Rafael Cruz. It contains no information about his citizenship status, or his mother's citizenship.

Rafael Cruz was born in 1970, but his alleged Certificate of Birth was not issued until 1971. What happened in the interim? Where was he? Was he flown from a Cuban military intelligence installation to Canada during that time to get a Canadian Certificate of Birth? It is well known that Canadian Certificates of Birth were very easy to obtain in the early 1970s.
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-02-2013), chunksmediocrites (09-03-2013), Dingfod (09-03-2013), erimir (09-03-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), Kael (09-03-2013), Kyuss Apollo (09-08-2013), livius drusus (09-02-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), Stephen Maturin (09-03-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
  #14  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:23 PM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

There is no specific clause in the Constitution stating that he could not be born in another country. I don't want him to become POTUS, either, but I won't become part of this new liberal birther movement.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:24 PM
Watser?'s Avatar
Watser? Watser? is offline
Fishy mokey
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Furrin parts
Posts: LMMMDLXXXVI
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?


:psst:
__________________
:typingmonkey:
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Beth (09-02-2013), chunksmediocrites (09-03-2013), Dingfod (09-03-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), Kael (09-03-2013), Kyuss Apollo (09-08-2013), lisarea (09-02-2013), livius drusus (09-02-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), SR71 (09-04-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
  #16  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:26 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth View Post
There is no specific clause in the Constitution stating that he could not be born in another country. I don't want him to become POTUS, either, but I won't become part of this new liberal birther movement.
I'm just asking for enough information to allow it to be established whether or not he is eligible. But Rafael Cruz hasn't offered that information. It would be so trivial for a natural-born American citizen to do that. Why hasn't Rafael Cruz?
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Dingfod (09-03-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
  #17  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:26 PM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Watser? View Post

:psst:
lol! A lot of my liberal news feed on fb discusses Cruz. I am a liberal, and would hate to see him win. The only thing that I can do is point out the hypocrisy in Cruz's backers.
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
SR71 (09-04-2013)
  #18  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:28 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

I won't apologize for believing that the Constitution is important.
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-02-2013), BrotherMan (09-02-2013), Clutch Munny (09-02-2013), Dingfod (09-03-2013), erimir (09-03-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), Kael (09-03-2013), livius drusus (09-02-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), SR71 (09-04-2013), Stormlight (09-03-2013), The Man (09-03-2013), Zehava (09-03-2013)
  #19  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:32 PM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckF View Post
I won't apologize for believing that the Constitution is important.
It is. You must challenge all of the others who have run unchallenged, including McCain. The U.S. Senate had to issue a resolution that he was eligible to run.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:34 PM
Watser?'s Avatar
Watser? Watser? is offline
Fishy mokey
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Furrin parts
Posts: LMMMDLXXXVI
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

I heard McCain was replaced by a robot by the Vietcong a long time ago.
__________________
:typingmonkey:
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-02-2013), Beth (09-02-2013), Dingfod (09-03-2013), erimir (09-03-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), livius drusus (09-02-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
  #21  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:34 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

That resolution had no Constitutional effect. Much like Rafael Cruz's unauthenticated Canadian "Certificate of Birth."
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Dingfod (09-03-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
  #22  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:35 PM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

You can question. Questioning can be good, but I find this to be hypocritical. Because of this, I won't be part of it. I will do my part by helping people to register to vote, by spreading facts, and by actually voting.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:37 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

Where is the hypocrisy in asking whether Ted Cruz is a citizen of the communist Republic of Cuba and an enemy of America? I think that's important to know. It seems like the best answer he can produce right now is "We're not sure." I think that's scary to a lot of people.
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-02-2013), Beth (09-02-2013), Dingfod (09-03-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
  #24  
Old 09-02-2013, 09:55 PM
Beth's Avatar
Beth Beth is offline
poster over sea and land
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Golgatha
Posts: MVLXXIII
Images: 38
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

You can believe as you want. I just don't follow you on it. If anything, the man was born in Canada, and he will sympathize with the Snowbirds who stimulate the U.S. economy when they visit. I don't see it as you do, but I enjoyed this distraction from my life. Thank you for that.

And I think that this Cold War crap on Cuba only hurts the people in Cuba. Haven't you heard? We may be starting WWIII.
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Dingfod (09-03-2013)
  #25  
Old 09-02-2013, 10:02 PM
ChuckF's Avatar
ChuckF ChuckF is offline
liar in wolf's clothing
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frequently about
Posts: XVMMMDCCCLXI
Images: 2
Default Re: Is Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth View Post
this new liberal birther movement.
I am a Republican.
Reply With Quote
Thanks, from:
Adam (09-03-2013), Beth (09-02-2013), BrotherMan (09-02-2013), chunksmediocrites (09-03-2013), Crumb (09-03-2013), Dingfod (09-03-2013), erimir (09-03-2013), Janet (09-04-2013), Kael (09-03-2013), Kyuss Apollo (09-08-2013), Nullifidian (09-02-2013), Pan Narrans (09-02-2013), Stormlight (09-03-2013), The Man (09-03-2013)
Reply

  Freethought Forum > The Public Baths > News, Politics & Law


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

 

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Page generated in 0.27897 seconds with 13 queries