Ayndy, you 'ave some Libersplainin' to do!

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

yeah because a guy with a economics PHD (Scott Lazarowitz,the author of the article) is not able to understand this and you,random internet lady,you really know more than him!

His blog profile says he majored in psychology and doesn't mention a PhD (or any degree) at all. Where did you come up with that?

ETA: Even more research trying to verify your claim indicates that Scott Lazarowitz is a random Internet dude that writes a lot on his blog, contributes to Lew Rockwell's site, and posts a lot of comments around other blogs and sites. No professional publications or credentials to be found.

From his About page

Originally Posted by Scott Lazarowitz

A lot of my writing here has been in the category of economics, even though I didn’t really study that. Well, that’s not true. While I majored in psychology in college, I did take one economics course, but it was sooooooo boring–I learned nothing in that class. But I studied economics in the sense of really learning about it after college, mostly during the 1980s, by hearing people on the radio and on tapes, and reading various material–mostly libertarian-based periodicals.

So did you make it up that he was a PhD in economics, or did you hope your claim wouldn't be checked? Do you think his learning about it by listening to the radio is some super special education nobody else can get?

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

LOL, that's your response to the points brought up? Are you seriously 12 years old?

He's actually 10 years old.
But you guessed him at 12.
12-10 = 2.
Total gain: 2 years!
he wins!

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by EinWhinyPlagiarian

actually libertarianism,unlike socialism, EMBRACES human nature

No, it doesn't.

If it did, then it wouldn't rely on exercise of force to enforce contracts.

And if it did, then it would have useful ways to combat economic costs at the periphery. But it doesn't have any such ways to combat those costs.

If libertarianism ignores human nature,why Von Mises' Magna Opera is called "HUMAN ACTION?"

Because Mises was an idiot with no creative imagination, when it came to thinking up titles.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by davidm

Seriously, are you twelve years old? Have you ever held a job? Have you ever filed taxes?

1. Do you know what a deduction is? You think everyone pays fifty percent of their income in taxes? Seriously? Have you ever heard of a tax refund?

He apparently also doesn't know the difference between:

(a) total income taxation rate; and
(b) marginal income taxation rate.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

I currently live in Italy,the nation with the highest REAL income taxes in the world(50%-55% for my income level)

And apparently even though you live in Italy, you don't know shit about the country's economy, or its relative ranking among other countries.

The real income tax rates in Norway, Sweden, Belgium, France and Denmark are all higher than Italy:

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by davidm

Gee, I wonder how Mommy's Basement would fare under a monarchy?

Probably not very well. AML is half-Korean, which means he's a mongrel mix and thus his bloodlines aren't suitable.

AML probably doesn't even realize that if Hoppe & Friends were to get their way, AML himself would actually be a target for resistance and eradication.

It never ceases to amaze me how often idiots like AML throw out these grand ideas to remake society without first double-checking first to see if those changes would backfire on them.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

DO you recognize that without people like me,Jerome,Miss Shelby etc this forum would become a immense CIRCLE-JERKING of immense dimension?

They already are a circle jerk. You add nothing to that dynamic, nor do you improve it or break it apart.

Do you recognize that people like davidm,Nullidifian,The Man,Vivisectus,and some other """free-thoughters""" are politically on the left of 99% of Americans(and probably Europeans) electorate

Americans? Probably.
Europeans? Wrong.

and most likely considered "cranks" by your average Joe Sixpack??

So?
Are you seriously suggesting that we should use "Joe Sixpack" as some kind of yardstick for what constitutes accuracy in economic policy? A population of people who cannot tell you the difference between stocks and bonds is somehow a good reference point for judging economic ideas?

And I wonder what Joe Sixpack would say about someone who makes a bet for 200 euros, loses the bet, and then refuses to pay up?

Some people here dared to call themself "anti-capitalist" or "marxist"

Again, so what?

At least those people don't run away like scared little kids whenever someone wants them to support their statements.

[LadyShea]

Are you seriously suggesting that we should use "Joe Sixpack" as some kind of yardstick for what constitutes accuracy in economic policy? A population of people who cannot tell you the difference between stocks and bonds is somehow a good reference point for judging economic ideas?

Well, since listening to the radio and reading Libertarian periodicals turns a blogging psychology major into someone with a PhD in economics, yeah why not let Joe Sixpack -who is statistically likely to be unable to find the USA on a map and think the world is <10000 years old-be the benchmark.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by Watser?

And again with the hero worship. Some individual you are. You are worse than a parrot, you are one of those computer loops. For Ayn Rand, press one. For Mises, press two. For Lazarowitz, press 272.

Moreover, the hero-worshiping, quote-mining, text plagiarizing dolt has yet to explain why he uses "Ayn" in his user name when Ayn Rand publicly and repeatedly denounced Lolbertards in vociferous terms, calling them "monstrous," among other choice epithets.

[erimir]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

The right would like to kill me using the military or don't believe I have a right to fuck whoever I please
The left would like to say how I should spend my hard-learned money
The libertarian says:let's me live as I please and I let's you live as you please


THIS IS LIBERTARIANISM,anarcho-capitalism is just libertarianism taken to his logical end,like MURRAY ROTHBARD used to say

Unless we're talking about Chile, in which case, by all means, Pinochet, use the military to shoot people in the face. It's in the name of free market economics, so it's ok.

[Watser?]

Which btw is the textbook definition of fascism: use the military to shoot people in the face in the name of free market economics.

[AynMisesLibertarian]

Originally Posted by Watser?

Which btw is the textbook definition of fascism: use the military to shoot people in the face in the name of free market economics.

Fascism is a left wing theory

Mussolini was a socialist

MODERN LEFTISM AS RECYCLED FASCISM

[Watser?]

Uh huh. And the Sun, where does that come up? Have they told you that yet?

Seriously, you live in Italy of all places and you claim fascism is leftwing. Like the neofascists were in all those leftwing governments, amirite?

[LadyShea]

He claimed himself that Fascism was the opposite of Marxian socialism and opposed to socialism.

"La Dottrina del fascismo," by Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini




Care to defend your lying idiocy?

[chunksmediocrites]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

How do you know the market is always more efficient? How do you know that you would pay less if everything was privatised? You keep saying these things, but so far you have been unable to explain how your system is supposed to work, apart from claiming that it works. You just repeat that things would be better, without actually explaining how or why.

I pointed out some objections to the opinion of Friedman, whom you said represented your point of view. You did not have any answer to them, and yet here you are repeating the same opinion as if nothing was ever said!

This does not look like rational behaviour to me. I am trying to form an opinion of your economic philosophy, but so far it seems your ideas about it are not very well thought out, and you seem to have no answer to the problems I have spotted. Why is this? You speak as if you are very certain, but you seem unable to explain why you are so certain about all this. How can you keep repeating the same thing when you cannot defend or explain it?

AML, are you going to answer any of the questions Vivisectus asks here?

Can you tell me how selfishness is "human nature" but unselfish acts are not?

Can you reconcile your ideology with Ayn Rand's entire rejection of the same?

Can you acknowledge why you claim to be taxed at 50-55%, when tax brackets in Italy don't go that high?

Can you acknowledge that your claim that Scott Lazarowitz' has a PhD in economics is false?

Can you reconcile your continued plagiarism with your ideology?

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

wow ,I bet 200€ that the people who work in those "academy" know far less about climatology and math than me

Why won't you pay what you owe? How can you pine for a voluntary society and then steal €200? How then are you any better than the governments you despise?

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

Fascism is a left wing theory

And Scott Lazarowitz has a Ph.D. in economics.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by EinWhinyPlagiarian

Fascism is a left wing theory

Wrong. If it were, then Hitler wouldn't have been fighting the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Mussolini was a socialist

No, he was a fascist, which is a right-wing ideology.

Would you like any other corrections to your wild guesses?

[Vivisectus]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

no the angry crypto-fascist is currently in the white house voted by "progressive" like you

Obama the Socialist Fascist Communist by Scott Lazarowitz

and about Libertarianism,well libertarianism is very simple: other people are not you property and you may not fuck with other people business

The right would like to kill me using the military or don't believe I have a right to fuck whoever I please
The left would like to say how I should spend my hard-learned money
The libertarian says:let's me live as I please and I let's you live as you please


THIS IS LIBERTARIANISM,anarcho-capitalism is just libertarianism taken to his logical end,like MURRAY ROTHBARD used to say

Fascism is not an economic philosophy - discussing it as being economically left- or rightwing is like arguing a potato is a citrus-fruit or a non-citrus fruit.

You are a fascist because you think of people as like you, a category into which you shunt all people you admire or think of as worthwhile (as well as yourself), and people who according to you are either worth less or worthless altogether. You justify doing this with empty slogans that you do not understand, and blame them for your own shortcomings and for whatever you feel is wrong with society. That, in a nutshell, is your average fascist. It does not matter what you use as the actual dividing line: you can use nationalism, racism, religion, political ideology, social class - famously, Mrs Rand herself ended up dividing all people into those who agreed with her and where therefore morally upstanding, more intelligent and worthwhile, and people who did not and where therefore useless trash.

Just as you grossly oversimplify everything - even this very post that I am responding to - so that it fits your infantile excuse for a philosophy which you claim to be an adherent to, but cannot defend or even explain. You do not know what Libertarianism is. It is far from "very simple" as you just described it:

and about Libertarianism,well libertarianism is very simple: other people are not you property and you may not fuck with other people business

Libertarianism requires the free market to form a complex network of mutually beneficial interactions, and it requires this network to find a balance where everyone is better off. It requires this to happen without any outside intervention. It is not "very simple". You just want a very simple solution because you are either too lazy or too dense to handle anything more complex.

The proof of this? I already given it to you in the case of Friedmanian free-market law enforcement. I have already showed you a scenario where self-interest, which Libertarianism holds to be the sole motivator, can actually lead not to an efficient and just system of law-enforcement and justice but to a multi-national protection racket with regular turf-wars between rival factions.

You have not addressed this scenario, but in stead continue to repeat your slogans - empty phrases that you do not understand. You have no interest in economics, or philosophy. You just want to pretend to adhere to it because it gives you something to blame all the ills in society on. It gives you something to blame your own glaringly obvious shortcomings on. You are not a libertarian at all, you are merely a closet fascist poseur.

Here is a challenge for you: Why don't you prove me wrong? Go back and actually read some libertarian literature, and then debate it with me on it's merits? You are unable to do so now simply because you have not done your homework: you have not taken the time to get to understand what you are advocating. Your knowledge of it is too shallow even deal with even the most simple objections. Now that you have your degree, surely you must be capable of doing better?

The kind of person that I suspect you to be would not be capable of doing more than a little cutting and pasting, and would not be able to hold an informed debate on the philosophy, because he is not really interested in it as a philosophy: it is merely an easy way to find scapegoats, to explain why the country is going to hell in a hand-basket, and that if HE were in charge, all the trains would run on time.

So far you have consistently confirmed this suspicion of mine. So here is a challenge for you: show me that your opinion has merit.

[davidm]

I once had an online debate with some Objectivist idiot whose user name was 99 percent (at one time he was an iidb mod, which tells you all you need to know about iidb.)

I asked him, under his philosophy, whether it was OK for the owner of a patent on a life-saving drug to refuse to sell it to a dying man who happened to be black, because the owner didn't like blacks. He said that was OK.

Then I asked him whether it would be OK if he, 99 Percent, where hurtling down a rushing river toward a waterfall that would take him over the side to certain death, and a guy on shore had a life preserver that he refused to sell or give to 99 Percent just because he didn't like 99 Percent. No, no, that would be wrong! The guy on shore would be guilty of a crime!

Tells you all you need to know about these hypocritical turds. Much like Ayn Rand taking government handouts toward the end of her life after the medical system had bled her dry for cancer treatments.

[ZEZOZE]

i think it all leans left. you can have your suit cut for that.

the right is a ruse as there is nothing right ever offered up.