Two Minutes Hate

[Dingfod]

*whoosh* - the sound of all of that going right over my Luddite head

[lisarea]

This story keeps getting worse and worse.

The Associated Press: Family: 7-year-old shot by police was asleep

Someone explain to me again why it's such a great idea for cops to be staging these military style raids on family homes.

[Crumb]

[lisarea]

Also, is this anywhere yet? Some kind of thread about Catholics or abortions or anything? I can't find anything or figure out where to put it, but it needs put somewhere:

Hospital nun rebuked for allowing abortion - Health care- msnbc.com

And this is a really weird and creepy part that I'm trying to make sense of:

The Catholic Church allows the termination of a pregnancy only as a secondary effect of other treatments, such as radiation of a cancerous uterus.

So it's OK to terminate a pregnancy, as long as it happens as a (probably slow, traumatic for the patient) side effect of treatment*; but it's not OK if termination IS the treatment, even when continuing the pregnancy would almost definitely result in the death of both the fetus and the patient?

I have known Catholics who were good people, and who meant well, but there's some point at which people need to step the fuck up and take ownership of the kind of horrors they're supporting when they support this church.

* I know I'm going to regret this if anyone knows the answer, but: How exactly would fetal death via radiation to the uterus play out?

[Ymir's blood]

Just a guess, but decreased white blood cell count leading to infection? Also radiation can damage DNA and a fetus isn't doing much more than replicating its cells, leading to rapid spread of damaged information.

[BrotherMan]

Two more minutes of hate.

But Fieger said the video shows an officer lobbing the grenade and then shooting into the home from the porch.

"There is no question about what happened because it's in the videotape," Fieger said. "It's not an accident. It's not a mistake. There was no altercation."

[Deadlokd]

Originally Posted by Ymir's blood

Just a guess, but decreased white blood cell count leading to infection? Also radiation can damage DNA and a fetus isn't doing much more than replicating its cells, leading to rapid spread of damaged information.

Pretty much what Ymir's blood said. I can't imagine it doing any favours to the placenta either. Regarding the foetus' WBCs, that wouldn't be a big deal while in utero, but would be a massive problem if the baby managed to be born, genetic mutations notwithstanding. I'd imagine a bubble existence while they prep the baby for a bone marrow transplant. The mutations would be a problem especially if the mother received the radiation early in the pregnancy. Spontaneous abortion would be likely.

[erimir]

This started out as Two Minutes Hate material, but ended on

Gay Parents Are Refused a Meal - ABC News

[Anastasia Beaverhausen]

Erimir, I got the audio but no video.

[erimir]

I guess it doesn't work in Australia?

[Anastasia Beaverhausen]

All the other "What would you do?" videos worked.

[lisarea]

I had the same problem, so I don't think it's a region thing. I went and found it on Hulu, though, which does have region restrictions.

[erimir]

I dunno what to tell ya, it works fine on my computer.

The first half is here:

YouTube- What Would You Do? / ABC Series - Gay...

[Crumb]

http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/06/0...being-raped-2/

[BrotherMan]

Coming soon to a state legislature near you: That handy camera you have might get you more arrested.

In response to a flood of Facebook and YouTube videos that depict police abuse, a new trend in law enforcement is gaining popularity. In at least three states, it is now illegal to record any on-duty police officer.

Even if the encounter involves you and may be necessary to your defense, and even if the recording is on a public street where no expectation of privacy exists.

[Crumb]

That is just not right.

[lisarea]

Originally Posted by Crumb

http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/06/0...being-raped-2/

This is a super-heinous story, and there are a whole lot of people involved in this who should be in prison. Obviously the rapists, but also all the church members who acted as accessories after the fact the first AND the second time she was molested by a parishioner; her parents and both preachers for hindering prosecution by hiding her; and pretty much everyone who knew about it and didn't do anything to help her.

Police: Girl raped, then relocated | Concord Monitor

Woman: I was afraid to tell of rape | Concord Monitor

[Sock Puppet]

Those last two deserve a hell of a lot more than two minutes of hate.

[Ensign Steve]

Princess Sparkle Pony's Photo Blog: Public Depiction Of Negro A Little Too Edgy For Prescott, Arizona

[Zehava]

Good fucking lord

I say we give it back to Mexico and see how those "I'm not a racist, but..." people react.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BrotherMan

Coming soon to a state legislature near you: That handy camera you have might get you more arrested.

Interesting how the "If you're not doing anything wrong, then what do you have to hide?" line of reasoning apparently doesn't apply to cops.

[LadyShea]

In the early days of the oil disaster, multiple Yahoo!eenies were all "OMG why are you focusing on the wildlife and Gulf businesses instead of the 11 people who died on the rig!" and "Those workers need to be mourned and shit like the coal miners". I'm sorry that 11 people died and I am very sorry for their families. Their deaths, however, do not erase the ongoing disaster. They were oil rig workers, known to be up there on the most dangerous jobs list. They knew there was a risk.

So now, those same type of people are blaming 12 dead people for being washed away by a flash flood while camping! Like "They shouldn't have been camping there" Um WTF? It was a campground! The river rose 23 ft overnight and the flood hit them at 5:30 am

I dunno, I just don't get these right wing types and how they prioritize and what exactly they mean by "personal responsibility". The oil rig workers have no personal responsibility for being on an oil platform in the Gulf, apparently one where safety precautions were being neglected, but campers are responsible for their own deaths because they were camping and it rained a lot?

[lisarea]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I dunno, I just don't get these right wing types and how they prioritize and what exactly they mean by "personal responsibility". The oil rig workers have no personal responsibility for being on an oil platform in the Gulf, apparently one where safety precautions were being neglected, but campers are responsible for their own deaths because they were camping and it rained a lot?

There's obviously some political motivation there. They want to focus on the oil rig workers because a) it draws attention away from the environmental impact, and b) because there's some kind of maudlin math going on, wherein compassion is a zero sum game. So you have to wail and moan, say, 1000x more over the death of a human than you do over the death of a bird. The differences between things we CAN do something about vs. things we can't doesn't seem to enter into the equation. Maybe that's politically motivated, too.

As far as the campers, I think that's largely self-preservation. The commenters are very likely not oil rig workers, and probably don't know anyone who is, so dying in an oil rig accident is not something they have to worry about. A flash flood, however, is a risk to them, as it is to just about anyone. So they're looking for ways to deny that it poses a danger to them. All too often, people blame victims for their circumstances as a way of convincing themselves that they, personally, are exempt. This is very likely why female jurors, for example, are perceived as being harsher judges of rape victims than male ones. (I don't know if this is true in reality, but it's a commonly held notion.) They want to suss out some reason to distinguish themselves--they're looking for something the victim did that they personally would not do, so that they can convince themselves that it's not going to happen to them.

Flash floods, similarly, pose a risk to pretty much anyone. It's a real (not significant, really, but that's another fallacy there) danger to anyone just out doing normal stuff. So people are actively looking for things to distinguish themselves from the victims.

[Adam]

Probably worth more than two minutes', but I'm too lazy to make a thrad:

Gulf News

Shockingly, despite the disaster's magnitude, the Indian judiciary has awarded a meagre sentence of just two years' imprisonment for causing "death by negligence" to the convicted former Union Carbide India Limited Chairman Keshub Mahindra and seven other senior Indian executives. Worse, all seven applied for — and were granted — bail immediately after their sentencing on Monday.

Apart from the grossly inadequate quantum of punishment, what rankles Indians most is the fact that the case's chief accused — Warren Anderson, now 89, the erstwhile UCC chairman at the Bhopal plant — is still at large. The former UCC honcho — currently living on Long Island in a luxury villa — has skilfully evaded arrest despite two warrants being issued against him, the last in July 2009."

[Watser?]

Originally Posted by lisarea

Flash floods, similarly, pose a risk to pretty much anyone. It's a real (not significant, really, but that's another fallacy there) danger to anyone just out doing normal stuff. So people are actively looking for things to distinguish themselves from the victims.

Hmmm, there is an element of personal responsibility involved in some ways, though not in this case. But in some cases people build their houses in a place where there is a relatively great risk of flooding, knowing full well about the risks and in some cases even bribing officials into looking the other way. I know this happens here, people building houses on the wrong side of the 'winter dike' - I don't know how they get away with it - which is the overflow area of the river. I heard the same stories about Poland, where flooding has happened regularly in the past years.