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Old 09-23-2019, 08:29 PM
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Default Karen memes are pro-Trump propaganda: Fight me.

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this briefly before, but I'm going to mention it not-briefly now because holy shit, these memes have infiltrated just about everywhere, including supposedly progressive and left-leaning places, and holy shit, I don't get how nobody seems to notice that these memes are explicitly and virulently misogynistic.

Here is Time magazine just today reporting on a bunch of 'humorous' tweets about Tropical Storm Karen, and providing a helpful explanation of the joke for those who weren't already familiar with it.

The stereotype of the annoying, entitled middle aged woman existed before Trump and before the Women's March and before women started running for office in record numbers to do their part to counter Trump. People have always been dismissive of women, especially women they consider past fuckable.

So there's always been a stereotype threat hanging over women's heads right around the same age that men start being perceived as sage and experienced. But I have never seen that stereotype so saturated before. It's usually been limited to MRAs and sometimes customer service forums where retail workers post exaggerated stories about them owning customers.

But it's everywhere now, along with the 'ask to speak to your manager' haircut memes and even the outsized representation of "Becky" in jokes about racist white people. Hell, there isn't even really an agreed-upon name for a panicky racist white man. But it was panicky racist white men who called the cops who murdered Tamir Rice and John Crawford, which I only remember because I had to correct people about those ones. And of course, it was panicky racist white men who murdered them, too. I've seen them called Chad, but that's just a repurposed incel meme. (To be clear, I don't mind there being memes about panicky racist white women. I mind that there's no readily recognizable one for panicky racist white men.)

I am not saying that these memes originated or have been perpetuated directly by pro-Trump operatives. Maybe it was organic. Maybe there was a swell of toxic misogyny that was just ready to burst in virtually every segment of society, and women brought it to a head by becoming more visible and politically active after Trump's election.

But I also wouldn't be one bit surprised if, somewhere during Trump's second term, it comes to light that these jokes and memes were specifically planted by Russian operatives to discredit his opponents.

Either way, intentionally planted or organic, they are pro-Trump propaganda and there is a very good chance they'll get him reelected.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:26 AM
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Scumbag Steve is fairly equivalent to Karen. He's more confident than Karen - not just a walking roadblock, he's usually glimpsed leaving problems on the way out - but they're both thoughtless, self-absorbed asshats who ruin everything by breaking unspoken rules and getting away with it.
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OK Karen.

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Old 09-24-2019, 12:05 PM
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Scumbag Steve is fairly equivalent to Karen. He's more confident than Karen - not just a walking roadblock, he's usually glimpsed leaving problems on the way out - but they're both thoughtless, self-absorbed asshats who ruin everything by breaking unspoken rules and getting away with it.
Hmm, but not quite the same: Scumbag Steve is (by image at least, if not in every single meme) young. What pea's talking about is more specifically marginalising mature* women.

Mature = good when applied to men, riddled with extra questions when applied to women.
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:00 PM
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I don't think I've seen Scumbag Steve in the wild in years, though, and it never reached the point where the name Steve could be used as a generic slur like this:

36 Karens Agree: Requiring Schoolkids To Be Vaccinated Is EXACTLY Like Jim Crow - Wonkette

That story there illustrates that the Karen meme can be used to dismiss and deride pretty much any woman speaking out, and that it's infiltrated even supposedly progressiveish, feminist-leaning circles. Those women are mostly younger, so it's not just limited to an intersectional gender + age thing anymore. It's just women now, possibly just white women, but I'm not even 100% sure on that.

In the context of the Wonkette story, yes, they are being stupid and horrible on a number of counts. But different people have different ideas about what's stupid and horrible. People have pretty hostile notions about their opponents on issues of women's health care, the environment, sexual violence, police shootings, gun rights, and lots of other things like that. And now, if those opponents are women, they have a handy, widely recognized meme that conjures up the image of a demanding, ridiculous woman who can and should be ignored and dismissed.

The whole "speak to your manager" interpretation is bad enough. (It's both a self-fulfilling prophesy AND a serious stereotype threat.) But it's become so widely and generically applied that it has morphed into a general perception that women are stupid, shrill, and entitled, and they should shut the fuck up and be more agreeable. That is a very very bad, very dangerous idea to be bubbling to the surface, especially right now.
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can I see an example of a meme? I guess a few more I mean.
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is that Wonkette a satire site? boy, now I know why I avoid all things electronic anymore. Paperbacks are my best friends.
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