Go Back   Freethought Forum > The Marketplace > History & Geography

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-27-2006, 10:38 AM
Dingfod's Avatar
Dingfod Dingfod is offline
A fellow sophisticate
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cowtown, Kansas
Gender: Male
Blog Entries: 21
Images: 92
Default Christian Zealots Destroy Ancient Arctic Petroglyphs

Canada's only major Arctic petroglyph site, a 1500-year old gallery of mysterious faces carved into soapstone on a tiny island off of Quebec's northern coast has been ransacked by vandals. The region's top archeologist suspects it was done by devout Christians from a nearby Inuit community.

The petroglyph site has been called "the Island of the Stone Devils" because some of the faces appear to be adorned with horns. Previously, crosses have been scratched on the petroglyphs. Some area residents have told researchers they believe the site is inhabited by evil spirits.

Robert Frechette, director of the nearby Pingualuit provincial park in the Nunavik region of northern QuebecI first visited the island 12 years ago and I can see that every time it's deteriorated, describing how tourist looting and natural erosion of the site's soft soapstone first prompted preservation proposals in the 1990s. But this time I was quite amazed. Someone has taken some parts of the rock away. There's graffiti. And someone has been carving with an axe or something sharp in the grooves of the faces. It's pretty bad.


Daniel Gendron, chief archeologist with the Inukjuak-based Avataq Cultural Institute, the key promoter of indigenous history and identity in NunavikThe latest vandalism at Qajartalik follows the pattern of previous attacks by members of a very strong movement of conservative Christians in Kangiqsujuaq and several other Inuit communities in northern Quebec.


Kangiqsujuaq's mayor, Mary PilurtuutI hadn't been informed of fresh damage at the site and doubt something religious would have been involved. Recently, it's not the case, suggesting that most of the deterioration at the site has been caused by nature.


Surprising how little difference there is between Christian extremists and Muslim extremists.
__________________
Sleep - the most beautiful experience in life - except drink.--W.C. Fields
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-27-2006, 01:53 PM
livius drusus's Avatar
livius drusus livius drusus is offline
Admin of THIEVES and SLUGABEDS
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: LVCCCLXXII
Images: 5
Default Re: Christian Zealots Destroy Ancient Arctic Petroglyphs

Ugh. That's vile. Soapstone is so easy to damage too. It wouldn't take much more than a pocket knife to permanently scar the petroglyhps.

The evidence of "Christian extremist" culpability is pretty tenuous, though (way too tenuous to justify the title of the article/thread), nor do I get your comparison to Muslim extremists. You mean like the Taliban destroying those Buddhas? Because if so the difference between the two acts strikes me as large, not little.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-27-2006, 06:57 PM
Julie's Avatar
Julie Julie is offline
Crumbs Sockpuppet
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Gender: Female
Posts: MMCCCXLIX
Default Re: Christian Zealots Destroy Ancient Arctic Petroglyphs

I don't get the comparison either. While both were tradgic there are comming from vastly different places.

This destruction is more thank likely done while under the influence of alcohol or glue (Huffing is a huge problem in the inuit communities, as well as sucide)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-27-2006, 11:43 PM
Dingfod's Avatar
Dingfod Dingfod is offline
A fellow sophisticate
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cowtown, Kansas
Gender: Male
Blog Entries: 21
Images: 92
Default Re: Christian Zealots Destroy Ancient Arctic Petroglyphs

Quote:
Originally Posted by livius drusus
Ugh. That's vile. Soapstone is so easy to damage too. It wouldn't take much more than a pocket knife to permanently scar the petroglyhps.

The evidence of "Christian extremist" culpability is pretty tenuous, though (way too tenuous to justify the title of the article/thread), nor do I get your comparison to Muslim extremists. You mean like the Taliban destroying those Buddhas? Because if so the difference between the two acts strikes me as large, not little.
I suppose the evidence is a little scant. I didn't start out with that as a title and don't remember why I changed it. As for the comparison, if it is true that Christians defaced the petroglyphs, it is only one of scale, the intent is similar.
__________________
Sleep - the most beautiful experience in life - except drink.--W.C. Fields
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-28-2006, 02:46 PM
Clutch Munny's Avatar
Clutch Munny Clutch Munny is offline
Clutchenheimer
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
Posts: VMMMXCII
Images: 1
Default Re: Christian Zealots Destroy Ancient Arctic Petroglyphs

The chief archaeologist does allude to previous attacks by the conservative Christians as facts in evidence.

The differences with the Taliban are large, but the public perception of the differences are larger still. So, a point worth making, in my view, though with appropriate epistemic caution. (I betray my custom user title, I suppose.)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-28-2006, 04:53 PM
livius drusus's Avatar
livius drusus livius drusus is offline
Admin of THIEVES and SLUGABEDS
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: LVCCCLXXII
Images: 5
Default Re: Christian Zealots Destroy Ancient Arctic Petroglyphs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch Munny
The chief archaeologist does allude to previous attacks by the conservative Christians as facts in evidence.
Previous attacks involved Christian-specific defacements (crosses carved into the petrogylphs, for instance). If this one does, it's not mentioned in the article. It's all very vague, so from my perspective, the facts in evidence are considerably more limited than from the archaeologist's.

Besides, as Julie notes, even if the vandals did come from that particular community, assuming a specifically religious motivation rather than drunkenness or assholery is still something of a leap.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch Munny
The differences with the Taliban are large, but the public perception of the differences are larger still.
Is it? I'm not sure how I'd go about quantifying public perception of the differences between extremist Islam and extremist Christianity, but then again, my custom title is just a usergroup function.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-28-2006, 06:24 PM
Clutch Munny's Avatar
Clutch Munny Clutch Munny is offline
Clutchenheimer
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
Posts: VMMMXCII
Images: 1
Default Re: Christian Zealots Destroy Ancient Arctic Petroglyphs

Quote:
Originally Posted by livius drusus
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch Munny
The chief archaeologist does allude to previous attacks by the conservative Christians as facts in evidence.
Previous attacks involved Christian-specific defacements (crosses carved into the petrogylphs, for instance). If this one does, it's not mentioned in the article.
I'm saying that the previous attacks in themselves serve as noteworthy cases even if the present one was not committed by Christians.

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch Munny
The differences with the Taliban are large, but the public perception of the differences are larger still.
Is it?
Sure. In a similar vein I'd say the differences between, say, the Crusader butchery in the Levant and the current persecution of Christians in Iraq are also enormous, but the latter too is a point worth making to someone expounding on the former in, say, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

Quote:
I'm not sure how I'd go about quantifying public perception of the differences between extremist Islam and extremist Christianity, but then again, my custom title is just a usergroup function.
It might be hard to quantify, but it wouldn't be terribly difficult to investigate whether North Americans associate the vandalizing of other religions' monuments more with Islam than with Christianity.
Reply With Quote
Reply

  Freethought Forum > The Marketplace > History & Geography


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

 

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Page generated in 0.51099 seconds with 15 queries