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In evenly split Ohio, redistricting gives GOP 12-4 edge in congressional seats | cleveland.com
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:53 PM
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Ohio Republicans have made the redistricting process work to their advantage in recent years after gaining full control of the process in both 2000 and 2010.
The voters elected these people, what is the problem?

Shall we select people for state office by registered voters or something?
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:56 AM
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Should of had them vote additionally for congress.

Cuyahoga County Results: http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_boe...byPrecinct.HTM

Precinct 350 – 183.2% voter turnout
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Don't forget to mention,
Registered voters 927,996
Total Ballets cast 617,141
P350 registered voters 322 Total Ballots cast 590 Ballots that were blank 70
p350 certainly swung the election.
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:14 AM
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I wouldn't worry about it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:47 AM
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Why are we supposed to assume that there is voter fraud there as opposed to people casting provisional ballots who did not submit change of address forms in time?

Get some real evidence first.
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:10 AM
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The voters elected these people, what is the problem?

Shall we select people for state office by registered voters or something?
State Issue 2, which failed, would have resulted in the appointment of a bipartisan commission that would have redrawn the districts. Problem with that approach is that the commission would not be accountable to the voters and once appointed, members could remain on the commission indefinitely at state expense, plus spending tax dollars with no accountability to the voters, just to the general assembly. Nice work if you can get it.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:12 PM
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Lest anyone believe the bullshit about how the gerrymandering is responsible for the GOP's popular House vote loss...

2012 is an outlier with a historic gap between the popular vote margin and the resulting House composition:



There has been gerrymandering before, but this may be the most effective yet.

And no, it doesn't depress turnout in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania and North Carolina, where there was a close presidential race in all three, and two senatorial races and a gubernatorial race among them. Gerrymandering should not cause those states to have reduced turnout in non-competitive districts, because people's turnout is much more affected by senate, governor and president.
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Ohio's map:

http://media.cleveland.com/open_impa...6158-large.jpg
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:22 PM
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Which of those districts could have been gerrymandered to get more Dem seats?

In the 9th you could move 50,000 dem votes to the 5th and 4th each ... that would make all three districts competitive.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:28 PM
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:21 PM
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Apparently you don't know how it works. You need to move dem votes into rep districts to get more dems elected to congress.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
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I think it's pretty easy to see that districts 1, 2 and 8 are drawn to dilute the Democratic vote from Cincinnati. The districts around Cleveland and Akron are also drawn so that the central urban areas of two cities are in one tightly packed district and then the districts around them dilute the rest of the cities/liberal inner suburbs.

It's not really mysterious nor does it require insidious gerrymandering to undo it.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:06 PM
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No, district 8 had a 230,000 advantage in votes for the reps, so moving those votes to another district would not help the dems win any seats.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:09 PM
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Districts 1 and 2 were won by the reps by 60-40, how would you change that to get a seat for the dems?

385,000 reps votes vs 256,000 dem votes ..

Btw, Cincinnati thinks it is Kentucky.
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Gee, Jerome must be right, the fact that they drew little wriggly things into Cincinnati to divide the city in three must be because they knew Cincinnati was a Republican stronghold :troll:

They really wanted Cincinnati to overpower the rural Democrats all around it, right?
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Maybe you can see better on this map:

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Which district do you think Cincinnati should be in, District 1 or District 2?
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Your trolling is improving.

A few months ago you were really weaksauce. :troll::halftroll:
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Maybe you can see better on this map:

I feel bad for the good people of Sandusky County. Also Licking.
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Wayne County! I have a 7" by Wayne County and the Electric Chairs.
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Probably a different Wayne County. Detroit is also in Wayne County and I suspect (or vaguely remember) the band is from Detroit.
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