why we should all ignore the cocksucker - Page 2

Skep · #26 05-17-2005, 05:52 PM

It was at JREF, a couple years ago, shortly before they got banned. Someone always eventually replies. It is a law of nature.

LadyShea · #27 05-17-2005, 05:56 PM

Done, his thread too

latinijral · #28 05-17-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skep

It was at JREF, a couple years ago, shortly before they got banned. Someone always eventually replies. It is a law of nature.

And that someone is............................you?

:wave:

Corona688 · #29 05-17-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by livius drusus

That thread should have died a month ago, Crumb. Just let it go.

It will not die. He's infesting other threads now but we're replying there, and that seems to be keeping him away from the actual content, more or less.

livius drusus · #30 05-17-2005, 07:10 PM

It's not containing him, though, and I believe that is intentional on his part. A genuine community effort to ignore him is at least worth a shot, I think.

Corona688 · #31 05-17-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by livius drusus

He's easy to ignore, Crumb. Just try. Otherwise we might as well toss this whole experiment out the window. :badday:

Then throw it out the window. Or it's only going to get worse. Some people are just assholes and shouldn't be allowed to post.

Corona688 · #32 05-17-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by livius drusus

It's not containing him, though, and I believe that is intentional on his part. A genuine community effort to ignore him is at least worth a shot, I think.

It won't work. He's already poisoning threads that have nothing to do with him and get no replies, and it's not getting better. He'll continue escalating until he ruins this board, replies or not, and the longer we wait the more you'll have to violate your hands-off nonmoderation to get rid of him.

Crumb · #33 05-17-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Corona688

It won't work. He'll continue escalating until he ruins this board, replies or not, and the longer we wait the more you'll have to violate your hands-off nonmoderation to get rid of him.

Let him freak out. When replies dry up, he will get bored. It may take awhile, but he will find his next board to troll.

Corona688 · #34 05-17-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumb

Let him freak out. When replies dry up, he will get bored. It may take awhile, but he will find his next board to troll.

By then everyone else will be bored of this place too. "Let him pee on us" is not a viable answer.

Crumb · #35 05-17-2005, 07:19 PM

We should at least give it a shot, eh?

livius drusus · #36 05-17-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Corona688

It won't work. He's already poisoning threads that have nothing to do with him and get no replies, and it's not getting better. He'll continue escalating until he ruins this board, replies or not, and the longer we wait the more you'll have to violate your hands-off nonmoderation to get rid of him.

We'll see. I don't see why a longer wait will entail more violations of our current policies, and since we as a board have yet to deploy all those ignore features we built into the forum, I have no reason to assume your pessimism is justified.

Corona688 · #37 05-17-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumb

We should at least give it a shot, eh?

Why? We know his modus operandi, so we know this will not work. Let's do something that will.

livius drusus · #38 05-17-2005, 07:21 PM

And what's that, Corona? Respond to every lame insult he makes in kind?

Crumb · #39 05-17-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Corona688

so we know this will not work.

I don't think we really know this.

Corona688 · #40 05-17-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by livius drusus

We'll see. I don't see why a longer wait will entail more violations of our current policies, and since we as a board have yet to deploy all those ignore features we built into the forum, I have no reason to assume your pessimism is justified.

Imagine a random web-lurker coming along and browsing threads here, fnding them full of porn, insults, spam and worse -- all of which nobody seems to see but him. Imagine the flame trail left as he backpedals away with great gusto.

Ignore features are great for unresolvable disagreements, but this jerks's a forumwide disaster.

wei yau · #41 05-17-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Corona688

It won't work. He's already poisoning threads that have nothing to do with him and get no replies, and it's not getting better. He'll continue escalating until he ruins this board, replies or not, and the longer we wait the more you'll have to violate your hands-off nonmoderation to get rid of him.

I'm don't have him on ignore. I've read some of his posts. And yet, I do not feel that my experience in this forum has been ruined or harmed in any significant way. I don't expect that to change no matter how often he posts or how many of his posts I read.

I think that the forum community is doing just fine with or without him. I don't see a need to change the forum philosophy with regards to moderation.

Corona688 · #42 05-17-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eldar

I'm don't have him on ignore. I've read some of his posts. And yet, I do not feel that my experience in this forum has been ruined or harmed in any significant way. I don't expect that to change no matter how often he posts or how many of his posts I read.

Having seen him kill at least two threads already, I'm going to have to disagree on this one.

viscousmemories · #43 05-17-2005, 07:26 PM

I know if I was starved for attention I'd hang out at a forum where my thread in the Philosophy forum was the second most popular thread in there. Where every little nonsensical peep I make garners a handful of enthustiastic responses. Where whole threads are devoted to discussing me.

If anyone would rather stop coming to the FF than click "Ignore this user" on someone they find offensive or obnoxious, then I really don't know what to say to that. But we're not about to implement moderation or start agreeing to ban people because of one or two irritating posters. I think history is crystal clear on where forums that adopt that administration strategy end up.

Corona688 · #44 05-17-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumb

I don't think we really know this.

Perhaps. I do not think it is worth it. How long will it take before he gets bored? Days? Weeks? Months? During which he'll be spewing unmoderated vitrol all over the place at an increasing pace. And even then he might come back habitually because gee, golly, he can still post -- we're not banning him! What suckers for punishment we are. It's not worth it. Ban him now.

Crumb · #45 05-17-2005, 07:27 PM

Well I understand your point corona688, but I think you are jumping the gun here. None of us can predict his reaction. Go ahead and do what you like though, it certainly will be a true test of the "system" because not all users will ever take the same action even against such an obvious troll.

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Originally Posted by Corona688

Having seen him kill at least two threads already

But the real question is if he would have killed those thread if most folks posting in them had him on ignore.

Corona688 · #46 05-17-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by viscousmemories

If anyone would rather stop coming to the FF than click "Ignore this user" on someone they find offensive or obnoxious, then I really don't know what to say to that.

You're speaking to one. He'd still be spewing offal and ruining threads left and right even if I had him on ignore; there's no point in ignoring him unless we can get ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE to ignore him, including nonregistered lurkers.

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But we're not about to implement moderation or start agreeing to ban people because of one or two irritating posters. I think history is crystal clear on where forums that adopt that administration strategy end up.

Do you suppose we could make him 'invisible'? Make a special group you have to opt-in to see any of his posts. And I don't mean this "ignore" where you still see placeholders for every message, I mean really invisible.

MooseIBe · #47 05-17-2005, 07:31 PM

Well, I've just encountered him in one of my threads and, as yet, he has troubled me not one whit

. There's no intelligence, wit or interest in the things he says so there's no reason to pay them any mind. Random insults from a person who doesn't know me don't bother me at all.

LadyShea · #48 05-17-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Corona688

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Originally Posted by Crumb

I don't think we really know this.

Perhaps. I do not think it is worth it. How long will it take before he gets bored? Days? Weeks? Months? During which he'll be spewing unmoderated vitrol all over the place at an increasing pace. And even then he might come back habitually because gee, golly, he can still post -- we're not banning him! What suckers for punishment we are. It's not worth it. Ban him now.

If he is ignored, he can't harm or kill threads. That's the point. I don't want to ban people, that makes them a martyr.

Corona688 · #49 05-17-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumb

Well I understand your point corona688, but I think you are jumping the gun here. None of us can predict his reaction. Go ahead and do what you like though, it certainly will be a true test of the "system" because not all users will ever take the same action even against such an obvious troll.

Thank you for making my point for me. You've just admitted ignoring him will not work.

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Originally Posted by Corona688

Having seen him kill at least two threads already

But the real question is if he would have killed those thread if most folks posting in them had him on ignore.

Irrelevant, since we're talking about stuff that actually happened here, not stuff that never will. Unregistered lurkers in particular, though not exactly posters, do not have the ability to ignore him.

Corona688 · #50 05-17-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyShea

If he is ignored, he can't harm or kill threads.

I disagree. Even if we ignore him, he is still making a mess, a mess fully visible to anyone who doesn't have ignore features, i.e. lurkers. Imagine how awful he could make this place if we ignored him let him run unchallenged.