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Most of The Good Place belongs in this thrad.
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My inner sceptic had to check this. In fact, date palms begin to bear fruit at 3 to 5 years, and are fully mature at 12 years.[22][23]
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Most of The Good Place belongs in this thrad.
I can't break it down on the philosophical level - I'm p ignorant on the subject. Alls I know is The Good Place if forking hilarious.
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I wouldn't say that all of the show really explores or demonstrates philosophical concepts, although some episodes do, and give some background on various philosophical ideas through Chidi.

BUT they do make a lot of references to philosophers and things.
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Since it ſeemeth we are juſte poſtinge random Bible lulz here, I'm going to Throwe in this paage from Gaiman and the dearly mied Pratchett that hath probably made me Laughe at leaſte as muche as anythinge elſe in Literature. I'm ſure many uſers of this Meage Boarde have ſeen it before, but it deſerveth a Repoſte regardlee.

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The book was commonly known as the Buggre Alle This Bible. The lengthy compositor’s error, if such it may be called, occurs in the book of Ezekiel, chapter 48, verse five:

2. And bye the border of Dan, fromme the east side to the west side, a portion for Aſher.
3. And bye the border of Aſher, fromme the east side even untoe the west side, a portion for Naphtali.
4. And bye the border of Naphtali, from the east side untoe the west side, a portion for Manaſſeh.
5. Buggre Alle this for a Larke. I amme sick to mye Hart of typeſettinge. Master Biltonn iſ no Gentelmann, and Master Scagges noe more than a tighte fisted Southwarke Knobbeſticke. I telle you, onne a daye laike thiſ Ennywone with half an oz. of Sense should bee oute in the Sunneshain, ane nott Stucke here alle the liuelong daie inn thiſ mowldey olde By-Our-Lady Workeſhoppe. @ *"@;!*
6 And bye the border of Ephraim, from the east ſide even untoe the west ſide, a portion for Reuben.

[The Buggre Alle This Bible was also noteworthy for having twenty seven verses in the third chapter of Genesis, instead of the more usual twenty four.

They followed verse 24, which in the King James version reads:

“So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life,” and read:

25 And the Lord spake unto the Angel that guarded the eastern gate, saying Where is the flaming sword which was given unto thee?
26 And the Angel said, I had it here only a moment ago, I must have put it down some where, forget my own head next.
27 And the Lord did not ask him again.

It appears that these verses were inserted during the proof stage. In those days it was common practice for printers to hang proof sheets to the wooden beams outside their shops, for the edification of the populace and some free proofreading, and since the whole print run was subsequently burned anyway, no one bothered to take up this matter with the nice Mr. A. Ziraphale, who ran the bookshop two doors along and was always so helpful with the translations, and whose handwriting was instantly recognizable.]
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It's a pain to input on my phone, though.[/spoiler]
That iſ what ſhe hath ſaid.
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My inner pedant feeleth compelled to butt in here. For what it is worth, it ſeemeth the ſtandard practiſe was not to use the long s at the ends of words. It also was not common practiſe to use two long ſ's in a row, ſo you would get Meſsage inſtead of Meſſage. This resulted in the creation of the ligature, which is ſtill in common uſage in German but hath been abandoned in Engliſh. (It can also be a ligature for ſz, which is why German ſpeakers refer to the character as an Eſzet. However, even in German it uſually appeareth to be uſed to replace ſs.)

A few other ligatures were common in Early Modern Engliſh typeſetting, ſuch as ſt, ſi, and ſl. There actually is a Unicode character for ſt (ſt), which I ſimply did not uſe in my poſt above becauſe many people's phones probably do not have it inſtalled, and it alſo is not even included in Verdana, the font uſed on this meſsage board, ſo it ſtandeth out from the reſt of the text on the meſsage board and maketh the ſpacing ugly, as well as looking ſlightly ſtupid as a reſult.

Pratchett and Gaiman were not actually completely conſiſtent with Early Modern Engliſh uſage in their placement of the ſ character, but in this caſe I think ſome of this may have been part of the joke, as the character reſponſible for the ſo-called "compoſitor's error" maketh ſeveral other ſpelling and grammar miſtakes, even bearing in mind the lax ſpelling ſtandards of Early Modern Engliſh (again, as alluded to above, Samuel Johnſon was reſponſible for much of Modern Engliſh orthography as the creator of the firſt major Engliſh dictionary, and then Noah Webſter truly codified it). On the other hand, Agnes Nutter, whoſe uſage is leſs queſtionable by Early Modern Engliſh ſtandards, also useth the ſ character at the ends of words.

In any caſe, the appropriate reſponſe ſhould actually be "That is what ſhe hath ſaid."

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Verily, I didſt ponder upon the 'ſ' in 'is', but mine inner pedant prevailed not.
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I can't help but read long-s as if it has a lisping quality to it. It's like the orthographical equivalent of a lisp.

Personally, I'm glad we got rid of it. I'd also be cool with getting rid of most of the idiosyncratic complications of English spelling. At a minimum I see no reason to prefer "orthography" to "orthografy" (Spanish does just fine with ortografa)... there are plenty of simplifications which wouldn't upend the entire system (simplifications to consonants would be much easier than fixing the vowels for a number of reasons).
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I think a large part of the reaſon I like ſ is becauſe it conſerves ſpace (and for that matter, probably ink). I'm a big fan of conſerving thoſe things. I alſo find the archaiſm charming. I ſuſpect a large part of the reaſon it went away is that it can be eaſy to confuſe with f at a glance, though.

I wouldn't mind ſpelling reform overall, but I ſuſpect it would confuſe people even more than they already are. I like Spaniſh orthography, as there iſn't nearly as much there to confuſe people (although ſomehow, even native ſpeakers ſtill make a ſurpriſing number of ſpelling miſtakes, as I ſee all the time at my work, but it's moſtly juſt confuſing c with s or leaving out/adding ſilent h's). Engliſh orthography as it is is a complete meſs, with ſpellings that don't match at all. The old 'ghoti' being pronounced as 'fiſh' thing comes to mind.

But if we tried to ſtraighten it all out, that would carry with it its own problems. People are bad enough at ſpelling as it is. They would have a ſeriouſly difficult time training themſelves to get uſed to the new ſpellings. Seeing "orthografy" inſtead of "orthography" wouldn't be that big a deal - even ſeeing, ſay, "orthografi" would be manageable. But I'd never be able to train myſelf to get uſed to ſome other words. "Enuf", even though it would be a much more ſenſible ſpelling than "enough", would juſt look wrong to me even if it were declared the new official ſpelling. Since Engliſh ſpelling is ſuch a meſs that (if I had to eſtimate) at leaſt half its words would probably end up undergoing reform, it would eſsentially mean people would have to retrain themſelves to read the language, and in a country where many people are already functionally illiterate, that's no mean taſk.

The other major obſtacle is that there's no body that regulates the Engliſh language, as there is with other languages that have undergone orthography reform (German is the example that comes moſt readily to mind, but I'm ſure there are plenty of otherſ). Even if ſpecific countries could ſomehow reform their ſpellings, I don't ſee how you could poſsibly hope to come to an agreement on univerſal ſpelling reform. As a reſult, you'd probably get a vaſtly larger number of different ſpellings between countries than you currently have (as it ſtands, the number of differently ſpelled words is pretty ſmall, and the ſpelling differences are inſubſtantial enough to render them mutually comprehenſible, but after an orthography reform, this would no longer neceſsarily ſtill be true). This in turn would probably haſten the decline of Engliſh as the worldwide lingua franca, ſince it would become vaſtly leſs comprehenſible. (At this rate we'll probably all be ſpeaking Mandarin in 30 years anyway, but I'd ſtill like to ſpend as long as poſsible with an alphabet that has fewer than 300 characters to memoriſe.)

I mean, ſmall alterations to Engliſh wouldn't be a big deal. I ſuſpect no one had a difficult time reading this poſt deſpite all the ſs in it. But large ſpelling reformſ? I'm going to dinner for now, but at ſome point I'll try altering a whole paragraph to phonetic ſpelling to demonſtrate how much longer it'll probably take people to read.

Ultimately, ſpelling reform ſeems a bit like the Dvorak keyboard or Eſperanto to me. A nice idea in theory, but people have the current ſpellings ſo ingrained in their mind, and they're ſuch a meſs, that changing over would probably require more effort than it's worth.


edit: OK, trying to ſpell my ſecond paragraph with conſiſtent phonetic ſpelling and ſee how it comes out. I'm uſing an acute accent to represent long vowel ſounds (I was tempted to use macrons, as is done in Hepburn romaniſation of Japaneſe, but they're a pain in the aſs to input), and I'm alſo adding the ſchwa to the Engliſh alphabet because otherwiſe I can't come up with a conſiſtent orthography. Even then, I doubt the vowel ſounds are all that conſiſtent.

wudnət mnd ſpeling rform ovəral, but ſuſpect it wud kənfz ppəl vən mor than th alrad r. lke Spaniſh orthograf, az ther izənt nrl as much ther t kənfz ppəl (alth ſumhow, vən ntiv ſpkərz ſtil mk ſurprzng numbər ov spelng mistks, az s al thə tme at m wərk, bət its mstl just kənfzng c with s or lvng out/adng slent h's). nglish orthograf az it iz iz ə kəmplte mes, with spelngz that dnt match at al. Th old 'ghoti' bng prnouncəd as 'fish' thng kəmz t mnd.

Like I ſaid, I doubt I was anywhere near conſiſtent in there, and I don't want to look at it ever again, even now that I'm ſeeing it without the red ſpelling error marks. Granted, you ſuggested leaving out vowels from the reform, but even if I juſt 'corrected' the consonants to make them conſiſtent, it would ſtill be an eyeſore. (I'm tempted to do another verſion that uses IPA throughout to ſee what a completely conſiſtent verſion would have to look like. Maybe later.)

I mean, all that ſaid, Engliſh ſpelling is an eyeſore anyway. But it's our eyeſore, and we're all already uſed to it. Becauſe of that, it has its charm. Plus, it's the Engliſh of Orwell and Churchill. A rather large part of me would flinch to ſee Orwell rewritten in ſpelling that looks an awful lot like actual Newspeak.


Edit 2: All right, IPA now. Using Received Pronunciation where poſsible, moſtly becauſe American accents are ſo diverſe that I doubt the liſts I find would conſiſtently uſe the ſame accent. Alſo, I muſt concede that, in caſe you hadn't noticed, I have ſomething of a ſoft ſpot for moſt things Britiſh.

aɪ ˈwʊdn̩t maɪnd ˈspɛlɪŋ ɹəˈfɔɹm ovəɹˈɑl, bɐt aɪ səsˈpɛkt ɪt wʊd kənˈfjuːz ˈpiːpəl ˈiːvən ˈmɔː ən eɪ ɔːlˈɹɛdi ɑː(ɹ). aɪ laɪk ˈspn.ɪʃ ɔːˈθɒɡ.ɹə.fi, z ɛː(ɹ) ˈɪzənt ˈnɪəli əz mʌt͡ʃ ɛə(ɹ) tuː kənˈfjuːz ˈpiːpəl (ɔːlˈəʊ ˈsʌmhaʊ, ˈiːvən ˈneɪtɪv ˈspiːkəz stɪl meɪk ə səˈpɹaɪzɪŋ ˈnʌmbə əv ˈspɛlɪŋ mɪˈsteɪks, z aɪ siː ɔːl ə taɪm ət maɪ wɜːk, bʌt ɪts ˈməʊstli d͡ʒʌst kənˈfjuːzɪŋ c wɪ s ɔː(ɹ) ˈliːvɪŋ aʊt/ˈ.dɪŋ ˈsaɪlənt h's). ˈɪŋɡlɪʃ ɔːˈθɒɡ.ɹə.fi z ɪt ɪz ɪz ə kəmˈpliːt mɛs, wɪ ˈspɛlɪŋz ˈət dəʊnt mtʃ ət ɔːl. iː ˈəʊld 'ghoti' ˈbiːɪŋ pɹəˈnaʊnst z 'ˈfɪʃ' θɪŋ kʌmz tuː maɪnd.

...that actually iſn't as much of an eyeſore as I expected, but it looks even more like a foreign language than my paragraph above did. I think that might actually be why it's leſs of an eyeſore to me. It's definitely leſs immediately comprehenſible to me than the Greek or Cyrillic alphabets are; I know the conſonants of thoſe and have vague ideas of their vowel ſounds, but I have to think hard to figure out what nearly any of thoſe words above is meant to repreſent, apart from the really ſhort ones. I probably ſhould actually ſtudy IPA at ſome point given my intereſt in languages.
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