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Old 06-20-2016, 06:00 AM
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Ok I powered through your 30 minute video while cleaning, in part now you can't say no one watches the drivel you post (but I bet that won't stop you).

Along with what I previously posted, we get,
•1930s child psychiatry is the zenith.
•Shills a book he may be connected to.
•Points out that diagnosis of autism increased around the 1980s but fails to mention it's because it gained a better definition and acceptance in the diagnostic community.
•Again blames 'toxins' and 'chemicals'
•Point to Wakefield, in 2010 he admitted that he sees a bias of gastrointestinal cases, a bias he was unwilling to acknowledge when getting paid to blame vaccines.
•Oddly uses the term "mainstream" a lot, like a lot a lot, as if he knows he's seen as a quack and is trying to make it sound like modern medicine is on his side.
•Wow, he just claimed that the default idea is correlation equals causation and you must prove otherwise.
•Indirect point Wakefield, admits, although backhanded, that the MMR vaccine may be safe (or may not be).
•Haha wow! Do anti-vaxxers actually listen to their Gods? Wakefield just said he supports vaccines, just not MMR.
•Ah but now we're back to standard bullshit as he conflates the flu vaccine, a vaccine targeted at only a few of many influenza viruses as the same as vaccines which target the most common of other viruses.
•Amusement, he pronounces aluminum the american way then corrects himself.
•Apparently Somalia is extremely prone to show autism, but there's no word for autism in Somalia, but that's not cited as evidence it doesn't exist.
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Old 06-20-2016, 06:14 AM
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So many concerned parents who are concerned about MY CHILD doing their due diligence harassing a child

Including an appearance from peacegirl's Levi Quackenboss (false name!) attacking a 12 year old child.

peacegirl, what say you? Is this child part of a vaccines conspiracy?
How do you like being associated with these vicious, dishonest, brain-dead sociopaths, peacegirl? Do you enjoy, like them, being proudly and aggressively ignorant and uneducated, behaving like a weird, Kool Aid-drinking cultist (just see your own ludicrous avatar!), and holding in utter contempt science, reason, and rationality itself? Of course you do — the above describes you to a T! :lol:

Maybe you should get in touch with your fellow anti-vax nutters who are responsible for the deaths of many children, and pitch Daddy Dumb Ass’s book to them! Point them to the chapter on opposing vaccination that you wrote, pretending your father wrote it, and you’ll have them eating out of your hand! They’ll swallow the rest of the book like Kool Aid because like you they have no brains. Then maybe the miserable lot of you can get a room together and have a big brainless orgy. :monkeybuttsex:

Oh, and did you really get in touch with :richardnixon:? Have you sent him Papa Poo Poo’s book? Want me to email him and ask? :)

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Anti science fuck sticks should be forced to live without any benefits of science or society, like the cave people they are.
That is exactly what should happen to you, peacegirl. But then, we know you fraudulently sponge off the government dime, don’t you? :lol: After all, being a fraud is the defining characteristic of your life.
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:20 AM
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Way to take one for the team Ari - appreciated.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:13 PM
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Ok I powered through your 30 minute video while cleaning, in part now you can't say no one watches the drivel you post (but I bet that won't stop you).

Along with what I previously posted, we get,
•1930s child psychiatry is the zenith.
•Shills a book he may be connected to.
•Points out that diagnosis of autism increased around the 1980s but fails to mention it's because it gained a better definition and acceptance in the diagnostic community.
•Again blames 'toxins' and 'chemicals'
•Point to Wakefield, in 2010 he admitted that he sees a bias of gastrointestinal cases, a bias he was unwilling to acknowledge when getting paid to blame vaccines.
•Oddly uses the term "mainstream" a lot, like a lot a lot, as if he knows he's seen as a quack and is trying to make it sound like modern medicine is on his side.
•Wow, he just claimed that the default idea is correlation equals causation and you must prove otherwise.
•Indirect point Wakefield, admits, although backhanded, that the MMR vaccine may be safe (or may not be).
•Haha wow! Do anti-vaxxers actually listen to their Gods? Wakefield just said he supports vaccines, just not MMR.
•Ah but now we're back to standard bullshit as he conflates the flu vaccine, a vaccine targeted at only a few of many influenza viruses as the same as vaccines which target the most common of other viruses.
•Amusement, he pronounces aluminum the american way then corrects himself.
•Apparently Somalia is extremely prone to show autism, but there's no word for autism in Somalia, but that's not cited as evidence it doesn't exist.
CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK! For every single criticism you've pointed out, there are 10 positives. You're like everyone else here, trying to make him look stupid. Why would you bring up that he corrected the way he pronounced aluminum, as if this has anything to do with his findings? Furthermore, he never said he was anti-vaccine. He wants a "safe" vaccine. I would agree that until they know more about the possible connection with the MMR vaccine to regressive autism, they should treat it as if it's causation. Because he is biased by virtue of being a gastroenterologist, he referred to outside sources for confirmation. There's nothing wrong with that. You're picking on the usage of the word "mainstream" for no good reason. Weird. You're assuming that his only motivation in this whole thing is because he's getting paid. Lie lie lie. Attacking him because he wrote a book? Now he's shilling? So strange. More autism cases being just a better definition has been shot down. Do your homework. Naming toxins and chemicals does not in any way discredit him. Somalia may have lots of autism without a name for it. Some countries don't have a name for "frustration". Did you know that? And I am very frustrated right now with your behavior. :D

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Old 06-20-2016, 12:21 PM
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So where are those studies that confirm Mr. Wakefield's nonsense? Is it another case of imaginary future evidence? Will those 39 studies be published retroactively? I thought you didn't like time travel.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:52 PM
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until they know more about the possible connection with the MMR vaccine to regressive autism, they should treat it as if it's causation.
Ah the awesome logic of the anti-vaxxer: we cannot use the vaccine when we have not yet found a link, because a link might still exist despite the fact that we have no evidence for one. And if we DID find a link, we would of course have to stop using it too!

There might be a link between insulin and cancer... I guess we better stop using it until we find that link!

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He wants a "safe" vaccine.
But you don't believe in safe vaccines: you feel their stimulation of the immune system is one of the ways in which they cause harm, and that is intrinsic to how a vaccine works. You cannot have a vaccine that does not do that.

It is funny how you happily mix different mechanisms for harm: one minute they do harm because of the chemicals used to conserve it(lol you get more from a can of tuna), then it is over-stimulation of the immune system (lol ten minutes in a sand-pit stimulates the immune system more), then it is intestinal problems caused by measles virus from a vaccine in the gut leading to autism (wakefields idea)...

Which is it, exactly?
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:21 PM
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CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK!
:laugh:

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For every single criticism you've pointed out, there are 10 positives.
Unsubstantiated faith claim noted.

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You're like everyone else here, trying to make him look stupid.
Wakefield isn't stupid. He's quite adept at taking advantage of frightened, angry, impotent simpletons. Like you.

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Why would you bring up that he corrected the way he pronounced aluminum, as if this has anything to do with his findings?
It's funny is all. Simple-minded people such as yourself are easily awed by British accents and pronunciations. Wakefield seems quite cognizant of that phenomenon.

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Furthermore, he never said he was anti-vaccine. He wants a "safe" vaccine.
:nope:

He wants to do away with the MMR vaccine and replace it with three vaccines, presumably all made from secret Wakefield family recipes.

peacegirl, why do you want to add more vaccines to an already-overcrowded schedule? Do you hate white people that much?

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I would agree that until they know more about the possible connection with the MMR vaccine to regressive autism, they should treat it as if it's causation.
Of course you do. Your god said it, so it must be true.

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Because he is biased by virtue of being a gastroenterologist, he referred to outside sources for confirmation.
Andy Wakefield is not a gastroenterologist. :nope:

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You're assuming that his only motivation in this whole thing is because he's getting paid. Lie lie lie.
Hysterical emotion-based defense of a Jim Jones figure noted.

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Now he's shilling?
:laugh:

What do you mean, "now"?

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More autism cases being just a better definition has been shot down.
Nope. You only think it has.

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Do your homework.
:laugh:

Says the dipshit with an A.S.S. degree from Good Gopher College and a B.M. degree from the University of Facebook.

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Somalia may have lots of autism without a name for it.
And maybe invisible blue bunnies wearing velveteen gloves masturbate us to completion each night as we sleep. That should be the default position unless and until it's proven false.
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CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK!
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You would think that since Peacegirl does so much of it, she would recognize it when she sees it, except when she's seeing in efferent vision, then she just projects her own deficiency onto others. Sometimes those who are sick want to project their deficiency onto everyone else, so that they can feel normal.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:04 PM
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Ghostwriting allowed in top journals? :glare:


GMC Damning Wakefield Verdict Does Not Address Autism-Vaccine Validity

Dr. Andrew Wakefield has been a lightening rod for attacks by vaccine promoters ever since he published an article (Lancet, 1998) raising the possibility– though not claiming a finding of a causal link–between the onset of children’s chronic intestinal inflammation and pervasive developmental disorder following vaccination with the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.

He wrote, “We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. Further investigations are needed to examine this syndrome and its possible relation to this vaccine.”

During these twelve years Dr. Wakefield has been pilloried for daring to suggest that the MMR vaccine may not be safe.

During the same period, Dr. Wakefield published 32 peer-reviewed articles about children who suffered from both inflammatory bowel disease and severe developmental disorder. See list of publications: Thoughtful House – center for child health, education, and safety

A complaint filed by a Times of London reporter with the UK General Medical Council’s Fitness to Practise Panel (GMC) resulted in a two and a half year investigation, the most expensive ever conducted by the GMC.

On January 28, the GMC issued a damning verdict about the ethical conduct of the three doctors being investigated. Their finding of ethical breaches included: unnecessarily exposing children to invasive procedures: spinal taps and colonoscopies for research purposes; paying children at his son’s birthday party for blood samples; and undisclosed financial conflicts of interest. However, the GMC panel did NOT pass judgment on the validity of Dr. Wakefield’s research or his findings.

Of note, none of the parents of the 12 children in the study ever complained to the GMC. Indeed, the children’s parents issued a Public Statement in support of Dr. Wakefield, Prof. Murch, and Prof. Walker-Smith: “All of the investigations were carried out without distress to our children, many of whom made great improvements on treatment so that for the first time in
years they were finally pain free.”
See:
No Parent Ever Complained to GMC: Public Statement from Lancet Families Supports The MMR3 - AGE OF AUTISM

Neither the major media, nor science journalists seem to have taken notice of the fact that DHHS epidemiologists found a similar link between the measles vaccine and neurological impairment. A 1998 published report by government scientists (Weibel RE, Caserta V, Benor DE, Evans G.) who reviewed claims submitted to the U.S. National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program found:

“RESULTS: A total of 48 children, ages 10 to 49 months, met the inclusion criteria after receiving measles vaccine, alone or in combination. Eight children died, and the remainder had mental regression and retardation, chronic seizures, motor and sensory deficits, and movement disorders.
The onset of neurologic signs or symptoms occurred with a nonrandom, statistically significant distribution of cases on days 8 and 9.
No cases were identified after the administration of monovalent mumps or rubella vaccine.

CONCLUSIONS: This clustering suggests that a causal relationship between measles vaccine and encephalopathy may exist as a rare complication of measles immunization.”

See: Weibel RE, Caserta V, Benor DE, Evans G. Acute encephalopathy followed by permanent brain injury or death were associated with further attenuated measles vaccines: a review of claims submitted to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Pediatrics, 1998 Mar;101(3 Pt 1):383-7.
See: Anthrax Vaccine -- posts by Meryl Nass, M.D.: Measles vaccine can cause encephalopathy 8-9 days post injection/ DHHS
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And maybe invisible blue bunnies wearing velveteen gloves masturbate us to completion each night as we sleep. That should be the default position unless and until it's proven false.
How can they be blue if they are invisible? I am confused.

Wait, did you mean to imply that the bunnies are sad? Is it because they nightly labor in anonymity and never get thanked for their efforts? That would sure make me blue.
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until they know more about the possible connection with the MMR vaccine to regressive autism, they should treat it as if it's causation.
Ah the awesome logic of the anti-vaxxer: we cannot use the vaccine when we have not yet found a link, because a link might still exist despite the fact that we have no evidence for one.
There is evidence of a possible connection.

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And if we DID find a link, we would of course have to stop using it too!
Parents would have to weigh the benefits versus the risks, just like they do with everything else.

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There might be a link between insulin and cancer... I guess we better stop using it until we find that link!
You keep bringing this analogy up as if it's the same. It's not. If a child has type 1 diabetes where his pancreas are not producing insulin, he will die without a replacement. Of course, if there is an insulin shot that doesn't have as many preservatives, many parents would go that route.

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But you don't believe in safe vaccines: you feel their stimulation of the immune system is one of the ways in which they cause harm, and that is intrinsic to how a vaccine works. You cannot have a vaccine that does not do that.
I don't believe vaccines were responsible (as they claim) for the decline of horrific diseases throughout history because vaccines were introduced later. You can tell me the graphs are all wrong. Let me say this: If there was a serious epidemic going on, I would rethink getting my child vaccinated at that time. This is not a one size fits all by any means. And we certainly don't need a sledgehammer to kill a flea. The latest most aggressive vaccine schedule has not been thoroughly tested for safety.

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It is funny how you happily mix different mechanisms for harm: one minute they do harm because of the chemicals used to conserve it(lol you get more from a can of tuna), then it is over-stimulation of the immune system (lol ten minutes in a sand-pit stimulates the immune system more), then it is intestinal problems caused by measles virus from a vaccine in the gut leading to autism (wakefields idea)...

Which is it, exactly?
All of them. Wakefield's findings were related to one vaccine, the MMR, bowel inflammation, and regressive autism. My other argument about vaccines in general deals with the adjuvants. Eating tuna fish is completely different than getting mercury in a vaccine.

Ethyl Mercury in vaccines: Was Hilleman right?
By F. Edward Yazbak MD, FAAP


In the last 20 years, my main research interests have been the MMR-Autism connection and the increase in Regressive Autoimmune Autism Spectrum Disorders.

I chose to remain only marginally involved in the Thimerosal-Autism issue because other very well informed researchers were devoting their attention to it. Nevertheless, when something about Thimerosal was worth reporting, I did not hesitate to discuss it. My last series on the subject was published on Vaccination News. [1] [2] [3]

On February 11, 2013 a very interesting article was published On Line[4]. This excellent work by Drs. Dorea, Farina and Rocha titled “Toxicity of ethylmercury (and Thimerosal): a comparison with methylmercury” will be published in the Journal of Applied Toxicology where it was accepted on December 11, 2012. Dr. Jose Dorea is a member of the Department of Nutrition, Faculty of Health Sciences at Brasilia University, Dr. Marcelo Farina is with the Department of Biochemistry, Center of Biological Sciences at Brasilia University and Doctor João Rocha is attached to the Department of Chemistry, Center of Natural and Exact Sciences, Federal University of Santa Maria, Brazil.

The authors had no financial or personal conflicts of interest and the research was supported by grants from several of Brazil’s most reputable scientific and educational foundations.

Ethyl Mercury in vaccines: Was Hilleman right? | Vaccination News
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peacegirl, you cannot show that in$ulin is 100% safe :sad:
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So where are those studies that confirm Mr. Wakefield's nonsense? Is it another case of imaginary future evidence? Will those 39 studies be published retroactively? I thought you didn't like time travel.
Some of these studies have shown a loose correlation between gut problems and autism and may not be directly related to Wakefield's findings.

The following two peer-reviewed papers from the Royal Free Hospital in the UK were withdrawn for political reasons, but the science remains valid and relevant

1) Wakefield AJ, Murch SM, Anthony A et al., Ileal- lymphoid- nodular Hyperplasia, Non- specific Colitis, and Pervasive Developmental Disorder in Children, The Lancet, 1998, 351(9103): 637– 41.

2) Wakefield AJ, Anthony A, Murch SH, Thomson M, Montgomery SM, Davies S, Walker-Smith JA. Enterocolitis in children with developmental disorder. American Journal of Gastroenterology 2000;95:2285-2295.

The following peer-reviewed papers duplicate Dr. Wakefield’s original findings in five additional countries, including the US, Italy, Venezuela, Canada and Poland:

1) Gonzalez, L. et al., Endoscopic and Histological Characteristics of the Digestive Mucosa in Autistic Children with gastro-Intestinal Symptoms. Arch Venez Pueric Pediatr, 2005;69:19-25.

2) Balzola, F., et al., Panenteric IBD-like disease in a patient with regressive autism shown for the first time by wireless capsule enteroscopy: Another piece in the jig-saw of the gut-brain syndrome? American Journal of Gastroenterology, 2005. 100(4): p. 979- 981.

3) Balzola F et al . Autistic enterocolitis: confirmation of a new inflammatory bowel disease in an Italian cohort of patients. Gastroenterology 2005;128(Suppl. 2);A-303.

4) Krigsman A, Boris M, Goldblatt A, Stott C. Clinical Presentation and Histologic Findings at Ileocolonoscopy in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorder and Chronic Gastrointestinal Symptoms. Autism Insights. 2009;1:1–11.

5) Horvath K., Papadimitriou J.C., Rabsztyn A., Drachenberg C., Tildon J.T. 1999. Gastrointestinal abnormalities in children with autism. J. Pediatrics 135: 559-563.

6) Sabra S, Bellanti JA, Colon AR. Ileal lymphoid hyperplasia, non-specific colitis and pervasive developmental disorder in children. The Lancet 1998;352:234-5.

7) Sabra A, Hartman D, Zeligs BJ et al., Linkage of ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia (ILNH), food allergy and CNS developmental abnormalities: evidence for a non-IgE association, Ann Allergy Asthma Immunol, 1999;82:8

8) Galiatsatos P, Gologan A, Lamoureux E, Autistic enterocolitis: Fact or fiction? Can J Gastroenterol. 2009:23:95-98

9) Jarocka-Cyrta et al. Brief report: eosinophilic esophagitis as a cause of feeding problems in an autistic boy. The first reported case.J. Aut. Dev. Disord. Online July 10, 2010

The following articles support the importance of recognizing and treating gastrointestinal symptoms in autistic children:

1) Buie T, et al. Pediatrics. 2010 Jan;125 Suppl 1:S19-29. Recommendations for evaluation and treatment of common gastrointestinal problems in children with ASDs.

2) Buie T, et al. Pediatrics. 2010 Jan;125 Suppl 1:S1-18. Evaluation, diagnosis, and treatment of gastrointestinal disorders in individuals with ASDs: a consensus report.

The following peer-reviewed papers provide further support for gastrointestinal disturbances involving the immune system in autism.

cont. at: Peer Reviewed Papers Support Findings - AGE OF AUTISM
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peacegirl, you cannot show that in is 100% safe :sad:
You're right, especially with all the preservatives added. But it's the lesser of two evils to use the injection if the alternative is death.
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A Voice of Sanity About Childhood Vaccines
By Gary G. Kohls, MD
April 12, 2014


To my medical colleagues, BigPharma sceptics and others truly concerned with public health issues and the accelerating sickening of America:

In the following link, Dr. Suzanne Humphries talks about vaccines in a 10 minute video interview justifiably, with science backing her up (and directly refuting what those corporate entities who have immense wealth and power), claiming that there has never been a safe vaccine.

This video needs to be viewed by all health reporters to “immunize” them against the powerful, corporate-controlled profit-motivated factions (including the media and our indoctrinated physicians and nurses) that are pushing more and more unsafe and highly toxic vaccines upon unsuspecting parents and vulnerable infants, who then go on to develop hyperimmune/autoimmune disorders such as our escalating incidence of chronic asthma, rheumatoid disorders, etc (for an important list of other vaccine injuries that have been documented, see below).

Suzanne Humphries, MD "There has never been a safe vaccine" - Vaccine Liberation Army

Also check out the University of Pittsburg study that showed that monkeys who received the recommended vaccine schedule from the 1990s CDC-approved schedule got autism while the control group who did not receive vaccines did not acquire autism: Doctors Speak Out Archives - Vaccine Liberation Army

Then study the several videos, including one feature film, about the Wakefield case, available at: Dr. Andrew Wakefield Video Talks Archives - Vaccine Liberation Army.

For those who have only heard the smear campaign false charges in the US about Wakefield: he was the victim of a highly orchestrated smear campaign in England, funded by vaccine-maker Glaxo, and Rupert Murdoch’s media empire [Rupert’s son James Murdoch sits on the board of Glaxo; and a Murdoch-funded pseudojournalist named Brian Deer did much of the dirty work]).

The smear campaign was supported by Britain’s threatened medical establishment and its two previously “prestigious” medical journals [Lancet and British Medical Journal] to discredit Wakefield and his well-done study of 12 children who were diagnosed with regressive autism after their MMR shots (that contains 3 varieties of live viruses) and whose bowels became infected with the measles virus from the vaccine, causing abdominal pains and chronic diarrhea. Biopsies taken by Wakefield and his colleagues proved vaccine-related measles virus infections in the intestinal lymphatic tissue, findings that have been replicated in a number of other studies world-wide (refuting the medical establishment’s claims of fraud).

One of those studies came out of Wake Forest University:

” … a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease – and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus … the team’s leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said:

‘Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.

This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus. What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct.

That study didn’t draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that’s the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR.”

The lead researcher, Stephen J. Walker, Ph.D., was also quick to state however, that this does not necessarily mean the MMR vaccine causes autism. Still, his research notes the same connection that Wakefield’s team did, which is that many autistic children have chronic bowel inflammation, and have the vaccine strain of the measles virus in their intestines.

Says Dr. Wakefield of his original 1998 findings:

“… it’s been replicated in Canada, in the U.S., in Venezuela, in Italy… [but] they never get mentioned. All you ever hear is that no one else has ever been able to replicate the findings. I’m afraid that is false.”

cont. at: A Voice of Sanity About Childhood Vaccines - LewRockwell
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Controversial Doctor and Autism Media Channel Director proven right
MMR Vaccine Causes Autism & Inflammatory Bowel Disease
Autism Media Channel


Two landmark events – a government concession in the US Vaccine Court, and a groundbreaking scientific paper – confirm that physician, scientist, and Autism Media Channel [AMC] Director, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and the parents were right all along.


In a recently published December 13, 2012 vaccine court ruling, hundreds of thousands of dollars were awarded to Ryan Mojabi, whose parents described how “MMR vaccinations,” caused a “severe and debilitating injury to his brain, diagnosed as Autism Spectrum Disorder (‘ASD’).”

Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resulted in autism. The cases follow similar successful petitions in the Italian and US courts (including Hannah Poling [ii], Bailey Banks [iii], Misty Hyatt [iv], Kienan Freeman [v], Valentino Bocca [vi], and Julia Grimes [vii]) in which the governments conceded or the court ruled that vaccines had caused brain injury. In turn, this injury led to an ASD diagnosis. MMR vaccine was the common denominator in these cases.

And today, scientists and physicians from Wake Forest University, New York, and Venezuela, reported findings that not only confirm the presence of intestinal disease in children with autism and intestinal symptoms, but also indicate that this disease may be novel. [viii] Using sophisticated laboratory methods Dr. Steve Walker and his colleagues endorsed Wakefield’s original findings by showing molecular changes in the children’s intestinal tissues that were highly distinctive and clearly abnormal.

New Published Study Verifies Andrew Wakefield’s Research on Autism – Again
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Ok I powered through your 30 minute video while cleaning, in part now you can't say no one watches the drivel you post (but I bet that won't stop you).

Along with what I previously posted, we get,
•1930s child psychiatry is the zenith.
•Shills a book he may be connected to.
•Points out that diagnosis of autism increased around the 1980s but fails to mention it's because it gained a better definition and acceptance in the diagnostic community.
•Again blames 'toxins' and 'chemicals'
•Point to Wakefield, in 2010 he admitted that he sees a bias of gastrointestinal cases, a bias he was unwilling to acknowledge when getting paid to blame vaccines.
•Oddly uses the term "mainstream" a lot, like a lot a lot, as if he knows he's seen as a quack and is trying to make it sound like modern medicine is on his side.
•Wow, he just claimed that the default idea is correlation equals causation and you must prove otherwise.
•Indirect point Wakefield, admits, although backhanded, that the MMR vaccine may be safe (or may not be).
•Haha wow! Do anti-vaxxers actually listen to their Gods? Wakefield just said he supports vaccines, just not MMR.
•Ah but now we're back to standard bullshit as he conflates the flu vaccine, a vaccine targeted at only a few of many influenza viruses as the same as vaccines which target the most common of other viruses.
•Amusement, he pronounces aluminum the american way then corrects himself.
•Apparently Somalia is extremely prone to show autism, but there's no word for autism in Somalia, but that's not cited as evidence it doesn't exist.
CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK! For every single criticism you've pointed out, there are 10 positives.
Please identify the 100+ positives, that Ari missed in the video.
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Autism Media Channel


Two landmark events – a government concession in the US Vaccine Court, and a groundbreaking scientific paper – confirm that physician, scientist, and Autism Media Channel [AMC] Director, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and the parents were right all along.


In a recently published December 13, 2012 vaccine court ruling, hundreds of thousands of dollars were awarded to Ryan Mojabi, whose parents described how “MMR vaccinations,” caused a “severe and debilitating injury to his brain, diagnosed as Autism Spectrum Disorder (‘ASD’).”

Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resulted in autism. The cases follow similar successful petitions in the Italian and US courts (including Hannah Poling [ii], Bailey Banks [iii], Misty Hyatt [iv], Kienan Freeman [v], Valentino Bocca [vi], and Julia Grimes [vii]) in which the governments conceded or the court ruled that vaccines had caused brain injury. In turn, this injury led to an ASD diagnosis. MMR vaccine was the common denominator in these cases.

And today, scientists and physicians from Wake Forest University, New York, and Venezuela, reported findings that not only confirm the presence of intestinal disease in children with autism and intestinal symptoms, but also indicate that this disease may be novel. [viii] Using sophisticated laboratory methods Dr. Steve Walker and his colleagues endorsed Wakefield’s original findings by showing molecular changes in the children’s intestinal tissues that were highly distinctive and clearly abnormal.

New Published Study Verifies Andrew Wakefield’s Research on Autism – Again
This is a repeat, that LadyShea debunked in this thread in October of 2015.
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Today, scientists and physicians from Wake Forest University, New York, and Venezuela, reported findings that not only confirm the presence of intestinal disease in children with autism and intestinal symptoms, but also indicate that this disease may be novel. [viii] Using sophisticated laboratory methods Dr. Steve Walker and his colleagues endorsed Wakefield’s original findings by showing molecular changes in the children’s intestinal tissues that were highly distinctive and clearly abnormal.

New Published Study Verifies Andrew Wakefield's Research on Autism – Again (MMR Vaccine Causes Autism) | The Liberty Beacon
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A few points about Steve Walker's measles/autism study | Left Brain Right Brain

Michael Fitzpatrick is a general practitioner and autism parent in the U.K. who has been countering misinformation for over a decade. His books include Defeating Autism: A Damaging Delusion and MMR and Autism: What Parents Need to Know. Dr. Fitzpatrick offered to take Andrew Wakefield’s recent challenge for a public debate. Mr. Wakefield has not responded.

One report of a replication of key finding by Andrew Wakefield’s team was presented at an IMFAR conference in 2006 but never published. Even though it has not been published, and has in fact failed to replicate, that work by Steve Walker is often cited by Mr. Wakefield’s supporters.

These preliminary, provisional, unconfirmed, non-peer-reviewed findings in an uncontrolled study (which does not mention MMR) were widely reported
Walker himself said
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Walker says the new research does not support the connection, and he notes that the results have not even been published in a peer-reviewed journal. “Even if we showed association (between measles virus and bowel disease) and we published it in a peer-reviewed journal, the conclusion will be simply that there is measles virus in the gut of a large number of children who have regressive autism and bowel disease. End of story.

We haven’t done anything to demonstrate that the measles virus is causing autism or even causing bowel disease.”
MMR is never mentioned in the study, why would Liberty Beacon put "MMR Vaccine Causes Autism" in the headline?

Do you agree with Liberty Beacon that many recent mass shootings are actually false flag operations? Do you agree with Liberty Beacon that the government is working on mind control?
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Ok I powered through your 30 minute video while cleaning, in part now you can't say no one watches the drivel you post (but I bet that won't stop you).

Along with what I previously posted, we get,
•1930s child psychiatry is the zenith.
•Shills a book he may be connected to.
•Points out that diagnosis of autism increased around the 1980s but fails to mention it's because it gained a better definition and acceptance in the diagnostic community.
•Again blames 'toxins' and 'chemicals'
•Point to Wakefield, in 2010 he admitted that he sees a bias of gastrointestinal cases, a bias he was unwilling to acknowledge when getting paid to blame vaccines.
•Oddly uses the term "mainstream" a lot, like a lot a lot, as if he knows he's seen as a quack and is trying to make it sound like modern medicine is on his side.
•Wow, he just claimed that the default idea is correlation equals causation and you must prove otherwise.
•Indirect point Wakefield, admits, although backhanded, that the MMR vaccine may be safe (or may not be).
•Haha wow! Do anti-vaxxers actually listen to their Gods? Wakefield just said he supports vaccines, just not MMR.
•Ah but now we're back to standard bullshit as he conflates the flu vaccine, a vaccine targeted at only a few of many influenza viruses as the same as vaccines which target the most common of other viruses.
•Amusement, he pronounces aluminum the american way then corrects himself.
•Apparently Somalia is extremely prone to show autism, but there's no word for autism in Somalia, but that's not cited as evidence it doesn't exist.
CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK! For every single criticism you've pointed out, there are 10 positives.
Please identify the 100+ positives, that Ari missed in the video.
I didn't say 100. I said 10. There are more than 10 positives chunksmediocrites, but I'm not going to debate you on this. You can make up your own mind.
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Controversial Doctor and Autism Media Channel Director proven right
MMR Vaccine Causes Autism & Inflammatory Bowel Disease
Autism Media Channel


Two landmark events – a government concession in the US Vaccine Court, and a groundbreaking scientific paper – confirm that physician, scientist, and Autism Media Channel [AMC] Director, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and the parents were right all along.


In a recently published December 13, 2012 vaccine court ruling, hundreds of thousands of dollars were awarded to Ryan Mojabi, whose parents described how “MMR vaccinations,” caused a “severe and debilitating injury to his brain, diagnosed as Autism Spectrum Disorder (‘ASD’).”

Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resulted in autism. The cases follow similar successful petitions in the Italian and US courts (including Hannah Poling [ii], Bailey Banks [iii], Misty Hyatt [iv], Kienan Freeman [v], Valentino Bocca [vi], and Julia Grimes [vii]) in which the governments conceded or the court ruled that vaccines had caused brain injury. In turn, this injury led to an ASD diagnosis. MMR vaccine was the common denominator in these cases.

And today, scientists and physicians from Wake Forest University, New York, and Venezuela, reported findings that not only confirm the presence of intestinal disease in children with autism and intestinal symptoms, but also indicate that this disease may be novel. [viii] Using sophisticated laboratory methods Dr. Steve Walker and his colleagues endorsed Wakefield’s original findings by showing molecular changes in the children’s intestinal tissues that were highly distinctive and clearly abnormal.

New Published Study Verifies Andrew Wakefield’s Research on Autism – Again
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Today, scientists and physicians from Wake Forest University, New York, and Venezuela, reported findings that not only confirm the presence of intestinal disease in children with autism and intestinal symptoms, but also indicate that this disease may be novel. [viii] Using sophisticated laboratory methods Dr. Steve Walker and his colleagues endorsed Wakefield’s original findings by showing molecular changes in the children’s intestinal tissues that were highly distinctive and clearly abnormal.

New Published Study Verifies Andrew Wakefield's Research on Autism – Again (MMR Vaccine Causes Autism) | The Liberty Beacon
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A few points about Steve Walker's measles/autism study | Left Brain Right Brain

Michael Fitzpatrick is a general practitioner and autism parent in the U.K. who has been countering misinformation for over a decade. His books include Defeating Autism: A Damaging Delusion and MMR and Autism: What Parents Need to Know. Dr. Fitzpatrick offered to take Andrew Wakefield’s recent challenge for a public debate. Mr. Wakefield has not responded.

One report of a replication of key finding by Andrew Wakefield’s team was presented at an IMFAR conference in 2006 but never published. Even though it has not been published, and has in fact failed to replicate, that work by Steve Walker is often cited by Mr. Wakefield’s supporters.

These preliminary, provisional, unconfirmed, non-peer-reviewed findings in an uncontrolled study (which does not mention MMR) were widely reported
Walker himself said
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Walker says the new research does not support the connection, and he notes that the results have not even been published in a peer-reviewed journal. “Even if we showed association (between measles virus and bowel disease) and we published it in a peer-reviewed journal, the conclusion will be simply that there is measles virus in the gut of a large number of children who have regressive autism and bowel disease. End of story.

We haven’t done anything to demonstrate that the measles virus is causing autism or even causing bowel disease.”
No one ever claimed causation. That doesn't mean there isn't a causative factor involved. More research is being performed and we will have to wait and see if any new findings support his original paper.

The Gut/Brain Connection is Proven in the Current Medical Literature
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These molecular changes in the intestinal tissue were also found by Dr. Krigsman, an American gastroenterologist who treats autistic children. Krigsman used very sophisticated assays that indicated differences between autistic children with intestinal inflammation and children with intestinal inflammation who have Crohn’s and/or ulcerative colitis who are not autistic. Krigsman’s analysis clearly indicates that these autistic children have a new form of intestinal inflammation – again validating Wakefield’s original research.

Additionally, in October, 2015 another study called, Prevalence of Inflammatory Bowel Disease Among Patients with Autism Spectrum Disorders, was published in the journal, Inflammatory Bowel Diseases (Official Journal of the Crohn’s & Colitis Foundation of American). This study confirms yet again that the incidence of inflammatory bowel disease in autism spectrum disorders is higher.

While this study did not investigate whether or not it was a new form of IBD, it still indicates that inflammation in the gut is associated with brain disorders.

Furthermore, last year senior CDC scientist William Thompson issued a public statement admitting that he and his colleagues at the CDC falsified at least one study to cover-up a powerful association between the measles mumps rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism in African American males. There needs to be a complete investigation by Congress into how the CDC has manipulated this and other studies (such as the studies they cite that show no relationship between autism and vaccines) to omit critical data that shows serious safety issues. In a statement published on August 27, 2014 Thompson said the following:

My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention where I have worked since 1998.

I regret my co-authors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data was collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

This begs the question – what other vaccines have they published safety studies for that are, in fact, not safe?

Voices Now Heard

It took years for doctors to listen to parents coming in with their autistic children with complaints of diarrhea, constipation and abdominal pain (many of the children could not even express that fact that they had pain because they could not talk). Most were dismissed as autistic diarrhea. But it turns out that it is far more serious and when the children are treated for intestinal inflammation their entire condition improves, including their brain function.

Dr. Wakefield was the first gastroenterologist to actually listen to parents and correlate the clinical signs and symptoms with what he saw on colonoscopy.

There are many parents out there who are extremely grateful to Dr. Wakefield for bringing this out into the open in the face of severe repercussions from his medical colleagues in the UK.

In point of fact, the highly regarded doctor that did the original research with him in 1998 has since been totally exonerated by the British medical community.

The Gut/Brain Connection

There is a strong relationship between mental states, mood disorders and brain functioning (Alzheimer’s, dementia and autism) – with intestinal inflammation – also known as leaky gut.

Some studies show that inflammation is an active player in the autistic brain before birth – especially if the mother has an autoimmune disease – and long after birth. This study, published in the Annals of Neurology showed that people on the autism spectrum frequently show widespread inflammation in the brain tissue.

This study published in the Journal of Neuroimmunology showed that Patterns of elevated brain cytokines have been observed to be similar to those in autoimmune disease. The researchers concluded that,

ASD patients displayed an increased innate and adaptive immune response through the Th1 pathway, suggesting that localized brain inflammation and autoimmune disorder may be involved in the pathogenesis of ASD.

Researchers have also found that inflammatory cytokines in spinal fluid and blood are higher in people with ASD as well.

Where is the Inflammation Coming From?

There are many reasons for inflammation but the most obvious place is from the gut because 70 – 80% of the immune system resides in the gut.

There has been much written about the relationship between the gut and mood disorders.

When the cells in the brain don’t have enough nutrients (blood supply) and energy supply (mitochondria) – when that system gets inefficient, there is not enough energy for the brain to produce wide spread coordination across its networks.

In autism, the brain is not as well regulated because the physiology is worn down due to toxins.

It starts in the gut with digestive issues, asthma, eczema, allergies, etc. which are thought to be directly linked to leaky gut syndrome. When the intestinal lining has been compromised and allows large molecules to reach the bloodstream where they do not belong, toxicity is created. Other toxic exposures from the air, water and personal care products add to the toxic burden. A vicious cycle is created where pathogenic bacteria overrule the good bacteria and even more toxins are released, causing more inflammation.

The GAPS Diet was developed to heal the many disorders created – through healing the gut. GAPS is a diet based on restricting certain foods to allow the digestive system to repair and reinoculate. It has been used in treating autism with great success.

For more information about this see Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride.

The Microbiome Found to Influence the Brain

In 2011, Mazmanian et al reported that changes to the intestinal microbiome influence the brain. His research suggests that gut bacteria could affect neurological inflammation and trigger disease. It was not clear how that happened, however, Marmanian postulated that,

the microorganisms that colonize the human gut don’t leave the intestine, but the immune cells that contact them do… although 70% of the immune cells in the body at any one time can be found in the intestine, they circulate throughout the body, and the microbiota of the gut environment help determine how immune cells will behave elsewhere… If T-cells, while in the gut, are programmed by the microbiota to have anti-inflammatory properties, then they may suppress inflammation even after they leave the gut.

It is now known that the proteins, carbohydrates, and other molecules shed by microbes also leave the gut and may play a role in signaling disease. It has been shown that these bacterial metabolites are in areas of the body that were previously thought to be free of bacteria; lungs, amniotic fluid and breast milk.

Studies suggest that there is a link between the gut/brain axis and neuropsychiatric disorders such as autism, depression, and eating disorders.

With all this research that now confirms Dr. Wakefield’s original research, we should be applauding and honoring him.

The Gut/Brain Connection is Proven in the Current Medical Literature


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MMR is never mentioned in the study, why would Liberty Beacon put "MMR Vaccine Causes Autism" in the headline?
I have no idea. It may be a bait and switch scheme to get people to read the article. This doesn't fare well with their honesty, but it certainly doesn't negate Wakefield's original paper. He never claimed causation.

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Do you agree with Liberty Beacon that many recent mass shootings are actually false flag operations? Do you agree with Liberty Beacon that the government is working on mind control?
I believe this organization is anti-Semitic, but I will not throw out the articles on vaccine safety just because I found them listed on this site.
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And maybe invisible blue bunnies wearing velveteen gloves masturbate us to completion each night as we sleep. That should be the default position unless and until it's proven false.
How can they be blue if they are invisible? I am confused.
These bunnies are creatures of astonishing power. We know that because they can be invisible and blue simultaneously, a seeming contradiction. The masturbatrix bunny hypothesis requires a bit of belief and a bit of reason. We believe they are blue. We reason that they are invisible cuz we can't see them.

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Wait, did you mean to imply that the bunnies are sad? Is it because they nightly labor in anonymity and never get thanked for their efforts? That would sure make me blue.
Ah, I see. You're looking to interpret "blue" in the Blue Christmas sense. That is a heresy based on mistranslation. It's a bit like how the reader is to blame for misinterpreting Seymour Lessans' statement that there are no "afferent nerve endings" involved in human vision as a statement that there are no "afferent nerve endings" involved in human vision.
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CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK! For every single criticism you've pointed out, there are 10 positives.
Please tell me the 10 positives from the video.

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Why would you bring up that he corrected the way he pronounced aluminum, as if this has anything to do with his findings?
I never said it had anything to do with the findings, I just found it amusing.
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I would agree that until they know more about the possible connection with the MMR vaccine to regressive autism, they should treat it as if it's causation.
Why stop there? Until we know more about the possible connection with the MMR vaccine and cancer/Palsy/ear-infections/feline-aids we should treat it as if it's causation?
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You're picking on the usage of the word "mainstream" for no good reason.
Just like aluminum this isn't a criticism as much as something I found amusing, and I began to notice when he said mainstream 4-5 times in a single sentence.
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You're assuming that his only motivation in this whole thing is because he's getting paid. Lie lie lie. Attacking him because he wrote a book? Now he's shilling?
So far I've watched two videos with Wakefield, in both videos he promoted a book. Based on your logic I should assume he's shilling until proven otherwise.
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More autism cases being just a better definition has been shot down. Do your homework.
No, it hasn't.
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Somalia may have lots of autism without a name for it.
You missed my point. One of Wakefield's main arguments was that 'if autism was common before the 1900s they would have had a name for it.' Yet in a country where autism is common, they don't have a name for it, contradicting the basis of his claim.

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Ok I powered through your 30 minute video while cleaning, in part now you can't say no one watches the drivel you post (but I bet that won't stop you).

Along with what I previously posted, we get,
•1930s child psychiatry is the zenith.
•Shills a book he may be connected to.
•Points out that diagnosis of autism increased around the 1980s but fails to mention it's because it gained a better definition and acceptance in the diagnostic community.
•Again blames 'toxins' and 'chemicals'
•Point to Wakefield, in 2010 he admitted that he sees a bias of gastrointestinal cases, a bias he was unwilling to acknowledge when getting paid to blame vaccines.
•Oddly uses the term "mainstream" a lot, like a lot a lot, as if he knows he's seen as a quack and is trying to make it sound like modern medicine is on his side.
•Wow, he just claimed that the default idea is correlation equals causation and you must prove otherwise.
•Indirect point Wakefield, admits, although backhanded, that the MMR vaccine may be safe (or may not be).
•Haha wow! Do anti-vaxxers actually listen to their Gods? Wakefield just said he supports vaccines, just not MMR.
•Ah but now we're back to standard bullshit as he conflates the flu vaccine, a vaccine targeted at only a few of many influenza viruses as the same as vaccines which target the most common of other viruses.
•Amusement, he pronounces aluminum the american way then corrects himself.
•Apparently Somalia is extremely prone to show autism, but there's no word for autism in Somalia, but that's not cited as evidence it doesn't exist.
CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK! For every single criticism you've pointed out, there are 10 positives.
Please identify the 100+ positives, that Ari missed in the video.
I didn't say 100. I said 10.
No, dummy. You said there were "10 positives" for every point Ari made. Ari made 12 points, which obliges you to come up with 120 "positives" to support your claim. You'd better get crackin'.
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See: Weibel RE, Caserta V, Benor DE, Evans G. Acute encephalopathy followed by permanent brain injury or death
were associated with further attenuated measles vaccines: a review of claims submitted to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Pediatrics, 1998 Mar;101(3 Pt 1):383-7.
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Dravet Syndrome has been discovered to account for almost all cases of encephalopathy previously referred to as vaccine injury. The vaccines may trigger earlier onset, but the disease was destined to appear anyway.

Febrile seizures can occur with any fever from any cause, and fever is a known possible side effect of vaccines. Fever is also a known symptom of many illnesses. Children who experience these seizures would have done so even if the fever was due to illness.
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Ok I powered through your 30 minute video while cleaning, in part now you can't say no one watches the drivel you post (but I bet that won't stop you).

Along with what I previously posted, we get,
•1930s child psychiatry is the zenith.
•Shills a book he may be connected to.
•Points out that diagnosis of autism increased around the 1980s but fails to mention it's because it gained a better definition and acceptance in the diagnostic community.
•Again blames 'toxins' and 'chemicals'
•Point to Wakefield, in 2010 he admitted that he sees a bias of gastrointestinal cases, a bias he was unwilling to acknowledge when getting paid to blame vaccines.
•Oddly uses the term "mainstream" a lot, like a lot a lot, as if he knows he's seen as a quack and is trying to make it sound like modern medicine is on his side.
•Wow, he just claimed that the default idea is correlation equals causation and you must prove otherwise.
•Indirect point Wakefield, admits, although backhanded, that the MMR vaccine may be safe (or may not be).
•Haha wow! Do anti-vaxxers actually listen to their Gods? Wakefield just said he supports vaccines, just not MMR.
•Ah but now we're back to standard bullshit as he conflates the flu vaccine, a vaccine targeted at only a few of many influenza viruses as the same as vaccines which target the most common of other viruses.
•Amusement, he pronounces aluminum the american way then corrects himself.
•Apparently Somalia is extremely prone to show autism, but there's no word for autism in Somalia, but that's not cited as evidence it doesn't exist.
CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK CHERRY PICK! For every single criticism you've pointed out, there are 10 positives.
Please identify the 100+ positives, that Ari missed in the video.
I didn't say 100. I said 10. There are more than 10 positives chunksmediocrites, but I'm not going to debate you on this. You can make up your own mind.
You're lying again, you said for every criticism Ari pointed out, there were 10 positives, and Ari pointed out 12 mistakes Andy Wakefield made, so you owe us 120 positives, plus the positives to counter what he posted before. Are you going to dodge, weasel and lie again, or will you provide the required positives.
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