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peacegirl, adding huge chunks of text like that is not editing.
I didn't add huge chunks of text.
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That antivax rant alone is over a thousand words long.
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PG, why did you add anti-vaxxery to the book actually? What was your reasoning at the time?
It wasn't anti-vaxxery. I was using vaccines as an example of how they could cause injury or death in some cases, and because we don't know which child will be the next victim (even if the intentions were pure), vaccines would never be made mandatory. In our world today we can shift responsibility to something else as the cause, or we can justify why a few deaths are worth the many who will be saved. In the new world we could not use either justification.
Just an example huh? And yet what you ended up adding is this extremely prolix piece of anti-vaxxer propaganda:

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Chapter Seven: The Wisdom of Socrates

Added to
this, as early as two months the baby is receiving a series of
vaccinations that are given on schedule with more and more being
added to the list. Some of the vaccinations he will receive are a
Hep shot if he did not receive it in the hospital, a DtaP shot, Hib
shot, IVP shot, and PVC shot. Some doctors will also give the
baby the vaccine for Rotavirus. Recently, the AAP has begun
advocating ‘firing’ parents who don’t conform to the CDC’s
overloaded vaccine schedule, the schedule with 36 vaccines on it,
almost double the average of 30 other first world countries. The
schedule that has never been tested for combination risk.

There
has been a growing public and professional concern over the
immediate and long term effects of these multiple vaccines (several
shots given simultaneously), as well as the toxic ingredients used
to produce them, but the pediatrician will tell the mother that it is
for the baby’s well-being by reassuring her that the benefits far
outweigh the risks. He may explain that without these
immunizations the baby is not protected and the disease that once
killed so many could easily come back. Because she wants to do
what is best for her child, she concedes.

In some cases, however,
a child could have a severe reaction and be injured by the
vaccination that was intended to help him. There are an increasing
number of physicians who claim the risks do not outweigh the
benefits. The following quotations are from doctors and
researchers who believe there is a possible link between
vaccinations and the chronic childhood illnesses that are so
common today.

“Vaccine adverse effects are amply documented and are far more
significant to public health than any adverse effects of infectious
diseases. Immunizations not only did not prevent any infectious
diseases, they caused more suffering and more deaths than has any
other human activity in the entire history of medical intervention.
It will be decades before the mopping-up after the disasters caused
by childhood vaccination will be completed.” — Dr. Viera
Scheibner, Ph.D

“Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, and the whole panoply of
childhood diseases are a far less serious threat than having a large
fraction (say 10%) of a generation afflicted with learning disability
and/or uncontrollable aggressive behavior because of an
impassioned crusade for universal vaccination.” — Association of
American Physicians & Surgeons

“Instead of epidemics of measles and polio, we have epidemics of
chronic autoimmune and neurological disease: In the last 20
years rates of asthma and attention-deficit disorder have doubled,
diabetes and learning disabilities have tripled, chronic arthritis
now affects nearly one in five Americans and autism has increased
by 300 percent or more in many states.” — Barbara Low Fisher

“Doctors maintain that the (MMR) inoculation is necessary to
prevent
measles encephalitis, which they say occurs about once in 1,000
cases. After decades of experience with measles, I question this
statistic, and so do many other pediatricians. The incidence of
1/1000 may be accurate for children who live in conditions of
poverty and malnutrition, but in the middle-and upper–income
brackets, if one excludes simple sleepiness from the measles itself,
the incidence of true encephalitis is probably more like 1/10,000
or 1/100,000. Furthermore, about 75 percent of these cases will
not show evidence of brain damage.” — Dr. Mendelsohn

“Most parents today find it quite difficult to understand why they
have to have their child vaccinated against this particular disease
(measles) when their mothers used to organize measles parties to
ensure all the children of the family had it! In fact a mild dose of
measles stimulates the immature immune system, in the correct
sequence, to develop naturally, thereby strengthening the child
generally.” — Christina J Head MCHRs. Hon

“It is now 30 years since I have been confining myself to the
treatment of chronic diseases. During those 30 years I have run
against so many histories of little children who had never seen a
sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years
that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn’t
put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren’t strong.
Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they
were vaccinated. They have never been well since.” — Dr.
William Howard Hay

“Ever since mass vaccination of infants began, reports of serious
brain, cardiovascular, metabolic and other injuries started filling
pages of medical journals. In fact, pertussis vaccine has been used
to induce encephalomyelitis in laboratory animals, which is
characterized by brain swelling and hemorrhaging.” — Harold E.
Buttram, M.D. & F. Edward Yazbak, M.D.

“The number of vaccination deaths overwhelms disease (pertussis)
deaths: 32 in a three year period according to the CDC (1991-
94), and only 8 in 1993, the last peak incidence year...Simply put,
the vaccine may be more than 100 times more deadly than the
disease.” — Alan Philips, J.D., Attorney and Counselor at Law
(this doesn’t take into account the SIDS-DPT connection).

“Probably 20% of American children — one youngster in five —
suffers from “development disability.” This is a stupefying
figure...the primary cause of encephalitis — is the childhood
vaccination program. To be specific, a large proportion of the
millions of U.S. children and adults suffering from autism,
seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, and other
shoots or branches of the hydraheaded entity called “development
disabilities,” owe their disorders to one or another of the vaccines
against childhood diseases.” — Harris L. Coulter, Ph.D.

NVICP has paid out for 50 deaths per year: The U.S. Federal
Government’s National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
(NVICP) has paid out over 724.4 million dollars to parents of
vaccine injured and killed children, in taxpayer dollars. The
NVICP has received over 5000 petitions since 1988, including over
700 for vaccine-related deaths, and there are still 2800 total death
and injury cases pending that may take years to resolve (NVICP,
Health Resources and Services Administration).

Although pediatrics will continue as a branch of medicine,
these specialists, as well as those who set national guidelines, will
have no choice but to be completely honest with themselves for the
very first time. They will need to be extremely careful what they
advise because they would never want to be responsible for making
matters worse.

This does not mean that doctors aren’t doing
everything possible to keep their young patients healthy, but the
knowledge that they would never be blamed if a child was harmed
by their recommendations adds a tremendous amount of weight.
Honesty will be the best policy even if they have to admit they
don’t know which course of action is best. As a consequence,
mandatory vaccination programs will no longer be enforced due to
severe reactions in a small percentage of children, some of which
are fatal. This means that doctors will give parents the most up-to-
date information, but the parents will need to decide for themselves
whether the end justifies the means, especially when there is no
way of predicting which child will regress into chronic poor health
or have a life threatening reaction.

Moving forward

Therefore, it is
important to recognize that many illnesses are nothing but words,
as strange as this may seem, which Montaigne and other
philosophers perceived. When someone does physical or other
harm to another without justification then we will know that he is
mentally disturbed, but this is virtually impossible in the new
world. Until then, God is forcing us to leave the mind alone. Now
tell me; is this Supreme Being we call God a genius, or isn’t He?
God, or the force that controls our movement in the direction of
greater satisfaction, is forcing us to rely on our body to take care of
98% of all its problems by making all mankind realize that they
don’t know the truth about a tremendous number of these things,
they only thought they knew.
Without letting the readers know this was actually not something your father ever wrote. Just an example huh? :lol:
I stated in the beginning of the book that I added examples. Maybe I'll use an asterick next time (if I ever redo the book).

Please understand that when the 20 century is mentioned, it is
referring to the time period when this finding was first uncovered.
The prediction that in 25 years man would be delivered from all evil
was based on the conviction that a thorough investigation would have
already taken place. Although it has been more than 50 years, there
has been no such investigation and, to this day, this discovery has not
been recognized for its contribution. Due to the time lapse since the
book’s last printing some recent examples have been added to show
how these principles apply to our current world situation, but please
be assured that the actual discovery has not been altered in any way
and is explained in the author’s own words.
Although some of his
references are dated, the knowledge itself couldn’t be more timely.
For purposes of consistency the personal pronoun ‘he’ has been used
throughout the book. No discrimination was intended.







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If you update your Corrupted Text, you could show all the stuff you deleted wholesale with redactions, like this (example):
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Not sure how best to show the other Corruptions where you just changed the text, though.

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peacegirl, adding huge chunks of text like that is not editing.
You're right, But. It's not editing. It's not compiling. It's certainly not stewardship. I call it Corruption, and I reject it along with the Corrupted Text.

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peacegirl, adding huge chunks of text like that is not editing.
You're right, But. It's not editing. It's not compiling. It's certainly not stewardship. I call it Corruption, and I reject it along with the Corrupted Text.

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So don't read it Chuck. You don't even know what the book is about! :laugh:
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Developing a familiarity with the Corrupted Text is a regrettably necessary part of being the True Steward of the Authentic Text; that is the only way I can uphold the Authentic Text and protect it from peacegirl's lies, distortions, and Corruptions.

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Developing a familiarity with the Corrupted Text is a regrettably necessary part of being the True Steward of the Authentic Text; that is the only way I can uphold the Authentic Text and protect it from peacegirl's lies, distortions, and Corruptions.

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ChuckF: he wallows in the odious, fraudulent muck that is the Corrupted Text so you don't have to.

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You know nothing about any of the books. The changes that I made were minor and did not change the basic principle, which I made sure not to do. In fact, I could not get my version copyrighted because the additions and exclusions had no bearing on the concepts being presented. Never mind, I have no desire to continue this conversation.
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I am sure you do not, peacegirl. So much Corruption in your Corrupted Text :bigtear:
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You know nothing about any of the books. The changes that I made were minor and did not change the basic principle, which I made sure not to do.
Minor changes? That stupid antivax rant above is over 1300 words you added wholesale. Then you added more stuff and removed long passages. Those are not minor changes.
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You know nothing about any of the books. The changes that I made were minor and did not change the basic principle, which I made sure not to do.
Minor changes? That stupid antivax rant above is over 1300 words you added wholesale. Then you added more stuff and removed long passages. Those are not minor changes.
It was not an antivax rant. I didn't tell people not to get their children vaccinated. That wasn't the point. I used vaccination as an example of what will not occur (i.e. making them mandatory) and why, and was appropriate for my purposes.
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It's the same old antivax bullshit talking points and you quote the same old handful of crackpots.
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Barbara Loe Fischer is not a crackpot. You are entitled to believe what you want and to act accordingly. This is called freedom of choice!
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She added 1,300 words of anti-vax drivel to the Corrupted Text, yet leaves in the stuff about how Hitler allegely killed 6 million Jews even though authoritative source Jeff Prager has researched the issue and determined that: (1) Hitler never ordered the extermination of Jews; and (2) "a Holocaust as it's described historically just NEVER happened." :facepalm:
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Jeff Prager's research is confirmed Lorraine Day, MD's astute observations. Dr. Day discusses her research in this informative "Off Your Knees, Germany" week episode of this informative webcast. peacegirl, you should watch this several times (at least twice) in its entirety in order to grasp the import of these astute observations:


peacegirl, there is a growing consensus among your reputable, trustworthy anti-vaccine sources that the Holocaust did not occur; when will you revise your Corrupted Text to reflect their findings?
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be assured that the actual discovery has not been altered in any way
and is explained in the author’s own words.
"Some examples"? You mean one single copy pasted mass of long-debunked anti-vaxx nonsense, without any indication that the author never even knew about it! This is not some neutral example: it is a blatant attempt at smuggling in your own pet cause. And you did this in a book you believe is there to save mankind!

You happily put in this, for instance:

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Probably 20% of American children — one youngster in five —
suffers from “development disability.” This is a stupefying
figure...the primary cause of encephalitis — is the childhood
vaccination program.
This is a blatant attempt at conflating encephalitis and development disability, and downright bad information - where is the evidence that the prevalence of "developmental disability" is that high? And what exactly is "developmental disability"? Why paste in a claim about encephalitis right after a line about the prevalence of this "developmental disability"?

This is exactly the kind of information that no-one is supposed be able to justify disseminating in the new world: you are neither competent enough to correctly judge it, nor are you sure about the consequences. What if vaccines are in fact saving millions of lives, and you create the false impression here that by vaccinating your kids you run a 20% change of giving them a disability... which is the suggestion this statement creates?

And it bears repeating: you smuggle this into a book you were hoping would soon be seen as an authoritative source of knowledge, "the most important discovery of our time"!

Ethically, this is beyond dubious, and yet you felt it was perfectly fine - you still defend it now even. How do you explain that you were apparently able to do so, without your conscience stopping you somehow?
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I'm sure that with the changed conditions in the new world, peacegirl will stop doing that.
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Due to the time lapse since the
book’s last printing some recent examples have been added to show
how these principles apply to our current world situation, but please
be assured that the actual discovery has not been altered in any way
and is explained in the author’s own words.
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"Some examples"? You mean one single copy pasted mass of long-debunked anti-vaxx nonsense, without any indication that the author never even knew about it! This is not some neutral example: it is a blatant attempt at smuggling in your own pet cause. And you did this in a book you believe is there to save mankind!

You happily put in this, for instance:

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Probably 20% of American children — one youngster in five —
suffers from “development disability.” This is a stupefying
figure...the primary cause of encephalitis — is the childhood
vaccination program.
This is a blatant attempt at conflating encephalitis and development disability, and downright bad information - where is the evidence that the prevalence of "developmental disability" is that high? And what exactly is "developmental disability"? Why paste in a claim about encephalitis right after a line about the prevalence of this "developmental disability"?

This is exactly the kind of information that no-one is supposed be able to justify disseminating in the new world: you are neither competent enough to correctly judge it, nor are you sure about the consequences. What if vaccines are in fact saving millions of lives, and you create the false impression here that by vaccinating your kids you run a 20% change of giving them a disability... which is the suggestion this statement creates?
I was clear that there are different opinions regarding the safety of vaccines. I was clear that there are researchers who believe that the trade-off of getting so many vaccines may be chronic illness. I was clear that in the new world no doctor will want to take responsibility for telling parents what to do for fear their advice could end up hurting a vulnerable child instead of helping him. This would be difficult to deal with for reasons you still don't understand. I was clear that vaccines will not be mandatory as a result. It will be up to each family to decide what is best for their children. I was clear that there is no perfect answer as to which is the better choice, which is why doctors will not be in the business of persuasion. Would you want to give advice to a parent, and then have to carry the guilt if the child dies as a direct result of that advice? That is why the doctor will explain what they know about vaccines but will never tell a parent what to do. This was a perfect example to show why doctors will be forced to be honest with themselves regarding what they really know, and what they pretend to know. As a result of the change in environmental conditions, they will be forced (of their own free will [I know you don't understand this phrase either]) to change accordingly.

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And it bears repeating: you smuggle this into a book you were hoping would soon be seen as an authoritative source of knowledge, "the most important discovery of our time"!
That is not what this example was about. If you read carefully you would have seen that.

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Ethically, this is beyond dubious, and yet you felt it was perfectly fine - you still defend it now even. How do you explain that you were apparently able to do so, without your conscience stopping you somehow?
Because I'm not telling anyone what to do Vivisectus. I don't know what is the better choice. I can only give my opinion based on what I have learned. If you don't agree with that, then you are entitled, as a parent, to do what you feel is best. But in the new world no doctor would ever think to tell a parent what choice to make because he would not want to carry that kind of responsibility if something went wrong. As it stands now, they can easily shift their responsibility and deny that there is any correlation and convince themselves that they are not guilty (to ease their conscience) otherwise they wouldn't be able to stay in practice and earn a living.
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