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Old 08-26-2014, 05:07 PM
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I have been pointing out here how remarkable it is that ISIS has never attacked any Israeli targets, but I have seen (and ignored) a lot of conspiracy theories online about how the 'Caliph' is an Israeli Jew, or was trained by Israel's Mossad. But now :stunned: there seems to be actual, Snowden-approved, evidence for the latter theory:
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The former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, has revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”.
ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Trained by Israeli Mossad, NSA Documents Reveal | Global Research
ISIS: Made in Washington, Riyadh €“ and Tel Aviv by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com
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Old 08-26-2014, 05:10 PM
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It wouldn't be the first time any kind of covert international intervention has gone completely wrong.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:01 PM
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We have all been conned in the most vicious way.

ISIS is a bunch of Black Wasser employees dressed up so that they can live out their CallOfDuty/GrandTheftAuto/porn fantasies in real life ----- while getting paid by the American tax-payer. Sadly, it is that simple. The rest of the regime-stream-media narrative starts to make sense.

These uprisings are all the same THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. When you see an insurgent/rebel/protester on the news wearing a mask/knee pads, you are looking into the eyes of a foreign merc. This shit is not that complicated and it is the same trick mankind has been playing for thousands of years. Coming to a neighborhood near you!

These recent stories about European and American "jihadists" joining ISIS are only half-truths to condition us. Mercs are getting caught and their true identities are being discovered by the locals. We stupid Westerners will be told "He was a jihadist/Muslim convert!" and we will go back to our video games comforted with the thought an other anti-American was caught. Black wasser will be happy too because they will have one less pay-cheque to send out. Win - Win!!
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I'm generally not one for conspiracy theories but with more executions it does seem like ISIS is extremely good and interested in enticing countries that have much larger armies into attacking them and not in that North Korea 'it's all show for our people and to get supplies' kind of way but in a please please attack us sort of way.

Their almost expert use of internet and media to spread anger against them has me wondering exactly what their game is as it's pretty obviously not about gaining power or territory for some sort of war lord.

Most recently they've pissed off Jordan, a heavily Muslim country that is well stocked in arms by the US and who has vowed heavy retaliation. It seems like ISIS is purposefully poking countries to get into a war.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:44 AM
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Yes. And/or to excite extremists and would-be jihadists from all over the world to come there, as per Watser?'s OP. And/or because the puppet masters want to sell more arms and shut up the dumb pacifists in their home countries.
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That makes me wonder if Mossad and CIA are actually behind ISIS.
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some events stink of black ops. the attack in france where the shooters were methodical rather than crazed and just happened to leave an id in the car...i call bullshit. the beheadings at the start of gulf war 2 never seemed legit. it seemed almost like an experiment. there was a spate of them and then they just stopped. executions continued, but the spectacle seemed gone. did the public act in an unexpected way? anyhow, i think some of it is crap...

but this latest deal with the pilot being burned in the cage. i saw it. it's pretty horrible. my first thought was how fucked up and barbaric ISIS had become, but the video takes the execution and turns it into art. the form of killing is an interpretation of being burned by bombs trapped in your home. at the end of the video a bulldozer buries the charred corpse in all kinds of rubble. it seemed strange at first, like crazed overkill, but again it was an interpretation of bodies in rubble after a bombing run, which are shown earlier in the edited execution package.

i have a feeling that might be real ISIS shit.


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I was with you part way.

The beheadings at the beginning of Iraq War: Son's revenge, were suspicious and had a number of inconsistencies.
Just like the most recent execution. Beheading as an execution style is used by Muslim extremists because of the viewed insult, they are literally killing someone the way tradition says to kill animals. Burning bodies is not permitted by Islamic law as you are effectively declaring yourself God.
While sure, crazy extremists are prone to plenty of hypocrisy it doesn't seem like they are following any religious crusade as much as they are trying to rile up the world and decided that traditional executions just weren't doing it.

(The morbidly amusing thing is that beheadings and emulations are both pretty low on the pain scale of ways to die, but high on the drama).
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btw...i saw that execution with the sound down and i don't want to watch it again, so if there was narration stating why they killed him the way they did then i didn't hear it, right or wrong, ftr...
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when you watch one of the videos where they are killing gadaffi you can clearly hear an american telling somebody "shut the fuck up, motherfucker!"...i'm pretty sure those were the words. very forceful, like a soldier. authority. you don't see the person. it always seemed out of place to me mixed in with all those other voices. i don't have a link to that video, so you'll either have to search it or trust me.
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Could be a big conspiracy. Could be that Islam provides a divine warrant to commit violence, and ISIS is acting in accordance with an inherently violent faith, like Catholic fascists and Jewish settlers before it. ISIS isn't unique or special - they're merely topical. The current violence is just the latest manifestation of the natural consequence of monotheism.
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True, it's not the violence that has me suspicious but everything else.
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So how about this one: trial against a European who went to Syria to fight gets too embarassing, fear of exposing nasty secrets.

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The prosecution of a Swedish national accused of terrorist activities in Syria has collapsed at the Old Bailey after it became clear Britain’s security and intelligence agencies would have been deeply embarrassed had a trial gone ahead, the Guardian can reveal.

His lawyers argued that British intelligence agencies were supporting the same Syrian opposition groups as he was, and were party to a secret operation providing weapons and non-lethal help to the groups, including the Free Syrian Army.
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Moar: Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian
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The consensus among the not-insane seems to be Israel and Jabhat al-Nusra are sitting in a tree.

Israel’s Unlikely Alliance, Is Israel helping al-Qaeda in Syria?

Why has Israel embraced al-Qaida's branch in Syria? | The Electronic Intifada

Which has lead to Syrian Druze lynching a wounded Syrian 'rebel' who was transported to an Israeli hospital the other day.

Syrians in occupied Golan furious about Israel's alliance with al-Qaeda

munther khalil, syrian islamist fighter killed by syrian druze Tikun-Olam Tikun Olam-ת™ק•Ÿ ע•œם
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ISIS attacks Egyptian army, kills at least 60 | WashingtonExaminer.com

ISIS is nuts, man. They seem super intent on alienating every fucking body.
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Well, except Israel of course. They've never attacked them.
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There's now a report that ISIS has attacked Israel: of course, the fog of war means that this might turn out not to be true.
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