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Old 04-04-2017, 08:55 AM
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Not upside down though. :shrug:

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Old 04-04-2017, 09:15 AM
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Looks to me more like the white strip on the right is the side for the pole. Anyway, the eyelets suggest it wasn't even made for a pole at all. Not clear whether there are eyelets at the top, which is I guess the reason for the upside-down perception.
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Old 04-04-2017, 09:20 AM
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Yes, you're right and I'm the idiot. :dunce:

On this image the white vertical strips when present on the flags are on the flagpole side.



The Union flag doesn't really have a 'top' unless you first define which side the flagpole is on.

I suppose with a single-sided printed flag with no flagpole or single white vertical strip, intended to hang against a wall, then it would be conventional to assume the pole is to the left of the flag.
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Old 04-04-2017, 09:33 AM
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

So we're just ignoring the wheely bins?
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Old 04-04-2017, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

Proud British Brexiteers would never ignore the important symbolism of the dual wheely bins: the fact that they hold rubbish indicates what the Brexiteer thinks of the EU, and the fact that they have wheels represents that they are now to be moved away from Britain's glorious soil!

Note how the flag is partly covering the wheely bins. Once Brexit is complete, the flag will be repositioned so that the bins are totally invisible! Come to think of it, perhaps the flag was deliberately hung upside-down to symbolize Britain's shame at being tied to the EU - once Brexit is complete the Brexiteer will be proud to hang the flag in its correct triumphant orientation once again!
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

That issue aside, I notice that the EU has been playing hardball with Britain, like only negotiating a trade deal after completing the exit, and even threatening to conduct the negotiations in French rather than in English.
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:37 AM
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

Well, after the UK leaves there will be more Danish, Bulgarian or Finnish native speakers than native English speakers in the EU (just Ireland and Malta left)...
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

Ireland's official Treaty language is Irish (despite the fact that most Irish citizens don't speak it), and Malta's is Maltese. Ireland and Malta do both have English as a second official EU language however - and after Brexit they will be the only countries that do.

It's strange that the EU will continue to use English as its lingua franca even after Brexit when there will be no member country that lists English as its Treaty language.
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We are still hoping for :scottish:
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

The British have a long history of being pains in the EC/EU asses, so there is that aspect to the hardball thing too.
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Logically German should be the lingua franca by sheer numbers (and even as a second language after English), but there's just that... thing...
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Old 04-06-2017, 01:42 AM
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

And I mean, not using English because Britain went out would be more about symbolic politics, not as much about practical realities.

The reality is that a lot of people in the EU will already know English due to trade with the UK and other Anglophone countries, lots of other international organizations use English, etc. etc.

The EU using it as a working language is not really the main driver of its use in Europe, I would imagine.

But who knows, maybe they'll change it. Symbolic politics do have power.
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Logically German should be the lingua franca by sheer numbers (and even as a second language after English), but there's just that... thing...
That really leaves just one possible solution:

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Old 04-09-2017, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

Here's the nerdy guy who predicted all the recent "unlikely" events such as Brexit correctly explaining them in a clear and civil way. This video was made about nine months ago after Brexit but before the US election. In it he predicts Trump as president, explains why he correctly predicted Brexit would happen (also the British election and the financial crisis), what it tells us about the disconnectedness of Politicians and the Media and what it might mean for the future.


Shame this channel doesn't get more views. He also runs a sister channel about computer hardware and software that is very good.
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

Hmm well yes.

If the right thing to do is to maintain a positive attitude after Brexit because it's shown that the establishment is not in touch with what people think, then I'm not very positive. The establishment appears just to have become more established with Theresa May. There'll be less political time to devote to climate change and education and health (though of course there'll be more hot air, ironically) or electoral reform. Likewise in America. Trump may have got in because people were disillusioned with the establishment, but look what they've got - a bunch of people who are far more establishment economically and socially (although admittedly they have no fucking clue how to govern, so they're not politically establishment).

And the end of the video, where he covers what else is being ignored ... not much chance of any of that being addressed. Globalisation is unsustainable? But, after keeping out the nasty foreigners, the whole idea of Brexit is to trade more with the world further away than Europe. Trump may have big words (actually, loud short words) about buying American but his business actions are all global exploitation.
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Yeah, I didn't buy any of that. Brexit wasn't a revolution of the little people against their out-of-touch elites, much as Nigel Farage likes to pretend. It was just like Trump - one group of wealthy establishment kicking out the other lot.
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Yeah, we have Wilders here, one of the longest-serving MP's, pretending he's the outsider. His voters don't even notice that they actually support the rightwing government in all of the stuff they pretend to oppose.
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And I mean, not using English because Britain went out would be more about symbolic politics, not as much about practical realities.

The reality is that a lot of people in the EU will already know English due to trade with the UK and other Anglophone countries, lots of other international organizations use English, etc. etc.

The EU using it as a working language is not really the main driver of its use in Europe, I would imagine.

But who knows, maybe they'll change it. Symbolic politics do have power.
One day we'll all wake up wearing wooden shoes and drinking Dutch coffee from a brewing machine built in Holland reading from a newspaper called "De Amerikaanse Gazette."
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No.

That's right.

We don't.

Definitely.

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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

So - right after the May announces snap elections, a convenient leak happens:

Brexit: leaked documents say EU wants Britain kept under European courts | Politics | The Guardian

Rather clever and well played by May, IMO. Labor and the Lib Dems are unlikely to be able to come up with a unified and clear response, and now May gets to run on a nice clear "fight the european hardliners, get rid of EU legal jurisdiction in the UK, get out of paying europe" ticket.

If Labor responds by having the now traditional internal punch-up when faced with a perfect opportunity for effective opposition politics, if they cannot agree with the lib-dems on a clear stance, and since the SNL is likely to scare voters into the arms of the hard Brexiteers, May could end up sitting pretty with a clear mandate. Divide and conquer, baby.
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Default Re: Brexit EU referendum polling stations.

But "the EU wants to play tough in negotiations" is no kind of surprise to anyone.

This is going to hinge on party unity. Which Labour clearly lack. The Conservatives aren't much better - they have simply pivoted from being a pro-Europe party with hardline anti-European backbenchers (Cameron lost his gamble to control them, thus, the present) to an anti-Europe party with a few isolated pro-Europeans.

And also on insanity - "the bigger the fight the more likely we are to get a really good deal out of it".
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LOL at all the Remoaners here!
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