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Boston Public Schools announced that students will get free breakfast and lunch without regard to ability to pay, the system participating in a new federal lunch program that will ensure that no child goes hungry because of onerous paperwork requirements. Schenactady, NY is also participating in such a program as well. Some schools, such as in Rotterdam, NY, are opting out of the federal school lunch program because trying to feed kids healthy food they're choosing not to eat is costing the schools more than they get from the federal government. Then there's these Dickensian misers in New Jersey: no lunch for poors not on the free lunch program, throwing the food in the trash instead.

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My grandson's school provides a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and milk for those who do not like the lunch being served or those who run out of money in their school lunch account. Better that than that New Jersey's school cruel dictate.
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My son's school serves fairly palatable meals. They encourage everyone to complete the application for free/reduced lunches just in case they qualify (I know we don't qualify, but they asked me to complete one anyway is how I know this), and will even sit down and help out if needed, but some people won't do it even though they need it. Their kids get fed anyway if they do not bring food from home.
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I'm not defending New Jersey but I would recommend reviewing the laws and codes concerning food products. My ex-son-in-law cooks in a restaurant and they are required to throw food away for the slightest chance that it is tainted. My wife works in a grocery store and there are similar restrictions on what must be thrown away. Most of this food is perfectly safe and could be donated to some charity or shelter, but our over protective government acts like we are too stupid to take care of ourselves. The laws and codes are written to the lowest common denominator.
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My grandson likes about three-quarters of the lunches they serve at his school, but he will eat the PB&J sandwich and carrot sticks and milk if he doesn't like what is being served that day. I know they're serving food kids like because he is the pickiest kid in the history of picky-eating kids. I do question what they are calling healthy food though, healthy by somebody's definition of healthy, I guess.

The calorie totals they are shooting for are probably okay, 550 for elementary through the 5th grade, 600 for middle-schoolers, and 750 for high school. But, one school said their allotment allows only ten ounces of protein per week? In my opinion that is totally adequate for growing kids, especially teenagers. But, regardless of the definition of healthy foods, none of it is any good if the kids aren't eating it. However, my bacon source appreciates the wasted food from schools that gets served to pigs.
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We can thank the Black Panthers for identifying the problem and coming up with the solution.

It makes perfect sense to me that we should just provide lunch (and possibly breakfast) to all students without discrete payments based on income requirements. Kids whose parents can pay can do so through their taxes, the way it works for every other aspect of public schools. Lunch is an essential part of a kid's school day as restroom facilities, and I genuinely think it's weird that it's treated like it's some completely separate, optional thing.

And just to clarify, in New Jersey, the food isn't being thrown away for health and safety reasons. The schools are tossing out perfectly good lunches when kids get up to the register and can't pay. Which is fucked up from every single angle. Not only are the kids being publicly shamed and forced to go hungry, but they're expecting the lunch workers to do it to them. Can you imagine working in a school cafeteria and having to take away a child's lunch and throw it in the garbage? That's just monstrous. The wastefulness is the least of the problems with that.
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And just to clarify, in New Jersey, the food isn't being thrown away for health and safety reasons. The schools are tossing out perfectly good lunches when kids get up to the register and can't pay. Which is fucked up from every single angle. Not only are the kids being publicly shamed and forced to go hungry, but they're expecting the lunch workers to do it to them. Can you imagine working in a school cafeteria and having to take away a child's lunch and throw it in the garbage? That's just monstrous. The wastefulness is the least of the problems with that.
I don't know what a good answer to this would be, but possibly a public awareness of who was responsible for that decision would be a step in the right direction.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:27 PM
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There was a pretty big national news deal about that program (see here, for example, which is a recent story, but I'm sure this was in the news a while back as well.)

Basically, New Jersey apparently had pretty low enrollment in the federal lunch program, but kids without money were getting lunches anyway, which then weren't reimbursed by the feds. Which I guess would be a problem. Although, probably coincidentally, New Jersey also recently had a scandal where they weren't checking income claims and a bunch of people who didn't qualify for the program were accepted as well.

But seriously, if they'd just treat school lunches like any other part of the school budget and provide it free via taxpayer funding based solely on the number of enrolled students, you could completely eliminate the costs of administering an income based program, including eliminating the need to ask parents nosy questions and do the verification and everything and the entire accounting system associated with paid lunches; and most importantly, all the kids in school would be fed.

This is something we're already subsidizing with tax money, and I'm betting that if we were to eliminate all those administrative costs of maintaining a pay for lunch system, it wouldn't cost all that much more to just make all school lunches free.
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Puts on Republican Stetson: There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.



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Fox News guest school counselor Thomas Kersting says kids going hungry is a teaching moment.

Yeah, it is, it just taught me that you're a dick.

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Again, I think it is misleading that the kids are going to be punished. We have more food than any other nation. You know, no kid is going to starve. You know, if one day a kid doesn’t have lunch, right, maybe that’s a teaching moment when that kid doesn’t have lunch. That may sound harsh saying that, but we’ve got to get people to start being responsible for themselves.
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He forgets, for some kids the meals they get at school might be the only meals they get for the last half of the month after their mom's food stamps runs out.
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Thank you, Dingleford, for making this thread so that I don't have to try to choose from all the other relevant threads about stupid conservatives, racists, unexamined privilege, etc.

If, like me, your mind boggles that anyone is taking exception at efforts to feed children, see the comments on this article from one of the free lunch pilot districts:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/ed...hmond-students

They're angry--really, really angry--that children are being fed.
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Ugh, I can't do it.
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It is genuinely sickening. The desire to feed hungry children is such a basic, core instinct that I keep going back and looking at the things those people are saying and trying to reconcile that with something that makes sense somehow so I don't have to accept that there are so many sociopaths lacking even that basic level of humanity. They're distanced, and honestly don't believe that children really do go hungry in America? They're just spouting off based on the fact that 'free lunch' is a well recognized trope? They're genuinely confused about what's happening?

I dunno. It's seriously fucked up, but the moral of this story is that ignorance doesn't always manifest as bliss. Sometimes it comes out as blind, inchoate rage.
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Thank you, Dingleford, for making this thread so that I don't have to try to choose from all the other relevant threads about stupid conservatives, racists, unexamined privilege, etc.

If, like me, your mind boggles that anyone is taking exception at efforts to feed children, see the comments on this article from one of the free lunch pilot districts:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/ed...hmond-students

They're angry--really, really angry--that children are being fed.
I read the article and was thinking "What's the problem?" and then I remembered Lisarea said to read the comments, and I was appalled that anyone would object to kids from poor families being fed. They not only want to keep them poor, but stupid as well, you can't learn if your body and brain don't have the energy to function and grow.

I would add one thought about healthy foods, you can't apply the same standards to kids meals as you do to adults. Adults are not growing, and many are not as active, they sit at a desk all day and wonder why they put on weight. Kids are growing and usually pretty active, they need calories, carbohydrates to do so. I know that now a lot of kids are sitting playing video games, but that has only been recently and I do not approve of it. People, kids or adults, who work hard and are physically active need a certain level of energy from their food to maintain that activity. Not to long ago there was a campaign for "No Fat" and I say it was wrong, fat is a nutrient and needs to be a part of the diet, but appropriate to the individual.
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Their kids get fed anyway if they do not bring food from home.

Does anyone here remember going to school when there were no school lunches? During my first 6 grades everyone packed a lunch, it was just what we did and there was no question about it. In 7th grade my school system had built a new school building that included a cafeteria and we could buy a lunch at school, WOW! now we were really up to date.

I may have told this story before but I'll tell it again. One of my favorite parts of fried chicken was the skin that most people pealed off and set aside, but for me it was a treat. Once in 2nd grade my mother packed my lunch and included a piece of chicken from the supper the evening before. as a treat she also included several pieces of the chicken skin that she had saved for me. Some of the other kids saw this and told their parents, and soon the word got around town (a very small town) that we were so poor that my mother was putting chicken skin in my lunch instead of real chicken. I didn't care at the time, but it must have been embarrassing for my parents.
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I guess because most of the time I was in school I went to larger schools in cities, we always had school lunch. That said, because I was the second pickiest eater in the world ever, I brought lunch from home a lot, stuff like liver cheese sandwiches. And when I forgot or lost my lunch, I was dependent on the charity of my schoolmates because those lunch ladies weren't giving me any food without a ticket to punch.

The best cafeteria food was the huge dinner rolls, except when the mean old ladies in the hairnets purposely plopped them into the spinach juice on your tray, totally ruining the bottom half of the roll.
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I went to a lot of different schools as a kid, and at least at the time, the culture was totally different in different places. So at one school, lunchboxes were an important social marker, so most of us brought lunch from home. At other ones, only dorks carried their lunch around, so kids would get the school lunches. The private school didn't have a cafeteria, but a few kids went to the one at the Catholic school we shared a campus with. At the high school I went to in 9th grade, the jocks owned the cafeteria pretty openly, so almost nobody else even went in there; and everyone else either left campus to eat or got chips and sodas from the vending machines and ate them while walking around. At the open school for hippies and other juvenile delinquents I went to after that, they had this weird little cafeteria thing with one full time employee and student helpers. It was called "Munchies," and it was vegetarian, and only the hippies ate there. The rest of us would go into town and go to restaurants. (I had lunch with John Hinckley sometimes when I went there. BOOM! NAMEDROP!)

(Unfortunately, my son was always an oddly self-possessed child, so I can't generalize his experiences at all. He's always just done whatever he wanted on the assumption that whatever he did was automatically cool.)

Generally, I think schools in poorer districts tend to have a culture where everyone gets the school lunches, but once you get into mostly middle class areas, it's dictated by the specific culture at that school.
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It is genuinely sickening. The desire to feed hungry children is such a basic, core instinct that I keep going back and looking at the things those people are saying and trying to reconcile that with something that makes sense somehow so I don't have to accept that there are so many sociopaths lacking even that basic level of humanity.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's a dimension you're not touching on. This is a success of the Randian Reagan Republicans. They don't care what It is, they just know that the government shouldn't have their spindly claws in It. You should be thankful they haven't yet succeeded in eliminating public schooling! It's no less disturbing, see, but they have a rational real reason! STOP SPENDING MY MONEY ON STUFF I DON'T LIKE.
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but they have a rational real reason! STOP SPENDING MY MONEY ON STUFF I DON'T LIKE.

I think I would amend that ever so slightly to say,
"STOP SPENDING MY MONEY ON STUFF I DON'T KNOW ABOUT", or at least tell me about it so I can have an opinion.
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Yeah, you're right. It's just how can so many people let some generic kneejerk ideology override even the most base, fundamental humanity from them, to the point that they end up arguing against feeding kids?

I try to work my way around this. Maybe they're just so caught up in their dumb politics that they're honestly not thinking about what they're saying. Maybe they actually somehow don't believe that children who don't get lunch are actually hungry, even. Like they think they have some kind of backup plan and they're cynically manipulating the system to get something for free that they could pay for. Maybe they have demonized and dehumanized the poor to such an extent that they honestly believe that as a matter of course, poor parents literally do not care if their children go hungry, so they're not going to care either.

But I can't understand how so many people can be arguing against this without it occurring to them what they're actually talking about. The actual reality of children going hungry. I want to believe that if they had a hungry child right in front of them, they'd do anything in their power to make sure that child got fed, but I honestly don't know right now.

They're sitting around talking about it like it's some abstract thing where the outcomes can be measured by cost and performance and things like that, and they need to be carefully evaluated to get the best outcome. They're not doing that, though, or they'd realize it's actually a really solid return on investment. The program was started as a way to make sure we'd have good, strong healthy soldiers to draft.

So yeah, like you say, it is just a dumb sledgehammer ideology that spending on social programs is bad (fucking dastardly fucks), but these people are defending that ignoring the reality of what they're talking about. Everyone has been hungry at some point.

Being hungry hurts. It's physically painful. Your stomach hurts, your head hurts, you get tired, your nerves are frayed, and you can't think straight. And it's especially bad for children, and the younger they are, the worse. Really little kids need to eat every couple of hours or so to function in the moment, and to grow in the long term. They don't have the reserves a grownup does. When they're hungry, it hurts a lot. It makes them cry. When they're hungry a lot, it stunts their growth and makes them sick.

Whatever the machinations and reasoning, they know that, and they're for it.
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Guys. Guys. You're not from Georgia, but let me tell you that Richmond County is where the URBAN people are and Columbia County (next door) is the suburbs. So it's less about hungry children and more about those URBAN (wink, wink) people getting stuff for free again from their URBAN president.

The persistant poverty counties in the southern part of the state tend to have slightly higher white populations than more well-off counties, but they tend not to have daily newspapers with an online presence, or internet service, for comparison to reactions.
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Just to get this out of the way, what the fuck does Detroit have to do with any of this? I know what it means when Canadians say "getting as bad as Detroit" whenever there's a crime in Toronto. But this is completely without context for me. What boogie man is Detroit playing here?

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Everyone has been hungry at some point.
I don't think that's true. I think a whole lot of people in the U.S. at this time have never been actually hungry. And if they were, it was because they were dieting and chose to be. I doubt these people have any experience with true hunger and that's part of the reason for their callousness. The other 90% is just pure, unadulterated assholery, though.
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Old 09-07-2013, 10:19 PM
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I think that guy must be really fucking stupid is why he said Detroit. Generally, Detroit is supposed to conjure up a sort of Hobbesean state, like a lawless, feral city, but that is literally what he's arguing for, so I think he just got his racist tropes mixed up and meant to refer to welfare queens.

On the hunger thing, that hadn't even occurred to me, but you're probably right.

I'm not joking or being flip when I say this, but misanthropy has always been something I've struggled with. It's ironic, because I see people being cruel and callous like that, and it starts making me mistrust people by default, and hate a big subset of them, and that makes me mean and cruel. Like I want to see them hurt. Right now, I want to make some of those people actually feel both short- and long-term hunger.

I guess cruelty breeds cruelty.
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