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That's not a monkey ...
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It's too big to be a space station.
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Strange that Wertham didn't complain about this...



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Old 12-10-2015, 01:41 AM
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An orangutan is not a monkey. This is a :monkey: (see the tail?); an orangutan is an ape.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:42 AM
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I don't know which of our many relevant threads to put this in, so on the misc pile it goes.

I noticed this week that my mentee at work has started wearing regular American engineer clothes to work, like jeans and cotton shirts. For the first year I knew him, he wore kurta PJs and a taqiyah hat every day.

I'm bummed. I can only speculate as to why the change, and I can pretend it's something benign like he just went shopping, but I'd be kidding myself if I thought it had nothing to do with the ever-escalating anti-Muslim bigotry in this country. He's still rocking the beard so far at least.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:52 AM
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An orangutan is not a monkey. This is a :monkey: (see the tail?); an orangutan is an ape.
Not to start a phylogeny war, but I think it's about as correct, technically and colloquially, to call an ape a monkey as it is to call a human an ape. The simian group starts with monkeys, but it has to include all their descendants to stay cladistically consistent, so apes (and humans as a subset of apes) would remain a subset of monkeys, ie, simians.
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We call all simians aap/apen in Dutch. It just saves time. Although we call apes mensapen (human apes).

I think orangutan means forest human btw.
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:06 AM
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For what it's worth, the term "Monkey," as normally used, isn't a legitimate phylogenetic group, whereas "Ape" is. That is, "monkeys" are a paraphyletic group and so aren't a legitimate taxon; "apes," on the other hand, are a perfectly legitimate taxon (unless one insists on pretending that humans aren't apes, that is).

Of course, we are all simians ...



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And indeed, "orang-utan" roughly translates as "[hu]man of the forest."
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I didn't name the video! :cry:
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...That's also not magic but illusion, real magic doesn't exist...
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Not even the magic in a young girl's heart? How the music can free her, whenever it starts?
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For what it's worth, the term "Monkey," as normally used, isn't a legitimate phylogenetic group, whereas "Ape" is. That is, "monkeys" are a paraphyletic group and so aren't a legitimate taxon; "apes," on the other hand, are a perfectly legitimate taxon (unless one insists on pretending that humans aren't apes, that is).
But while ape can essentially be a synonym for the group Hominoidea, which includes humans, part of how it got that way was when we rejected its older colloquial use, which essentially meant "all Hominids except humans," and insisted that it applies to humans as well as to the "lesser" groups like gibbons. I'm suggesting we should do the same for the word monkey: make it what it should be, a synonym for the group simians. People already use the word monkey to refer to apes, but in correcting them and insisting that monkey only refers to simian lines except the subset of catarrhini that encompasses apes (and humans), we are essentially insisting that monkeys are a paraphyletic group, ie, "all simian primates except apes." Can't we just bag all that and solve a taxonomic and linguistic quarrel in one simple step? Let monkey refer to the whole line, like many languages already do and even many English speakers already do?
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That makes sense to me.
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That makes me feel absurdly pleased. Biology isn't really my focus, so I sometimes worry I've got some fundamental misapprehensions floating around in my head...
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Nah. Most biologists don't like the word "monkey" precisely because the "monkeys" are a paraphyletic group, as the word is commonly used.

But if the term is to be used "properly," though, to designate a true taxon, I certainly have no objection.
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Alright then, it is decided. :judge: Alert the dictionarians!
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Can I still be a monkey's uncle? Or does a monkey technically have to be my uncle?
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Adjacent news headlines on the London Evening Standard:



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Okay, so my Bio 111 students are taking their final exam right now.

One of the kids sitting in the second row has puffy, red eyes.


"Why?" you ask.

Because he just spent 15 minutes in the bathroom, flushing his eyes in the sink.


"And why is that?" you ask.


Well, as was related to me, he and a bunch of other students were hanging out before class, when he started playing with some girl's pepper spray. "It's perfectly harmless so long as you don't get it in your eyes," he reportedly said. And to demonstrate, he sprayed some on his arm and then dipped his fingers in it, to demonstrate that it was harmless.

Then [presumably without thinking], he rubbed his eyes.

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OK, quick.

I need to connect my modern-times television to my old-timey stereo to stream music from my media server. Can I just use an audio RCA to RCA cable to connect the YPbPr connectors on the TV to the ones on my receiver? Or do I need to get a mini-to-RCA connector and do it that way? Or something else?

I'd just try it and see if I were an orangutan, but unfortunately, I am not, and moving around behind the TV is a harrowing ordeal. I don't want to do it unless I'm pretty sure it's going to work.
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Okay, so my Bio 111 students are taking their final exam right now.

One of the kids sitting in the second row has puffy, red eyes.


"Why?" you ask.

Because he just spent 15 minutes in the bathroom, flushing his eyes in the sink.


"And why is that?" you ask.


Well, as was related to me, he and a bunch of other students were hanging out before class, when he started playing with some girl's pepper spray. "It's perfectly harmless so long as you don't get it in your eyes," he reportedly said. And to demonstrate, he sprayed some on his arm and then dipped his fingers in it, to demonstrate that it was harmless.

Then [presumably without thinking], he rubbed his eyes.

:doh:
So, for extra credit, did you ask him to describe the biological mechanism by which pepper spray works to cause those effects?
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I found King Canute IV of Denmark, and through him Harold Bluetooth, on my ancestry chart today. :monarch: :viking:

Someone about five generations ago married heavily beneath her station up to then.
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I was in my office 'til about 11:00 p.m. last night, grading papers and whatnot.

As I was walking home, I encountered three of my students. They told me that they had been studying for today's exam. Jean said that she planned to be up all night, studying for the exam.

Adopting a "stern-but-concerned, fatherly tone," I told her that she shouldn't do that. I reminded her that I've told the students before that a good night's sleep is essential to good test performance, and that staying up all night before an exam is counterproductive.

As I told her this, she was looking up at me with her eyes literally shining and a look of pure gratitude on her face. She has mentioned before that she's an orphan, and she often expresses severe self-doubt. Whenever I say anything to indicate concern for her well-being -- or just to be nice -- she seems to respond that way, like I've just done the nicest and most considerate thing imaginable.

It makes me wonder what kind of positive adult influence she has had in her life, considering how grateful she seems for any kind words or concern.



Then there's a student in a different class with whom I've had several long conversations. Mostly, they're about how isolated she feels, because she comes from a strict, very religious family who basically disowned her once she discovered that she's gay. And as bad as that is, a lot of her peers treat her much the same way -- because "Good Christians" don't approve of the "homosexual lifestyle" or some such.

She's told me how very grateful she is for the opportunity to talk about such things with someone who won't judge her because she has a girlfriend and not a boyfriend.


I'm glad I can be there for such students, but appalled that, apparently, so few others have been there for them.
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