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Old 08-08-2009, 12:24 AM
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Default Caribou Barbie is at it again

Apparently not happy to be out of the limelight for doing/saying bizarre things, Palin has done it again:

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The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
Her source for such rightwing moonbattery? Rep. Michelle Bachmann of Minnesota:

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Rep. Michele Bachmann highlighted the Orwellian thinking of the president's health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of the White House chief of staff, in a floor speech to the House of Representatives. I commend her for being a voice for the most precious members of our society, our children and our seniors.
Pleez oh pleez oh pleez let this be a trial balloon for a Palin-Bachmann ticket in 2012.
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:37 AM
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The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
This argument in the US about healthcare is so incredibily ridiculous. What you have at the moment under private health care is a bunch of private bureaucrats who are solely profit driven (not care driven) who decide whether grandma or the down's syndrome baby are worthy of health care or not based on how profitable or costly that individual will be to the private company.

What the fuck is in the water over there? Acid?
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:47 AM
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Pleez oh pleez oh pleez let this be a trial balloon for a Palin-Bachmann ticket in 2012.
Be careful what you wish for. I don't credit the average right wing American with enough brains to see how laughable such a leadership would be.
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Old 08-08-2009, 01:11 AM
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Think of the lulz that could be had if they won.
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Old 08-08-2009, 01:36 AM
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Old 08-08-2009, 05:10 AM
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To be honest, I would be fine with saying that severely mentally retarded children will not be covered by the state health insurance (I'm talking the kind that's immobile or will require significant assistance their entire life and expensive medical interventions).

We have in utero testing, we have legal abortion - for me the decision is obvious. We will also still have private insurance, and so if you have a child like that, I think it should be your decision to find a way to pay for it or not.

I'll also cop to being a major dick tho.
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Old 08-08-2009, 08:51 PM
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Well, the problem with genetic testing and diseases is that:
1. For the most accurate results, the pregnancy is usually pretty far along
2. The expression of genes, including trisomy 21 can be variable. Some are profoundly effected, some you couldn't tell have it.
3. There aren't tests for every genetic disease around.

It's never as cut and dried as one would wish.
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:30 PM
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Genetic testing is still coming along. Who pays for this research -- hmm?

Interesting: BBC reports that the 3rd largest company in the world is the Brittish Health establishment. The mortality statistics would alarm Flo. Nightengale: aka Crimean Barbie in your parlance. The source material for those stats came from far less credible folk.
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:25 PM
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This op-ed calls Palin on being a liar:

Palin’s Poison - Timothy Egan Blog - NYTimes.com
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Old 08-10-2009, 07:52 PM
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I wanted to stand up and cheer when I read this one:

Palin + Civility equals Lies + Speechwriter
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:32 AM
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These "Obama death panels, where do they go, where do they go?" :)
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To be honest, I would be fine with saying that severely mentally retarded children will not be covered by the state health insurance... We have in utero testing, we have legal abortion - for me the decision is obvious. We will also still have private insurance, and so if you have a child like that, I think it should be your decision to find a way to pay for it or not.
Then it's hard to see why you'd think there should be any public health care for children, except perhaps if parents could prove that they'd lost resources through no fault of their own since electing to carry their child to term.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:21 PM
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Except if no-one had kids = no future taxpayers. That is also why education is and should be free.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:54 PM
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There's these two comments on the health care bill at opencongress.org about family planning services that I feel I should share with everyone.

They're under the table of contents for Division B, Title vii, Subtitle b, Sec. 1714: State eligibility option for family planning services.
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This is the root of our economic crisis: we equate family planning with prevention, i.e., preventing children from existing. Children are our future workers and consumers, yet when we can't prevent them, we resort to murder. We're killing our own economy, literally.
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I've never understood this. With the ever-increasing amount of future taxpayer dollars being spent to take us down the road to socialism, you'd think we'd be encouraging larger families to create more future taxpayers for the government to bleed to sate it's greed.
Just thought I'd share those with you, in case you'd started to regain some faith in humanity.
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:05 PM
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Hey, I know where we could get some future taxpayers, assuming no one minds that they won't be white and...oh...yah, what was I thinking.
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What bugs me is the whole us vs. them feel about the government. Do people even realize that they themselves pick the people who will be making all these laws, that they will be representatives of the people as a whole? That you get a government that looks like the people. Or in popular terms, the people get the government they deserve?
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:17 PM
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This has always struck me as a particularly American thing. It is prolly all genetic. These are the descendants of people who emigrated from Europe to escape the evils of government, then emigrated West into new frontiers to get away from the evils of government etc. They are genetically programmed not to change the government but to get away from it.

Either that or it's culch'ral.
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:23 PM
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True, evolution says that too, that those who were most anti-government were the ones that came over and probably did the bulk of the breeding in every generation, and this is the result. It is leading them towards the inevitable end result, a new species; Homo anarchista.
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That is the intermediate form.
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EVOLUTION ITT! :ohno:
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Hey now, some us were just trying to escape pogroms, feudalism and religious intolerance, not all government.

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Well yeah.

And some were even trying to get away from religious tolerance.
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:17 PM
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I don't know whether to laugh, cry, vomit or throw my hands up in despair. Y'all may have know this already, but I didn't. The Senator who co-sponsored the End of Life act is a Republican from Georgia.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...l?hpid=topnews

I can only hope that Sarah Palin's distortions of this issue backfire dramatically on her and every other nutjob rallying to the "death panel" cry.
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Caribou Barbie is the perfect argument for retroactive birth control and chlorinating the gene pool.
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