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Ooo, another Youtube video! What does it say?
If you don 't like the medium of videography --- which is just a communication tool --- then you will better had not watch. It's your loss!
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Ooo, another Youtube video! What does it say?
If you don 't like the medium of videography --- which is just a communication tool --- then you will better had not watch. It's your loss!
So you haven't actually watched it, just like you don't read the articles you link to? Could you watch it and then give a summary in two or three sentences?
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Ooo, another Youtube video! What does it say?
If you don 't like the medium of videography --- which is just a communication tool --- then you will better had not watch. It's your loss!
So you haven't actually watched it, just like you don't read the articles you link to? Could you watch it and then give a summary in two or three sentences?
Absolutely not. You always want to take shortcuts so you don't have to work hard. Well that's not how a careful investigation works. It takes a lot of effort and time, which you don't want to expend.
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Old 11-29-2017, 12:20 AM
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Ooo, another Youtube video! What does it say?
If you don 't like the medium of videography --- which is just a communication tool --- then you will better had not watch. It's your loss!
So you haven't actually watched it, just like you don't read the articles you link to? Could you watch it and then give a summary in two or three sentences?
Absolutely not.
If you're not going to watch it, I'm not going to either.
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Old 11-29-2017, 12:23 AM
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I was frankly surprised when they started suggesting that vaccines are poison because Brian Deer is a muslim pedophile but they really brought it all back around in the closing statement while juggling syringes.
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I was frankly surprised when they started suggesting that vaccines are poison because Brian Deer is a muslim pedophile but they really brought it all back around in the closing statement while juggling syringes.
You're out in left field! :yup:
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What Wakefield is saying in this video has evidence to back it up, whether you want to believe it or not.
peacegirl, why are you pretending that you're qualified to make such an assessment?
Don’t depend on my assessment.
Oh, I won't, not on this or any other subject. Nor will anybody else.

But getting back to the question you refused to answer, why are you pretending that you're qualified to make such an assessment?
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You always want to take shortcuts so you don't have to work hard.
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Study: Record Levels of Aluminum Found in Autistic Children Brain Tissue
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Christopher Exley: Using bad science to demonize aluminum adjuvants in vaccines - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE

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This is speculation on steroids. More important, though, is the subtext. Where, I wonder, does Exley think this evil aluminum is coming from? He specifically mentions immune cells bringing aluminum into the brain as an explanation for “so much aluminum” in the brain of a 15 year old boy. Hmmm. He couldn’t mean…vaccines…could he? Oh, let’s cut the crap. Of course he means vaccines. Exley thinks aluminum adjuvants cause autism, and this study was looking for a way to “prove” that they do. This is, like most studies funded and carried out by antivaxers, horrible science. No wonder J.B. Handley is so impressed by it.
Finally, there’s aspect of this study that angers me greatly. Brain tissue is a precious resource. Tissue from autistic brains is an even more precious resource. This poorly designed, poorly executed, poorly analyzed study squandered some of that precious resource in the service of a study that tells us nothing scientifically useful about autism that could lead to a deeper understanding of the abnormalities of the autistic brain and the pathogenesis of this neurodevelopmental disorder. Such a waste of precious tissue borders on the criminal.

It's a detailed article listing a lot of things that are wrong with the paper. You should read it.


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Huzzah! Unemployed techbro is back! :cheer:
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What is he saying? He isn't (heaven forbid) repeating the same old long debunked antivax talking points, is he?
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Hiding Behind Genetics to Avoid Culpability for Environmental Causes of Autism

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Genetics is the darling of the biomedical research industry. For diseases ranging from cancer to skin disorders, investigators have been busily at work for decades trying to identify the conditions’ underlying genetic causes. However, these same investigators—and the reporters who communicate their findings to the public—are often strangely incurious about the role of environmental toxins as triggers of disease.

A story about autism spectrum disorder (ASD) published in October 2017 by the news website Vox furnishes an example of this genetics-as-the-explanation-for-everything perspective.

Vox senior health correspondent Julia Belluz (a self-described “evidence enthusiast”) interviewed a small sample of five reportedly “cutting-edge” autism researchers, all of whom focus on autism genetics. Given the lack of disciplinary diversity in her selective sample, Belluz’s conclusion that genetic factors are the most “well-established” and “promising” explanation for autism comes as no surprise.

Two of Belluz’s five interlocutors (geneticist Stephan Sanders and psychiatrist Lauren Weiss) are researchers at the University of California-San Francisco (UCSF), but neither one mentions a rigorous population-based study of 192 twin pairs published in the Archives of General Psychiatry by UCSF researcher Neil Risch and colleagues in 2011.

Risch is the director of UCSF’s Institute for Human Genetics. The study’s results indicated that “environmental factors have been underestimated, and genetics overestimated, for their roles in autism-spectrum disorders.”

Another study that involved families with two ASD-affected siblings (published in Nature Medicine in 2015) likewise highlighted “substantial genetic heterogeneity” in ASD, again suggesting that environmental or other shared risk factors trump heritability.

To be fair, Belluz’s discussion gives a nod to a “genes plus environment” perspective on autism causation by acknowledging that an “underlying genetic predisposition or mutation” generally needs to “collide” with environmental triggers in order to give rise to ASD.

However, Belluz characterizes the research on environmental risk factors for ASD as “blurry,” “murky,” “mixed” and not “robust.” Belluz also cites a study that, according to her, views shared genetic variants in families as “probably more important” as an autism trigger than shared environments.

However, the article actually emphasizes gene-environment interactions and concludes that “the amount of evidence supporting a significant contribution of environmental factors to autism risk” makes it clear that “the search for environmental factors should be reinforced.”

A pivotal paper published in early 2017 goes a step further, asserting that “The term ‘heritability,’ as it is used today in human behavioral genetics, is one of the most misleading in the history of science.” The paper’s two authors argue against the “deeply flawed” assumption that “genetic influences…can be separated from their environmental context.”

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“contemporary biology has demonstrated beyond any doubt that traits are produced by interactions between genetic and nongenetic factors that occur in each moment of developmental time. That is to say, there are simply no such things as gene-only influences [emphasis in original].”
Stated another way, the paper suggests that “it makes little sense to attempt to quantify the relative importance of two different factors that interact with one another [dynamically] to produce an outcome.”

cont. at: Autism Continues to be Blamed on Genetics – Vaccines and Environmental Causes Ignored
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Other possible headlines:
Is licking frogs to blame for autism? Why won't scientists consider the possibility, what are they hiding?!

National antibiotics convention biased towards germ theory, fails to give demonologists their fair shake!

NASA excluded flat earthers from the shuttle program, requires long secretive 'training' program before allowing anyone in space.
(Bonus, Was Challenger blown up to hide the truth from the only civilian to go into space? New quantum thermite finds will have you reconsidering).
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I like it!

Hiding Behind Genetics to Avoid Culpability for Corrupting the Authentic Text as Written by the Author and Published in his Lifetime

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Hiding Behind Genetics to Avoid Opening the Door Marked "ChuckF is the True Steward of the Authentic Text"
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Wave of vaccine resistance building around the globe as call for civil disobedience goes viral among health care workers – NaturalNews.com
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peacegirl's boy Trump recently announced his full-throated support for that child rapist who's running for the U.S. Senate. But hey, I reckon official governmental condonation of child molesting is a small price to pay for having an anti-vax president, eh?

Oh wait ... Trump isn't an anti-vaxxer at all! He just trolled the shit out of gullible, stupid anti-vaxxers. You know, like peacegirl! :yup:
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Take anti-vaxxers. They are buffoons with a perfect record. In the entire 200 year history of anti-vaccination advocacy, they’ve never been right even once. They are the Donald Trumps of the scientific world: ignorant, pathological liars who perpetually rewrite the past — vaccine preventable diseases weren’t that bad; they were disappearing before the advents of vaccines; vaccines cause autism — in order to manipulate people’s behavior in the present. Anti-vax advocacy is the scientific equivalent of the Republican tax plan: it promises improvements and it brings only misery. And just like Republican donors are the only ones who benefit from Republican tax legislation, professional anti-vaxxers are the only ones who benefit from anti-vax; they get rich while the people they conned get sick.
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Love this guy. He puts you all to shame! :wave:

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peacegirl's boy Trump recently announced his full-throated support for that child rapist who's running for the U.S. Senate. But hey, I reckon official governmental condonation of child molesting is a small price to pay for having an anti-vax president, eh?

Oh wait ... Trump isn't an anti-vaxxer at all! He just trolled the shit out of gullible, stupid anti-vaxxers. You know, like peacegirl! :yup:
The republican tax plan is just about to pass. Massive tax cuts for corporations, Obamacare effectively undermined, and already the republicans are sharpening their knives again. All these tax breaks for the rich and for corporations are going to add 1.5 trillion to the US defecit, and they know just how to even that out a bit again: already some Republicans are explaining why cuts to social security and medicare are going to be absolutely necessary.

One of them seems to feel that people who are on those programs won't lift a finger to help themselves, in fact. Another one says it is far better to give people who pass millions to their heirs a tax-break than to give one to the improvident poor, who will just spend it on booze, women and movies.

I really wish I had made those two statements up, but I didn't.

Peacegirl, is any of this going to impact you? Do you use either ACA, Medicaid, Medicare, or Social Security, and if these programs were slashed, how would that change things for you?

And has any of this changed your mind about Trump at all?
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peacegirl's boy Trump recently announced his full-throated support for that child rapist who's running for the U.S. Senate. But hey, I reckon official governmental condonation of child molesting is a small price to pay for having an anti-vax president, eh?

Oh wait ... Trump isn't an anti-vaxxer at all! He just trolled the shit out of gullible, stupid anti-vaxxers. You know, like peacegirl! :yup:
The republican tax plan is just about to pass. Massive tax cuts for corporations, Obamacare effectively undermined, and already the republicans are sharpening their knives again. All these tax breaks for the rich and for corporations are going to add 1.5 trillion to the US defecit, and they know just how to even that out a bit again: already some Republicans are explaining why cuts to social security and medicare are going to be absolutely necessary.

One of them seems to feel that people who are on those programs won't lift a finger to help themselves, in fact. Another one says it is far better to give people who pass millions to their heirs a tax-break than to give one to the improvident poor, who will just spend it on booze, women and movies.

I really wish I had made those two statements up, but I didn't.

Peacegirl, is any of this going to impact you? Do you use either ACA, Medicaid, Medicare, or Social Security, and if these programs were slashed, how would that change things for you?

And has any of this changed your mind about Trump at all?
WTF, this has nothing to do with the subject matter. Why are you resorting to this kind of bullshit? :glare:
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I am just genuinely curious - if you would rather not talk about it then that is of course absolutely fine. It is just that I find US politics rather fascinating at the moment, and I was wondering if people who voted for Trump feel they are getting what they thought they would get when they cast their vote.
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