Go Back   Freethought Forum > The Marketplace > Arts & Literature

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-02-2006, 06:09 PM
LadyShea's Avatar
LadyShea LadyShea is offline
I said it, so I feel it, dick
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Here
Posts: XXXMDCCCXCVII
Images: 41
Default Showtime new series: Dexter

Did anyone else watch the premier of this series last night? I found it a fascinating premise...serial killer kills other killers and works in forensics for the police.

In flashbacks it is revealed that Dexter's cop foster father realizes this boy is a sociopath with murderous impulses, so helps him "channel" those impulses towards the greater good by killing killers. He teaches him to investigate, profile, and cover his tracks.

All of the charcaters are very one dimensional, to the point of caricature, but I am not yet sure if this is a purposeful device since the show is from the sociopaths POV, or if it is a serious flaw.

I look forward to the next episode, though, I found it interesting.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-02-2006, 07:12 PM
RareBear's Avatar
RareBear RareBear is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baldwin, NY (Long Island)
Posts: CCLIV
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Thought it kinda blew and don't care too much for the message. I could deal with the creepyness of say a "Six Feet Under" where there's comedy and trgedy mixed and death and the macabre are a mere fly-by, but rooting for a sicko to butcher other sickos it just too sicko. I like Michael C. Hall and Showtime dramas and I'll give it another episode or two but the premise is retarded IMO. Why would anyone want to "like" an indulgent, sexually confused murderer, regardless of his quarry?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-02-2006, 07:22 PM
LadyShea's Avatar
LadyShea LadyShea is offline
I said it, so I feel it, dick
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Here
Posts: XXXMDCCCXCVII
Images: 41
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Well, I think it's interesting because you don't want to like him. Certainly a break from tedious formula where the good guys wear white hats or whatever...to me at least. Makes it more provacative and yes, uncomfortable.

Anyway, who says you have to like the main character? Who was the likeable person in Scarface, or Good Fellas, or Casino or Natural Born Killers...or do you personally not like to watch films or shows without a clear cut "good guy"?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-02-2006, 07:30 PM
beyelzu's Avatar
beyelzu beyelzu is offline
simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: georgia
Posts: XMMMCLXVI
Blog Entries: 1
Images: 8
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

i didnt catch it but i do intend to download it soon
__________________
:blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :steve: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss:
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-02-2006, 07:44 PM
RareBear's Avatar
RareBear RareBear is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baldwin, NY (Long Island)
Posts: CCLIV
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyShea
Anyway, who says you have to like the main character? Who was the likeable person in Scarface, or Good Fellas, or Casino or Natural Born Killers...or do you personally not like to watch films or shows without a clear cut "good guy"?
Those are one-time events--movies, not series. If I don't connect with someone as in marginally like them--indeed if they actually turn me off or make me wanna puke, I don't subject myself to them just to be able to say that I'm hip enough to put up with an anti-hero. It's syonara--especially if it's fiction. There's plenty of more appealing documentary or reality TV with some real "gob-smacking" wonder to it than in some dumb fiction series. Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence.

I thought Scarface sucked and Al Pacino was preposterous. I thought Good Fellas was very good and found Ray Liotta, Robert DiNero, Joe Pesci, Paul Sorvino, Lorraine Bracco and the plethora of other characters all "likeable" in some weird way and interesting. Casino was great too--especially Sharon Stone's performance a/w/a DeNiro and Pesci. I had no use for NBK, nothing there for me at all.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-02-2006, 08:04 PM
beyelzu's Avatar
beyelzu beyelzu is offline
simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: georgia
Posts: XMMMCLXVI
Blog Entries: 1
Images: 8
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
There's plenty of more appealing documentary or reality TV with some real "gob-smacking" wonder to it than in some dumb fiction series. Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence.
you know its cool that you dont like that kind of show that you need an emotional connection with the main character to enjoy it, but i dont see why you have to insult someone who might like that sort of thing.


or to put it another way,

if you werent such a cunt you would like the show,


see how that is a bullshit thing to say?
__________________
:blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :steve: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss:
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-02-2006, 08:06 PM
LadyShea's Avatar
LadyShea LadyShea is offline
I said it, so I feel it, dick
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Here
Posts: XXXMDCCCXCVII
Images: 41
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by RareBear
I don't subject myself to them just to be able to say that I'm hip enough to put up with an anti-hero.
Neither do I watch them to say I am "hip" or something. I enjoy the internal thought processes that seem to arise for me, personally.
Quote:
But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence.
I understand a difference in taste, but don't feel it necessary to accuse people who enjoy different things than you do as asleep or non-discerning.

Quote:
I thought Good Fellas was very good and found Ray Liotta, Robert DiNero, Joe Pesci, Paul Sorvino, Lorraine Bracco and the plethora of other characters all "likeable" in some weird way and interesting.
As did I, though they were all anti-heros. I found myself liking Dexter as well.

Quote:
I had no use for NBK, nothing there for me at all.
One of my favorite flicks.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-02-2006, 08:12 PM
RareBear's Avatar
RareBear RareBear is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baldwin, NY (Long Island)
Posts: CCLIV
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by beyelzu
Quote:
There's plenty of more appealing documentary or reality TV with some real "gob-smacking" wonder to it than in some dumb fiction series. Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence.
you know its cool that you dont like that kind of show that you need an emotional connection with the main character to enjoy it, but i dont see why you have to insult someone who might like that sort of thing.


or to put it another way,

if you werent such a cunt you would like the show,


see how that is a bullshit thing to say?
What are you, her mother?

I was answering her question: "...or do you personally not like to watch films or shows without a clear cut "good guy"? by characterizing my attitidude toward dramas where the premise is such a strectch that it breaks the ability to suspend disbelief by saying figuratively to the producers: "Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence." That's not an insult to anyone but people who produce crappy television. If you bothered to read, you'd find that I'm not going so far as to blow this seriers totally off and will give it a few more tries. I suggest if you're going to mind other people's business, you do perhaps a more thorough job.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-02-2006, 08:13 PM
beyelzu's Avatar
beyelzu beyelzu is offline
simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: georgia
Posts: XMMMCLXVI
Blog Entries: 1
Images: 8
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

ladyshea is always nicer than me.


:tmgrin:
__________________
:blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :steve: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss:
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-02-2006, 08:15 PM
beyelzu's Avatar
beyelzu beyelzu is offline
simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: georgia
Posts: XMMMCLXVI
Blog Entries: 1
Images: 8
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by RareBear
Quote:
Originally Posted by beyelzu
Quote:
There's plenty of more appealing documentary or reality TV with some real "gob-smacking" wonder to it than in some dumb fiction series. Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence.
you know its cool that you dont like that kind of show that you need an emotional connection with the main character to enjoy it, but i dont see why you have to insult someone who might like that sort of thing.


or to put it another way,

if you werent such a cunt you would like the show,


see how that is a bullshit thing to say?
What are you, her mother?

I was answering her question: "...or do you personally not like to watch films or shows without a clear cut "good guy"? by characterizing my attitidude toward dramas where the premise is such a strectch that it breaks the ability to suspend disbelief by saying figuratively to the producers: "Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence." That's not an insult to anyone but people who produce crappy television. If you bothered to read, you'd find that I'm not going so far as to blow this seriers totally off and will give it a few more tries. I suggest if you're going to mind other people's business, you do perhaps a more thorough job.
you were being an insulting, insufferable cunt, i let you know about it


that is all.

and of course she can take care of herself, i just always call people on cuntlike behavior when i see it.

your statement basically reads that if someone doesnt find the contrivance irritating they must be stupid or asleep, and considering that ls said she liked it, yeah you were being a touch condescending, if you didnt mean it, then i apologize for calling you a cunt.
__________________
:blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :steve: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss:
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-02-2006, 08:16 PM
beyelzu's Avatar
beyelzu beyelzu is offline
simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: georgia
Posts: XMMMCLXVI
Blog Entries: 1
Images: 8
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

oh and as an aside what "reality" tv do you find to like contrivance?
__________________
:blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :steve: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss: :beloved: :blowkiss:
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-14-2006, 08:16 PM
SharonDee's Avatar
SharonDee SharonDee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Nashville, TN
Gender: Female
Posts: VMDLXXXVII
Blog Entries: 2
Images: 54
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

:bump:

So ... anybody watching this besides me? Weird thing is that the intro credits creep out more than anything happening on the show.
__________________
__________________


Os-cah!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-14-2006, 08:22 PM
wei yau's Avatar
wei yau wei yau is offline
Tellifying
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: XCCCLXI
Images: 155
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

I finally caught up on all the episodes thanks to "On Demand". I like the show, it's interesting. It is certainly done in such a way for you to be on Dexter's "side", but it's more than just his killing of other killers.

The intro is pretty creepy, Sharon.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-14-2006, 08:28 PM
SharonDee's Avatar
SharonDee SharonDee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Nashville, TN
Gender: Female
Posts: VMDLXXXVII
Blog Entries: 2
Images: 54
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

I haven't seen this week's episode yet; I'm planning to catch it tonight. Am I gonna like it?
__________________
__________________


Os-cah!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-14-2006, 08:51 PM
LadyShea's Avatar
LadyShea LadyShea is offline
I said it, so I feel it, dick
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Here
Posts: XXXMDCCCXCVII
Images: 41
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

I just watched on on DVR that was good. Don't know if it was the latest one or not
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-14-2006, 09:08 PM
Kevlar's Avatar
Kevlar Kevlar is online now
ABV: 15% IBU: 150
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Portland, Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: MMMCDLXXXV
Images: 16
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Yeah, it was pretty good, but I can't tell you anything about it or I'll ruin it.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-14-2006, 09:10 PM
wei yau's Avatar
wei yau wei yau is offline
Tellifying
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: XCCCLXI
Images: 155
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Echoing Kevlar, it was a good episode, but I don't want to spoil it. I think you'll like it, Sharon.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-14-2006, 10:11 PM
RareBear's Avatar
RareBear RareBear is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baldwin, NY (Long Island)
Posts: CCLIV
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by beyelzu
Quote:
Originally Posted by RareBear
Quote:
Originally Posted by beyelzu
Quote:
There's plenty of more appealing documentary or reality TV with some real "gob-smacking" wonder to it than in some dumb fiction series. Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence.
you know its cool that you dont like that kind of show that you need an emotional connection with the main character to enjoy it, but i dont see why you have to insult someone who might like that sort of thing.


or to put it another way,

if you werent such a cunt you would like the show,


see how that is a bullshit thing to say?
What are you, her mother?

I was answering her question: "...or do you personally not like to watch films or shows without a clear cut "good guy"? by characterizing my attitidude toward dramas where the premise is such a strectch that it breaks the ability to suspend disbelief by saying figuratively to the producers: "Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence." That's not an insult to anyone but people who produce crappy television. If you bothered to read, you'd find that I'm not going so far as to blow this seriers totally off and will give it a few more tries. I suggest if you're going to mind other people's business, you do perhaps a more thorough job.
you were being an insulting, insufferable cunt, i let you know about it


that is all.

and of course she can take care of herself, i just always call people on cuntlike behavior when i see it.

your statement basically reads that if someone doesnt find the contrivance irritating they must be stupid or asleep, and considering that ls said she liked it, yeah you were being a touch condescending, if you didnt mean it, then i apologize for calling you a cunt.
Try minding your own business. There's no excuse for remarks like that.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-14-2006, 11:03 PM
Sock Puppet's Avatar
Sock Puppet Sock Puppet is offline
correct, as always
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Down by the Bay
Posts: XMMMCMXCVIII
Blog Entries: 7
Images: 120
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by RareBear
I was answering her question: "...or do you personally not like to watch films or shows without a clear cut "good guy"? by characterizing my attitidude toward dramas where the premise is such a strectch that it breaks the ability to suspend disbelief by saying figuratively to the producers: "Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence.
You sound like you're conflating the plot contrivance of this show with any drama that features an antihero. While this show may have a simplistic premise (I haven't seen it), it is not inherently simplistic for a drama to have an unlikeable or ambiguous protagonist. In fact, that can lead to a fascinating complexity of relationships between the characters in the drama as well as a compelling self-examination on the part of the viewer/reader. But I suppose I should start a different thread on that.
__________________
:sockpuppet:...........
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-14-2006, 11:53 PM
RareBear's Avatar
RareBear RareBear is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baldwin, NY (Long Island)
Posts: CCLIV
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sock Puppet
Quote:
Originally Posted by RareBear
I was answering her question: "...or do you personally not like to watch films or shows without a clear cut "good guy"? by characterizing my attitidude toward dramas where the premise is such a strectch that it breaks the ability to suspend disbelief by saying figuratively to the producers: "Work it for people who don't know any better. But if you're awake and discerning, the contrivance is a grating insult on the intelligence.
You sound like you're conflating the plot contrivance of this show with any drama that features an antihero. While this show may have a simplistic premise (I haven't seen it), it is not inherently simplistic for a drama to have an unlikeable or ambiguous protagonist. In fact, that can lead to a fascinating complexity of relationships between the characters in the drama as well as a compelling self-examination on the part of the viewer/reader. But I suppose I should start a different thread on that.
This is all rather ancient and not worth bothering with going back and micro analyzing who said what and why. To my recollection I was commenting about fiction that goes too far past the credibility gap so that it becomes a contivance too obvious to flow with for some persons (like myself). I also said that the premise for this series strikes me in negative ways--a serial killer vigilante who works for the coroner's office just dosen't get for me. The guy is frigid with significant others and has an ongoing twisted vigilante murder dialogue with his deceased father. That might work as a one-time drama movie but I have problems wanting to revisit and "care" favorably about this character in an ongoing series.

I don't say that "characters" have to be likeable as in the sense that they have to appeal to the mainstream or that anti-heros can't be interesting or compelling. Those misjudgements we projected upon my opinions with some contentiousness which I did not react all that well to. I didn't like the inferrence that I'm not up to knowing the difference. I'm 51 years old, an avid movie goer and have studied film at School of Visual Arts in NYC. Some people just jump to conclusions and take things negatively rather than giving the benefit of the doubt.

I watched the first four Dexter's and decided after giving it enough of a chance that I could bail and not feel like I'm missing anything. I like Tony Soprano even though has murdered. But Dexter is too into the twisting of it into a sex substitute which I don't care to plug myself into. Pretty simple. And sorry if that rains on anyone's parade.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 11-14-2006, 11:57 PM
Sock Puppet's Avatar
Sock Puppet Sock Puppet is offline
correct, as always
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Down by the Bay
Posts: XMMMCMXCVIII
Blog Entries: 7
Images: 120
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

I was attempting to get a clarification of your statement, and thought I was doing it rather respectfully. Untwist your panties.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RareBear
Some people just jump to conclusions and take things negatively rather than giving the benefit of the doubt.
Exactly.
__________________
:sockpuppet:...........
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-15-2006, 12:05 AM
RareBear's Avatar
RareBear RareBear is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baldwin, NY (Long Island)
Posts: CCLIV
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sock Puppet
I was attempting to get a clarification of your statement, and thought I was doing it rather respectfully. Untwist your panties.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RareBear
Some people just jump to conclusions and take things negatively rather than giving the benefit of the doubt.
Exactly.
I didn't mean that towards you. It was about the first poster who quoted me and made the presumptuous remark about not being able to like an anti-hero. But I guess i was right, some people do just jump to conclusions.

I thought I gave a thorough and consiliatory explanation of the evolution of some BS that went on with me and other posters here and you just seized on something not intended for you. Untwist your panties and pay a little better attention.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-15-2006, 12:09 AM
Sock Puppet's Avatar
Sock Puppet Sock Puppet is offline
correct, as always
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Down by the Bay
Posts: XMMMCMXCVIII
Blog Entries: 7
Images: 120
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Geez, and you're 51? I would have guessed 12. Grow the fuck up and pay a little better attention to what you post. When you quote someone and then launch into a self-justifying tirade, don't be surprised at the misunderstandings you get.
__________________
:sockpuppet:...........
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-15-2006, 12:13 AM
RareBear's Avatar
RareBear RareBear is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Baldwin, NY (Long Island)
Posts: CCLIV
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sock Puppet
Geez, and you're 51? I would have guessed 12. Grow the fuck up and pay a little better attention to what you post. When you quote someone and then launch into a self-justifying tirade, don't be surprised at the misunderstandings you get.
So that's what this was all about. You just being a fucking ferret. I gave you courteousy and you twisted it. Whatever your problem is, you're a fucking asshole. Syonara shit head.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 11-15-2006, 12:15 AM
Sock Puppet's Avatar
Sock Puppet Sock Puppet is offline
correct, as always
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Down by the Bay
Posts: XMMMCMXCVIII
Blog Entries: 7
Images: 120
Default Re: Showtime new series: Dexter

Ferret? Whatever, fuckwit. I was being courteous to start with, until you continued unabated in your full-on defensive mode. You're a childish little shit in a grown man's body.
__________________
:sockpuppet:...........
Reply With Quote
Reply

  Freethought Forum > The Marketplace > Arts & Literature


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

 

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Page generated in 0.21981 seconds with 13 queries