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06-09-2014, 07:25 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Join Date: May 2009
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
I took the time to read the actual study, you should as well. As a test of your honesty, see if you can find the flaw which makes the conclusions invalid.
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06-09-2014, 07:31 PM
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Vice Cobra Assistant Commander
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
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Originally Posted by Jerome
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Originally Posted by Adam
The dishonesty! It burns!
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It is not made apparent in the big highlighted text of the email sent out. The casual reader of the article will assume the only thing different is the name, which is not true, but is the impression given.
That is dishonest.
The article says: "The e-mails read as follows:" followed by the English text of the email. That is a lie, emails were sent out in Spanish also. Immediately followed by "The key to the experiment lies in that voter name field.", again dishonest in not stating that there were Spanish text emails sent, implying the only difference was the name.
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Yep, that crucial detail was buried three* whole sentences further down, and before any discussion of the study's findings. Rampant dishonesty, there.
*ETA: Actually, , if you measure from the bit about the names differing, which is what you're bitching about now, the dishonestly concealed information is squirreled away in the very next sentence. I suppose "casual readers" who skip every third sentence will be very cunningly deceived by this rank dishonesty.
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06-10-2014, 03:35 PM
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A fellow sophisticate
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
A former resident of New Hampshire and registered Democrat Lorin Schneider pleaded guilty to voting in New Hampshire despite moving to Carver, Massachusetts a couple of decades previously. He was registered under his old address. Schneider was given a suspended sentence with five years of good behavior, and ordered to pay a $5,000 fine plus a 24% penalty.
TFA doesn't say whether or not he voted in Massachusetts too.
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06-11-2014, 09:13 PM
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Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerome
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Originally Posted by Jerome
Sending a Spanish version to a Spanish speaking legislator in south Florida is more likely to get a response than sending the same to an English speaking legislator in Wisconsin.
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You went through the trouble of finding the link to the study, and then made an accusation without even looking at the paper.
They sent four types of emails:
Jacob Smith writing in English
Santiago Rodriguez writing in English
Jacob Smith writing in Spanish
Santiago Rodriguez writing in Spanish
The response rate for the Spanish emails was substantially lower overall. But the response rate to Santiago Rodriguez in Spanish was also lower than to Jacob Smith in Spanish.
The Wisconsin legislator might be unlikely to have a Spanish-speaker on staff. But they were also less likely to respond to a Rodriguez than a Smith no matter what the language.
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06-12-2014, 03:20 AM
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Safety glasses off, motherfuckers
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
The Next Big Whack at the Voting Rights Act
i'm too tired to process this shit properly but it sounds dire
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06-13-2014, 09:44 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Join Date: May 2009
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
Erimir, there is no determination in the study as to whom what was sent.
Sending a Spanish version to a Spanish speaking legislator in south Florida is more likely to get a response than sending the same to an English speaking legislator in Wisconsin.
Thus the study can be manipulated to gain whatever results were desired by selecting who got what type of email.
invalid study is invalid
A valid study would be to send all four types of emails to all the legislators.
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06-13-2014, 11:24 PM
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Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
The study says that legislators were randomly assigned to one of the four conditions. So you read it and are lying... or you didn't read it and are bullshitting.
Sending each of them four identical emails would be more attention getting, so it makes sense not to do that.
If you're accusing them of manipulating their data then that's nothing to do with methodology. Just come out and call them liars in that case.
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06-14-2014, 12:50 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
The results are manipulated by chance. Sending the four emails to all the legislators is the proper methodology.
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06-14-2014, 01:31 AM
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Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
So now you're just calling into question the very idea of using randomly assigned conditions?
Because that's "manipulating" the results?
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06-14-2014, 03:33 AM
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the internet says I'm right
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
It's like saying you have to test drugs by giving every group the real drug AND the placebo. Because methodology!
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06-14-2014, 05:40 AM
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Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
If Jerome is fishing for a complaint, he should complain about sample size, not the random assignment of conditions.
Not saying that's a valid complaint either, but at least it could be.
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06-14-2014, 12:27 PM
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Clutchenheimer
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
An argument about scientific methodology with the poster who objected to the science of immunology because he thought HIV viruses were the wrong colour?
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06-14-2014, 12:29 PM
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the internet says I'm right
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
Okay, sure, but what color are these alleged emails, huh? Huh?!
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06-14-2014, 12:53 PM
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Clutchenheimer
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
What matters is that you give all test treatments and all placebos to all participants in a trial. It's the only way to be sure. Otherwise, what? You randomize somehow? Sounds like liberal bullshit to me.
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06-24-2014, 09:30 PM
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Safety glasses off, motherfuckers
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
Actual case of voter fraud discovered. The serial voter voted eight additional times in five elections, and yes, he was a Republican.
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10-08-2014, 12:03 AM
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Bizarre unknowable space alien
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
I totally blew my chance to commit voter fraud this week. I got two postcards for getting absentee ballots addressed to people who don't live in my house. They may live in the house with the same address in Flint Twp, but I think they were evicted. Mainly because the eviction order got taped to my door and I had to call the court to fix it as well as the rental agency to ream them out.
I did what I always do with their mail and put it back out for the mail person with a note. It wasn't until after it was collected that I realized I could have nabbed the ballot and committed voter fraud. I'm so bad at being dishonest.
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10-09-2014, 12:41 PM
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A fellow sophisticate
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
You missed your chance to vote early and vote often. That's the Chicago way.
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10-10-2014, 11:47 PM
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Forum Killer
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch Munny
An argument about scientific methodology with the poster who objected to the science of immunology because he thought HIV viruses were the wrong colour?
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Excuse me? What? Link?
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10-11-2014, 12:22 AM
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liar in wolf's clothing
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corona688
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Originally Posted by Clutch Munny
An argument about scientific methodology with the poster who objected to the science of immunology because he thought HIV viruses were the wrong colour?
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Excuse me? What? Link?
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Oh, it is a classic. Here via here.
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10-11-2014, 02:38 AM
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Forum Killer
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
Wow.
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10-22-2014, 11:32 PM
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Safety glasses off, motherfuckers
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
The latest instance of alleged voter fraud turns out to be, what's the technical term? Ah, yes. Bullshit!
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10-23-2014, 01:06 AM
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A fellow sophisticate
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
Damn dirty brown citizens voting like they had a right to.[sarcmark]
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10-23-2014, 01:43 AM
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Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
And he is just flat out lying pretending he doesn't know exactly what the guy is doing, just like those terrible ladies the last time I voted in person.
He knows that what that guy was doing is perfectly normal and perfectly legal (with the possible exception of sealing that one ballot, if that part happened), and he is intentionally riling up a bunch of irrational, ignorant wingnuts by acting like he doesn't know that. What a piece of shit.
BTW, Tomorrow, Matlock and I are going to get our shittiest legally allowable identifications and use that as our voter IDs at the same place and those ladies better not give us any crap, or we will TATTLE ON THEM AGAIN.
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10-23-2014, 01:55 AM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
You've got to hand it too Republicans they sure do know how to stir the paranoid pot of racists that make up their current base.
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10-24-2014, 05:17 PM
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Flyover Hillbilly
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Re: Voter fraud vs. voter *registration* fraud
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Originally Posted by lisarea
BTW, Tomorrow, Matlock and I are going to get our shittiest legally allowable identifications and use that as our voter IDs at the same place and those ladies better not give us any crap, or we will TATTLE ON THEM AGAIN.
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Mr. Pee used a utility bill, I used a monthly credit union statement, and things went smoothly. Those jacked up wingnut hags who harassed Lisa back in 2012 were nowhere to be seen. The City and County of Juggalonia got it right -- this time.
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