Public funding of private schools

[LadyShea]

No, I don't want taxpayer funds paying for this kind of education. Voucher programs are a problem due to this.

Loch Ness Monster used to debunk evolution in state-funded school

According to the Herald, one textbook, Biology 1099, reads, "Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence. Have you heard of the 'Loch Ness Monster' in Scotland? 'Nessie' for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur."

Starting in the fall, thousands of schoolchildren will receive publicly funded vouchers to attend private schools, some of which are religious. Religious schools in Louisiana will receive public funding as part of a push from Louisiana's governor, Bobby Jindal, to move millions of tax dollars to cover tuition for private schools, including small bible-based church schools. Money will fund schools that have "bible-based math books" and biology texts that refute evolution.

[thedoc]

[quote=LadyShea;1074383]No, I don't want taxpayer funds paying for this kind of education. Voucher programs are a problem due to this.

Loch Ness Monster used to debunk evolution in state-funded school

According to the Herald, one textbook, Biology 1099, reads, "Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence. Have you heard of the 'Loch Ness Monster' in Scotland? 'Nessie' for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur."

Starting in the fall, thousands of schoolchildren will receive publicly funded vouchers to attend private schools, some of which are religious. Religious schools in Louisiana will receive public funding as part of a push from Louisiana's governor, Bobby Jindal, to move millions of tax dollars to cover tuition for private schools, including small bible-based church schools. Money will fund schools that have "bible-based math books" and biology texts that refute evolution.[/quote]

This could be challenged and struck down for violating the seperation of Church and State. I would not want tax money going to religious based schools.

[LadyShea]

I think it's being challenged, but is within the law for now.

Vouchers are just a bad idea to me. Put the public money into improving the public schools, not into the pockets of private and religious schools

These lawsuits won’t be filed on church-state grounds. Unfortunately, that’s no longer possible. Louisiana used to have strong language in its state constitution mandating the separation of church and state and barring the diversion of public funds to religious schools. That safeguard was removed in 1974 as part of a constitutional revision campaign led by sectarian lobbies.

Instead, Louisiana educators are arguing in court that the voucher bill violates another provision of the state constitution that says tax monies drawn from the Minimum Foundation Program must be used for “all public elementary and secondary schools, as well as to equitably allocate the funds to parish and city school systems.”

The education groups assert that this language means that tax money can only be spent on public schools, not diverted to private ones.

I hope they are successful in court. But in the meantime, other states should look at what happened in Louisiana as a cautionary tale. In Florida, voters are being asked to repeal that state’s strong church-state language, a provision that, like the one Louisiana once had, bars public funding of religious schools.

[thedoc]

Of course there is another dodge that any parent who sends thier children to private schools could simply have their 'school taxes' forgiven so they would not pay them and the money could then be spent on private tuition.

[Ari]

Except then all the old crotchety folks who already vote down every school funding bill, would want their taxes back too since they don't have a child going to school at all.

[lisarea]

I had a pretty big falling out with a friend who thought her parents were so clever for moving to a retirement community so they wouldn't have to pay school taxes anymore after their kids got theirs.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Ari

Except then all the old crotchety folks who already vote down every school funding bill, would want their taxes back too since they don't have a child going to school at all.

That should be denied unless they sent their kids to private schools and only for the years their kids are in school.

[maddog]

EVERYBODY -- kids or not -- benefits from an educated populace. That's the kind of investment that taxes are for -- the common welfare.

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[Ensign Steve]

I had that conversation with my mom when I was in private school, so it was sometime fifth grade or earlier. She commented that it would be nice not to have to pay for the public education I wasn't receiving in addition to the private school one she was already paying for, and I said, "but what about all the people who pay taxes and don't have kids in school at all?" And she said, "good point."

[Ari]

It's always confused me, whether you've had kids or don't even want kids, children are literally our future, not giving them a good education seems like shooting humanity in the foot.

Letting people siphon away money from a cash strapped system because it's broken and needs a huge influx of cash in the right areas (straight to teachers skipping administration douches) seems like a great way to break it even further.

[maddog]

Originally Posted by Ari

It's always confused me, whether you've had kids or don't even want kids, children are literally our future, not giving them a good education seems like shooting humanity in the foot head.

FIFY

Originally Posted by Ari

Letting people siphon away money from a cash strapped system because it's broken and needs a huge influx of cash in the right areas (straight to teachers skipping administration douches) seems like a great way to break it even further.

There has been a concerted effort for about the last 40 years to kill off public education, as part and parcel of killing off government. The transfer of public money into private hands puts the lie to "taxes are bad" and "government is bad." Of course it is, ... unless YOU are the one getting the money. There are some things that require investment, and do not produce an immediate return. Education is one of those things. That's why it doesn't make sense to try to run it "for profit" -- it's not inherently a money-making enterprise, it's a money-costing exercise. That's why pooling our resources to make that investment (i.e., government via taxes) is a rational way to fulfill these functions. Now they are trying to run "for profit" schools, "for profit" adjudication systems, and "for profit" prisons. The "for profit" motive gives an incentive to process volumes of warm bodies, and not necessarily to educate anyone, do "justice for all" (instead of the steady customers), or to reform anyone or prepare them for reentry into society. And the fact that all these "for profit" enterprises are still essentially feeding at the public trough puts the lie to the idea that they are really "for profit" enterprises in the first place. There is a reason that these are traditionally governmental functions, not private enterprise "for profit" functions.

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[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by Ari

It's always confused me, whether you've had kids or don't even want kids, children are literally our future, not giving them a good education seems like shooting humanity in the foot.

Olds don't have a future. Why should they care about someone else's future?

[SR71]

Originally Posted by Angakuk

Olds don't have a future. Why should they care about someone else's future?

You are an awful, awful, man, Mr. Angakuk. Ayn Miserable Libertardian getting to you?

[Angakuk]

Moi?

[MonCapitan2002]

It is my opinion that all private educational institutions should be barred from receiving any kind of public funding for any reason. I don't care if the school is parochial, for profit or whatever. All educational funding that the government provides should go to public schools exclusively.

[ImGod]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

No, I don't want taxpayer funds paying for this kind of education. Voucher programs are a problem due to this.

Loch Ness Monster used to debunk evolution in state-funded school

There's a good explaination for this; people in Louisiana appear to be fucking stupid. Wait, wut? Louisiana legislators figure out school voucher funding is not just for christians

Originally Posted by Dumbass

Rep. Valarie Hodges, a Republican who represents East Baton Rouge and Livingston, now says she wishes she hadn’t voted for the Jindal voucher bill.

“I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion, which is Christianity, in public schools or private schools,” Hodges told the Livingston Parish News.

“I liked the idea of giving parents the option of sending their children to a public school or a Christian school,” Hodges added.

The newspaper reported that she “mistakenly assumed that ‘religious’ meant ‘Christian.’”

“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion,” Hodges told the News. “We need to insure that it does not open the door to fund radical Islam schools. There are a thousand Muslim schools that have sprung up recently. I do not support using public funds for teaching Islam anywhere here in Louisiana.”

[LadyShea]

The newspaper reported that she “mistakenly assumed that ‘religious’ meant ‘Christian.’”

Perhaps Bobby can get her a thesaurus for Christmas

[wildernesse]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Perhaps Bobby can get her a thesaurus for Christmas

Only if it's one that walked with humans.

[naturalist.atheist]

I really don't care one way or the other how education gets funded. No matter how it's done we will end up paying for it. There is no doubt in my mind that education is necessary if not crucial. What concerns me more is that however it is funded that it produce good value for all concerned.

[LadyShea]

Oh hai Louisiana! Your public funds for private schools, and public schools acting like private schools, is going great, huh?

Guess what, publicly funded charter schools are NOT private schools, and so do not get to violate their students civil rights...who knew?

Delhi Charter School In Louisiana Forces Girls To Take Pregnancy Tests, Kicks Out Students Who Test Positive Or Refuse

In a letter to Delhi school officials Aug. 6, ACLU of Louisiana Executive Director Marjorie Esman points out that school policies also violate the Equal Protection Clause and Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment "by imposing an irrebuttable presumption that pregnant students are unable to continue to attend classes" and "raises serious concerns of vagueness in violation of the First Amendment."

[erimir]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Oh hai Louisiana! Your public funds for private schools, and pubic schools acting like private schools, is going great, huh?

[AynMisesLibertarian]

If I have no chidren, what moral right does someone have to take my money to educate another's child, and to teach that child(who will be my future competitor for scarce resources) things I do not believe in??

[AynMisesLibertarian]

In Europe, especially in Germany, hoisting a swastika-emblazoned Nazi flag is a crime. For decades after World War II, people have hunted down and sought punishment for Nazi murderers, who were responsible for the deaths of more than 20 million people.

Here's my question: Why are the horrors of Nazism so well-known and widely condemned but not those of socialism and communism? What goes untaught — and possibly is covered up — is that socialist and communist ideas have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history. You say, "Williams, what in the world are you talking about? Socialists, communists and their fellow travelers, such as the Wall Street occupiers supported by our president, care about the little guy in his struggle for a fair shake! They're trying to promote social justice." Let's look at some of the history of socialism and communism.

What's not appreciated is that Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, the term Nazi stands for the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler's Nazis pale in comparison with the horrors committed by the communists in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People's Republic of China. Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin and their successors murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 62 million of their own people. Between 1949 and 1987, China's communists, led by Mao Zedong and his successors, murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 76 million Chinese. The most authoritative tally of history's most murderous regimes is documented on University of Hawaii Professor Rudolph J. Rummel's website, at Freedom, Democide, War: Home Page, and in his book "Death by Government."

Quoted from "Libs, Progressives and Socialists" by Walter Williams.

Quote and link, please, AynMisesLibertarian. Don't steal other people's intellectual (in a matter of speaking) property. -- liv

[LadyShea]

Did your parents pay for private education for you AML, or homeschool you, or did they immorally use publicly funded schools?

Either way you are barely literate, so they didn't get their money's worth.

[AynMisesLibertarian]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Did your parents pay for private education for you AML, or homeschool you, or did they immorally use publicly funded schools?

Either way you are barely literate, so they didn't get their money's worth.

at least I'm not a woman

go back in the kicken bitch