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Idea ActivityPub

What would it take to implement ActivityPub on :ff:?

Would we even want to?

Asking mainly out of curiosity, but I'm sure it's just a simple matter of programming.

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Pretty sure we wouldn't want to, but when has that ever stopped progress ...
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Interesting idea. I didn't know much (okay anything) about ActivityPub until 10 minutes ago, but this article is a good overview.

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[...] if ActivityPub really takes off, there might not need to be a next big thing at all. A couple of dominant platforms would be replaced by millions of interoperable smaller ones [...]
I think one of the reasons Fb, Insta, and Twitter were so wildly successful was their ubiquity. Everyone knows how to use them, and if they don't they can ask pretty much anyone they know for help. I don't know how that works in a world where there are millions of unique interfaces.
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A major issue with facebook style social media is that too many people are on it and connected to you. People don't want 'all their normal social responsibilities, but online' and as soon as people's parents start joining and adding their kids, those kids start to hunt for a new social media site. Half the reason tiktok is popular is that parents are in panic mode instead of joining in.

Now a major issue with tweet style social media is that not enough people are on them and connected. A big driver of back and forth is the fact that both liberals and conservatives (or whatever dichotomy) have other reasons to be there than just to be trashed by the opposition.

I still don't fully understand what ActivityPub is trying to do, but if it's trying to be both of these network styles at once, well good luck to them!
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I don't know how that works in a world where there are millions of unique interfaces.
Sadly, I do know. Welcome to the world wide web 1998.
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I don't know how that works in a world where there are millions of unique interfaces.
The start of that article mentions several platforms we've all already heard of that are at least planning to support ActivityPub, and two of them are open source and thus the obvious choice for most people who want to dabble with hosting. UI tends to converge anyway - it's not like vBulletin and PhpBB felt very different for end users, or blog comment systems. Or different web browsers for that matter.

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I still don't fully understand what ActivityPub is trying to do
I think it's mostly "online interaction is something lots of people want to do, but there's a lot of crappy stuff which comes with it being run by large companies, so what if we could decentralise"? I'm skeptical that decentralisation can solve all the problems with social media as is - data misuse and security for example (although I think the risks are different with many small instances vs. few large corporate ones). But it could have some improvements over status quo.
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Pretty sure we wouldn't want to, but when has that ever stopped progress ...
I'm not even sure what it would look like, but the question seems interesting. Are we a small isolated community that's mostly known each other online for years, or are we a place where whoever wants to join can discuss whatever they like in a minimally moderated environment?
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Are we a small isolated community that's mostly known each other online for years, or are we a place where whoever wants to join can discuss whatever they like in a minimally moderated environment?
Yes.

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What it might actually look like ...

First and foremost, the extra load would cause 503 errors and duplicate posts.


:ff: would still be posts in threads in forums (ignoring the gallery section and the blog section and the articles section ... which might be simpler). It's not obvious that creating new threads from federated servers would work, as they'd have to identify the forum and provide a thread title. But replies to existing threads could work - you'd see user names like @riikka@mstdnsuomi.fi instead of like JoeP. On their end, they would see threads and posts on :ff: as statuses and replies or some such, depending on how they present things.

In the reverse, federation would in theory allow us on :ff: to see activity on other servers in some kind of swamp of unstructured timeline chaos ... possibly grouped under some other forum title ... "Goths, Visigoths and Huns" say.

But we wouldn't have to allow a free-for-all - you can choose to federate to some servers only, or block any you don't like.
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Are we a small isolated community that's mostly known each other online for years, or are we a place where whoever wants to join can discuss whatever they like in a minimally moderated environment?
Like Jope said both of these are true today without ActivePub, and it's not clear (to me, anyway) if/how adding support for it would change this reality.

It is interesting though, and I do hate that US billionaires control most of the social media ecosystem. I wish there was a social media platform that was free, democratically operated, and global, but that is obviously a pipe dream.
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Like Jope said both of these are true today without ActivePub, and it's not clear (to me, anyway) if/how adding support for it would change this reality.
I guess I see it as the difference between a walled garden in an isolated monastery that people can technically discover and visit but rarely do, and a small public park in a quiet town that is at least on a map and has a public road leading to it.

Whether ActivityPub itself is a decent mechanism for achieving this is a different question. I'm more curious about the concepts than the implementation, and I'm not really making a serious suggestion, so maybe this thread would belong better in the Tech forum.
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Are you saying nobody links to us?
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Yes. Yes I am.

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In the reverse, federation would in theory allow us on :ff: to see activity on other servers in some kind of swamp of unstructured timeline chaos ... possibly grouped under some other forum title ... "Goths, Visigoths and Huns" say.
What about the Vandals? Won't somebody think of the Vandals?
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