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How many incidences of cancer, autism, autoimmune disorder, food allergy and many other life threatening or damaging maladies could have been avoided if we had focused on the root cause, the one thing all of these blights have in common … vaccines
You have got to be kidding me. Vaccines are not the "one" thing. We had this discussion years ago too! Air, water, food are all things we have in common.
Of course, but vaccines are a common denominator that cannot be overlooked. In fact, they may turn out to be the largest contributor to childhood injury, illness and death. These metals that go directly into a baby's bloodstream are cumulative. They know that a subset of children cannot metabolize these metals efficiently.
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Did you go to the link I provided? He tells you what research he has done and its impressive. But you won't go there because he doesn't have the "credentials" you would expect. Just like my father. :glare:
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I know dumbfucks who have been "investigating" UFOs and Bigfoot for longer than that and they don't know squat, not even sasquat.
True, but why are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater? You cannot automatically categorize every single antivaxxer as a loonie.
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How many incidences of cancer, autism, autoimmune disorder, food allergy and many other life threatening or damaging maladies could have been avoided if we had focused on the root cause, the one thing all of these blights have in common … vaccines
You have got to be kidding me. Vaccines are not the "one" thing. We had this discussion years ago too! Air, water, food are all things we have in common.
Of course, but vaccines are a common denominator that cannot be overlooked. In fact, they may turn out to be the largest contributor to childhood injury, illness and death. These metals that go directly into a baby's bloodstream are cumulative. They know that a subset of children cannot metabolize these metals efficiently.
Well then lets see some hard evidence using good methodology and then you got something. Otherwise you are still just braying like an ass as you were three years ago when we had these same discussions about the same people and the same papers.
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True, but why are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater? You cannot automatically categorize every single antivaxxer as a loonie.
I don't even think you can categorize every single antivaxxer as an antivaxxer. The term is thrown around indiscriminately and widely misapplied. 'Loonie' even more so.
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Did you go to the link I provided? He tells you what research he has done and its impressive. But you won't go there because he doesn't have the "credentials" you would expect. Just like my father. :glare:
Where did it say the type of research and methodology? You linked to an ad for his book.
I told you to scroll down to the middle of the page. It is basically an overview of his book. He talks about the history of vaccination and lists all of the vaccinations that are given, their potential side-effects, and the latest developments so a parent can make an informed decision. He does not offer double blind studies in the book because they are inadequate to the task of proving the dangers of the present vaccine schedule.
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Did you go to the link I provided? He tells you what research he has done and its impressive. But you won't go there because he doesn't have the "credentials" you would expect. Just like my father. :glare:
Where did it say the type of research and methodology? You linked to an ad for his book.
I told you to scroll down to the middle of the page. It is basically an overview of his book. He talks about the history of vaccination and lists all of the vaccinations that are given, their potential side-effects, and the latest developments so a parent can make an informed decision. He does not offer double blind studies in the book because they are inadequate to the task of proving the dangers of the present vaccine schedule.
LOL so all he did was compile other people's anti-vax arguments into a book?
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I know dumbfucks who have been "investigating" UFOs and Bigfoot for longer than that and they don't know squat, not even sasquat.
True, but why are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater? You cannot automatically categorize every single antivaxxer as a loonie.
I don't even think you can categorize every single antivaxxer as an antivaxxer.
Some people are classified as antivaxxers when they are only advocating safer vaccines. I happen to be a bonafide anti-vaxxer, and I'm proud of it.
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Did you go to the link I provided? He tells you what research he has done and its impressive. But you won't go there because he doesn't have the "credentials" you would expect. Just like my father. :glare:
Where did it say the type of research and methodology? You linked to an ad for his book.
I told you to scroll down to the middle of the page. It is basically an overview of his book. He talks about the history of vaccination and lists all of the vaccinations that are given, their potential side-effects, and the latest developments so a parent can make an informed decision. He does not offer double blind studies in the book because they are inadequate to the task of proving the dangers of the present vaccine schedule.
LOL so all he did was compile other people's anti-vax arguments into a book?
He refers to historical accounts of when a disease occurred and when the disease was on the decline. He doesn't just copy and paste other people's arguments. He also offers some parental anecdotal accounts of vaccine injury that were given at Congressional hearings. It's a jam packed book filled with graphs and adverse reaction reports.
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You have got to be kidding me. Vaccines are not the "one" thing. We had this discussion years ago too! Air, water, food are all things we have in common.
Of course, but vaccines are a common denominator that cannot be overlooked. In fact, they may turn out to be the largest contributor to childhood injury, illness and death. These metals that go directly into a baby's bloodstream are cumulative. They know that a subset of children cannot metabolize these metals efficiently.
Well then lets see some hard evidence using good methodology and then you got something. Otherwise you are still just braying like an ass as you were three years ago when we had these same discussions about the same people and the same papers.
I beg to differ who is the one braying like an ass as they were three years ago. If this wasn't such an important subject, I would be :lmao: right now.
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The anti vaxxers have zero verified or credible evidence, only surveys and biased interpretations of actual studies and anecdotes and quacks with monetary motivations and playing with numbers. Why is that do you think? Why in all of these years have they not done any actual research using good methodology?
Your standard of what comprises a good methodology (the typical double blind study) is actually the problem. When it comes to vaccine safety testing, these studies are woefully incomplete. Unfortunately, you can't deal with that fact.
You have failed to show that it is a fact :shrug: You just keep posting opinions by the same set of loons over and over, none of which are valid in any way.
That's just not true. There will come a time when you will be unable to keep using the same old excuse to ignore the research being done that definitively shows not only a correlation to the many injuries that are occurring, but causation as well.
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We also discussed the "whistleblower" here: Freethought Forum - View Single Post - A revolution in thought that was also posted for you at CFI I noted, and you ignored it

Do you have anything new to add to this discussion? Just because you forget everything after a few days doesn't mean the rest of us do.
According to Dr. Hooker, the CDC whistleblower informant -- who wishes to remain anonymous -- guided him to evidence that a statistically significant relationship between the age the MMR vaccine was first given and autism incidence in African-American boys was hidden by CDC researchers. After data were gathered on 2,583 children living in Atlanta, Georgia who were born between 1986 and 1993, CDC researchers excluded children that did not have a valid State of Georgia birth certificate -- reducing the sample size being studied by 41%. Hooker explains that by introducing this arbitrary criteria into the analysis, the cohort size was sharply reduced, eliminating the statistical power of the findings and negating the strong MMR-autism link in African American boys.

Dr. Hooker has worked closely with the CDC whistleblower, and he viewed highly sensitive documents related to the study via Congressional request from U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The CDC documents from Congress and discussions that Hooker had with the whistleblower reveal widespread manipulation of scientific data and top-down pressure on CDC scientists to support fraudulent application of government policies on vaccine safety. Based on raw data used in the 2004 DeStefano et al study obtained under FOIA, Dr. Hooker found that the link between MMR vaccination and autism in African-American boys was obscured by the introduction of irrelevant and unnecessary birth certificate criteria -- ostensibly to reduce the size of the study.

The results of the original study first appeared in the journal Pediatrics which receives financial support from vaccine makers via advertising and direct donations, according to a CBS News report. The DeStefano et al study is widely used by the CDC and other public health organizations to dismiss any link between vaccines and autism -- a neurological disorder on the rise.

Dr. Hooker stated "The CDC knew about the relationship between the age of first MMR vaccine and autism incidence in African-American boys as early as 2003, but chose to cover it up." The whistleblower confirmed this.

When asked if there could be any scientific basis for excluding children born outside of Georgia, Hooker responded, "I know of none, and none has been provided by the authors of the DeStefano study." He added, "The exclusion is reminiscent of tactics historically used to deprive African-Americans of the vote by requiring valid birth certificates."

Dr. Hooker concluded further study is needed to determine why this specific effect (3.4-fold increase when MMR is administered prior to 36 months) is seen exclusively in African-American males, and determine whether delaying the first MMR vaccination should be advised for this population. A link between the MMR vaccine and autism has been conceded in cases compensated by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

The CDC whistleblower informant, who has worked for the government agency for over a decade, remarked to Dr. Hooker in phone calls: "We've missed ten years of research because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism. They're not doing what they should be doing because they're afraid to look for things that might be associated." The whistleblower alleges criminal wrongdoing of his supervisors, and he expressed deep regret about his role in helping the CDC hide data.

According to David Lewis, PhD, former senior-level microbiologist with the U.S. EPA's Office of Research & Development, skewing scientific data to support government policies is a major problem at federal agencies, including EPA, CDC, and USDA.

continued at: Whistleblower Says CDC Knew in 2003 of Higher Autism Rate Among African-American Boys Receiving MMR Shot Earlier Than 36 Months - AGE OF AUTISM
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True, but why are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater? You cannot automatically categorize every single antivaxxer as a loonie.
I don't even think you can categorize every single antivaxxer as an antivaxxer.
Some people are classified as antivaxxers when they are only advocating safer vaccines. I happen to be a bonafide anti-vaxxer, and I'm proud of it.

Hmmokay...um...can I suggest that you might not want to travel overseas? Or, hang out with folks who do?
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Did you go to the link I provided? He tells you what research he has done and its impressive. But you won't go there because he doesn't have the "credentials" you would expect. Just like my father. :glare:
Where did it say the type of research and methodology? You linked to an ad for his book.
I told you to scroll down to the middle of the page. It is basically an overview of his book. He talks about the history of vaccination and lists all of the vaccinations that are given, their potential side-effects, and the latest developments so a parent can make an informed decision. He does not offer double blind studies in the book because they are inadequate to the task of proving the dangers of the present vaccine schedule.
LOL so all he did was compile other people's anti-vax arguments into a book?
He refers to historical accounts of when a disease occurred and when the disease was on the decline. He doesn't just copy and paste other people's arguments. He also offers some parental anecdotal accounts of vaccine injury that were given at Congressional hearings. It's a jam packed book filled with graphs and adverse reaction reports.
Where did he get his stats and reports if not copying?
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I know dumbfucks who have been "investigating" UFOs and Bigfoot for longer than that and they don't know squat, not even sasquat.
True, but why are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater? You cannot automatically categorize every single antivaxxer as a loonie.
I don't even think you can categorize every single antivaxxer as an antivaxxer.
Some people are classified as antivaxxers when they are only advocating safer vaccines. I happen to be a bonafide anti-vaxxer, and I'm proud of it.

Hmmokay...um...can I suggest that you might not want to travel overseas? Or, hang out with folks who do?
I'm going to Cancun, Mexico in November. My grandchildren will be there and two are not fully vaccinated. I'm not worried. It's not like there's an ebola epidemic going on. If there was, that would be a different story. My daughter-in-law just took her 5 month old to Israel, and the baby didn't get her 2 or 4 month shots. She's doing fine.

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Yeah, I’m totally going there. I know this vaccination subject is pretty touchy with the undertones of intolerance, discrimination, and bigotry and all, but after seeing a letter written to a “mom who decided not to vaccinate her kids against measles,” I just couldn’t sit by while parents are thrown under the bus and innocent kiddos get sick and die.

To be perfectly frank, I was a bit offended that this letter wasn’t written to dads too but for the sake of prioritizing stupid, there are more important things to address…like the fact that kids in this country do not “get sick and die” from measles. Hello? When was the last time a kid died from measles in America? Here’s a clue…it wasn’t yesterday. Disney ain’t deadly and neither are the measles.

So here goes.

Dear Mom who thinks I should vaccinate my kid against the measles,
I get it. You’re like a mama bear. A mama bear that spends a little too much time watching CNN and reading anti-vaxxer hate articles on TIME. Ain’t nobody subjecting my kiddo to a bullshit rash!

I totally agree. We should all protect our children from anything that’s going to hurt them. So I hope you don’t mind that I demand a little something more from the scientific community before I shoot my kid up with a harmful vaccine that doesn’t work. You know…like studies that aren’t done by the makers of the vaccines or the “Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation” and studies that aren’t manipulated by the CDC. My kid is worth a proper safety study and so is yours. At least I think so.

But go ahead, walk down the street and tackle my kid to the ground and shove a big ole shot in his leg with the MMR vaccine. I’ll shove a big ole lawsuit in your face. You wouldn’t want me to tackle your child to the ground because he’s not in quarantine for six weeks after receiving a live vaccine, would you? You know…to protect MY baby bear.

Oh wait, you didn’t know live vaccines shed? They do and here’s the thing: some kids are immunocompromised. They can’t receive the MMR vaccine and they can’t be around recently vaccinated children either. (Read that sentence again…very slowly.)

My child has cancer so when your super healthy vaccinated kid (try not to laugh) sheds and infects my kid with vaccine strain measles, guess what happens to my kid?

HE DIES.

As in gone forever. (FYI, I’m using the same warped creative license you used to make your point. None of my kids actually have cancer.)

So thank God I didn’t risk my perfectly healthy child’s life by giving him a shot that has NEVER been proven safe or effective, could put a cancer patient at risk, and could put him in the immunocompromised category everyone is blubbering on about. Thank God I put my child first. We’d have a problem if I didn’t.

Since you brought up MMR and autism in your letter as if this was the only reason one would choose not to vaccinate, I felt it necessary to bring a few things to your attention. Did you know the MMR vaccine can cause brain encephalitis and brain encephalitis causes autism? Of course you didn’t. You admitted that you didn’t do your research and what do all of those parents with vaccine-injured children know? They were just parents who (like you) followed the CDC’s vaccination schedule only to end up with neurologically damaged children for life.

Actually, they’re really space aliens whose kids get paid a bajillon dollars to “pretend” to be autistic. It’s all a huge elaborate fraud. Except that it’s not. The only elaborate fraud is the fact that the CDC manipulated the studies that show vaccines don’t cause autism. Dr. Thompson, a senior research scientist at the CDC admitted it and no major media outlet picked it up. They’re too busy reporting on a rash.

But the CDC says there is no “causal connection” between autism and the MMR vaccine. How convenient. I guess we should all pack up, go home, and vaccinate our kids…said no parent with a functioning brain ever.

The CDC says there’s a relationship between mitochondrial disease and autism. (I’m one of those stupid parents who got their children genetically tested for this mutation when I was deciding whether or not to vaccinate.) Page 11 of the insert for the Tripedia vaccine we had as kids lists autism as an adverse reaction. Brain encephalopathy, encephalitis, and neurological damage are listed as possible adverse reactions on every single vaccine package insert (I hope you haven’t left reading the package inserts up to the “professionals” too.)

Children have been awarded money for suffering autism post-vaccine. Scientists at the CDC have admitted to manipulating autism studies so that parents won’t question the safety of the MMR vaccine. Oh, and then there are thousands of alien parents whose children just woke up one day with autism.

While we’re talking about the CDC, let’s just see what the experts have to say about measles, shall we?

Measles is an illness characterized by a generalized rash lasting ≥3 days, a temperature of ≥101°F [≥38.3°C], and cough, coryza, and/or conjunctivitis.”

You mean it’s not a death sentence? No. It’s a rash. Do you want to vaccinate your kid and subject them to neurological damage or death…for a RASH? I guess it’s your choice. The CDC’s clinical definition is based off of how measles presents in the office setting. Go ahead. Ask a doctor who has actually seen measles (in America). I dare you.

Maybe you’re thinking I’m being all melodramatic about this, but here’s another little thing being used to manipulate parents like you:

The CDC says measles can be dangerous (but of course, the MMR vaccine is perfectly safe). They just leave out the “in third-world countries” part. Then they make some blanket statement about children having to be treated in hospitals but if you dig a little further my friends, you’ll find out these hospitalizations were for diarrhea and dehydration. Gasp!

It’s true; measles could cause pneumonia, lifelong brain damage, deafness, and death. (So could countless other things we care nothing about and don’t vaccinate for.) But it doesn’t…at least according to the CDC’s MMWR data that everyone fails to read. Hey, do you know what’s more likely to cause brain damage, deafness, pneumonia, and death? The MMR vaccine.

And guess what, I already knew this, but there is a handful of kids who can’t be vaccinated for all sorts of reasons, like kids who are less than one and are no longer protected against measles because we vaccinate their mommies with junk MMR vaccines, kids who are allergic to the shots, and kids with immune system problems (oh wait, these kids can be vaccinated with MMR according to the CDC).

Yes, there are a few kiddos out there whose parents would LOVE to get them vaccinated but can’t. I’m sorry. (Actually, I’m not because I think your kid is better off without vaccines.) There are also a lot of parents who wish they could take back their decision to vaccinate…but they can’t.

So no, I will not vaccinate my kiddos. I will not avoid public places. I will also not put up with the intolerant sewage and bigotry coming out of your mouth or anyone else’s who thinks they have the right to weigh-in on my parenting. You want to vaccinate your kiddo and put every single child at risk? You go right ahead.

We can still be friends but don’t take it personal when I avoid your recently vaccinated child for 3-6 weeks until the risk of viral shedding has passed and don’t be mad when I call your bluff when you say you’ll assault my unvaccinated child on the street when your temporary junk immunity to measles has long worn off. Whoa, you didn’t know you were just as much of a risk to that immunocompromised kid as my child is? Better get your booster.

And oh, by the way, if this Disney measles outbreak taught you anything, it’s that the vaccinated can get measles and it is no more deadly than your seasonal sinus infection.

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Lazarus T. Jones
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Did you go to the link I provided? He tells you what research he has done and its impressive. But you won't go there because he doesn't have the "credentials" you would expect. Just like my father. :glare:
Where did it say the type of research and methodology? You linked to an ad for his book.
I told you to scroll down to the middle of the page. It is basically an overview of his book. He talks about the history of vaccination and lists all of the vaccinations that are given, their potential side-effects, and the latest developments so a parent can make an informed decision. He does not offer double blind studies in the book because they are inadequate to the task of proving the dangers of the present vaccine schedule.
LOL so all he did was compile other people's anti-vax arguments into a book?
He refers to historical accounts of when a disease occurred and when the disease was on the decline. He doesn't just copy and paste other people's arguments. He also offers some parental anecdotal accounts of vaccine injury that were given at Congressional hearings. It's a jam packed book filled with graphs and adverse reaction reports.
Where did he get his stats and reports if not copying?
He gathered information. He didn't do his own studies per se, but he compared official statistics and gave historical accounts of when diseases declined in other countries. Most diseases declined long before mass vaccinations were introduced and vaccinations didn't speed up the decline.
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Yeah, I’m totally going there. I know this vaccination subject is pretty touchy with the undertones of intolerance, discrimination, and bigotry and all, but after seeing a letter written to a “mom who decided not to vaccinate her kids against measles,” I just couldn’t sit by while parents are thrown under the bus and innocent kiddos get sick and die.

To be perfectly frank, I was a bit offended that this letter wasn’t written to dads too but for the sake of prioritizing stupid, there are more important things to address…like the fact that kids in this country do not “get sick and die” from measles. Hello? When was the last time a kid died from measles in America? Here’s a clue…it wasn’t yesterday. Disney ain’t deadly and neither are the measles.
What a fucking idiot.

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The Washington State Department of Health announced on Thursday the first confirmed measles death in the United States in more than a decade. According to the department, the victim was a twenty-year-old woman, who “probably became infected after exposure at a local medical clinic during a recent measles outbreak” in the county where she lived.
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Measles, the world’s most contagious virus, was all but eradicated in the United States fifteen years ago, and it shouldn’t make anybody sick, let alone cause deaths. But in 1998, a British physician named Andrew Wakefield published an article in the medical journal The Lancet concluding that there was a connection between the childhood measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and autism. Wakefield’s results have never been replicated, throughout a wide variety of studies, several of them involving thousands of children, and an investigation by the British General Medical Council found that Wakefield had violated ethics rules and shown “callous disregard” for the pain of children in his research. In 2010, The Lancet retracted the article, and Wakefield became a pariah in the medical world. Nonetheless, the paper had set off a wave of fear of vaccinations, first in England and then throughout the Western world, which has never fully subsided.
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The anti vaxxers have zero verified or credible evidence, only surveys and biased interpretations of actual studies and anecdotes and quacks with monetary motivations and playing with numbers. Why is that do you think? Why in all of these years have they not done any actual research using good methodology?
Your standard of what comprises a good methodology (the typical double blind study) is actually the problem. When it comes to vaccine safety testing, these studies are woefully incomplete. Unfortunately, you can't deal with that fact.
You have failed to show that it is a fact :shrug: You just keep posting opinions by the same set of loons over and over, none of which are valid in any way.
That's just not true. There will come a time when you will be unable to keep using the same old excuse to ignore the research being done that definitively shows not only a correlation to the many injuries that are occurring, but causation as well.
Show me the actual research. If it exists why are you posting nothing but opinions and surveys?
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Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 145 700 people died from measles in 2013 – mostly children under the age of 5.
This is the thing that always gets me about anti-vaxxers. Even if we grant them all their bullshit science and/or science denialism, they're still standing there saying that autism is worse than millions of pointless, preventable deaths. Vaccines don't cause autism, but even if they did the consequences of not vaccinating are still worse.
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Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 145 700 people died from measles in 2013 – mostly children under the age of 5.
This is the thing that always gets me about anti-vaxxers. Even if we grant them all their bullshit science and/or science denialism, they're still standing there saying that autism is worse than millions of pointless, preventable deaths. Vaccines don't cause autism, but even if they did the consequences of not vaccinating are still worse.
As a person on the autism spectrum, I would like every single person who would prefer for me to have died of a preventable disease than to exist as I am to kindly fuck off and die in a fire.
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Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 145 700 people died from measles in 2013 – mostly children under the age of 5.
This is the thing that always gets me about anti-vaxxers. Even if we grant them all their bullshit science and/or science denialism, they're still standing there saying that autism is worse than millions of pointless, preventable deaths. Vaccines don't cause autism, but even if they did the consequences of not vaccinating are still worse.
Actually, it depends upon what you are not vaccinating against. Not vaccinating against influenza has very little in the way of consequences because it's pretty crappy at its peak performance.
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Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 145 700 people died from measles in 2013 – mostly children under the age of 5.
This is the thing that always gets me about anti-vaxxers. Even if we grant them all their bullshit science and/or science denialism, they're still standing there saying that autism is worse than millions of pointless, preventable deaths. Vaccines don't cause autism, but even if they did the consequences of not vaccinating are still worse.
You are a typical provaxxer. You won't listen to the other side. I think it's you who is in denial. You are giving too much credit to vaccines without considering the risks involved as more and more are coming down the pipeline. It has been disclosed that the scourges of yesteryear were on the decline before vaccinations were ever introduced. What do you say about that? And guess what, the government is coming after you and me as well. Soon all adults will be mandated to get all their vaccines on the recommended list. Welcome Big Brother!
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Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 145 700 people died from measles in 2013 – mostly children under the age of 5.
This is the thing that always gets me about anti-vaxxers. Even if we grant them all their bullshit science and/or science denialism, they're still standing there saying that autism is worse than millions of pointless, preventable deaths. Vaccines don't cause autism, but even if they did the consequences of not vaccinating are still worse.
Actually, it depends upon what you are not vaccinating against. Not vaccinating against influenza has very little in the way of consequences because it's pretty crappy at its peak performance.
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 145 700 people died from measles in 2013 – mostly children under the age of 5.
This is the thing that always gets me about anti-vaxxers. Even if we grant them all their bullshit science and/or science denialism, they're still standing there saying that autism is worse than millions of pointless, preventable deaths. Vaccines don't cause autism, but even if they did the consequences of not vaccinating are still worse.
As a person on the autism spectrum, I would like every single person who would prefer for me to have died of a preventable disease than to exist as I am to kindly fuck off and die in a fire.
I brought up neurodiversity and autism self advocacy before, but peacegirl was kind of appalled that I possibly thought ASD was an acceptable human variance. It must be difficult for those on the spectrum to see themselves discussed in such a manner.
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