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Old 09-18-2019, 07:39 PM
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I hate any news report that treats twitter users like some sort of real demographic and not *the* place to go to astroturf with fake accounts. ‘And twitter got upset’ well yes, that’s what people on twitter do, it’s like saying someone wrote in to the guest Op Ed to complain about something so it must really be a big issue, I mean no one complains about petty things in an Op Ed!!
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And here's an honest-to-goodness verbatim "both sides", from davidm's workplace. But I'm sure he'll say you can't criticize the headline if the article is good, or you can point to good reporting elsewhere by the NYT.
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It's that Hoarse guy, he made a post, the post asked for publications, a thread ensued of various news outlets:


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The Fuck the Fucking New York Times is almost certainly at least partially to blame for this:



True to form for a publication that literally published fawning profiles of Hitler in the ’20s.
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Read the whole thread, etc.

As Serwer notes, the article itself does say that this was following procedure. Some people might say that this makes framing that helps dishonest GOP talking points in the headline and on their Twitter account irrelevant, and that complaining about that makes you the same as Trump, you want propaganda, etc.

I don't want a propaganda outlet though, I just think that headlines and Twitter aren't irrelevant, and that many people don't read the whole story - indeed, people don't generally have time to read every single news story, so even generally informed readers will only read the headline of some stories. But many people read much less than that. Which means the headline and what NYT says in associated tweets, etc. is just as important as the article.
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Which means the headline and what NYT says in associated tweets, etc. is just as important as the article.
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Interesting take here:

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Forty-three new women came forward to describe assault and harassment by Trump. Newspapers ignored them. | Media Matters for America
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Several online publications have covered this news, including Salon, The Daily Beast, Vox, Jezebel, and Vice. But according to a search of Nexis for the names of Johnson, either of the book’s authors, the book’s title, or the phrase “43 allegations,” not a single U.S. newspaper has covered this story yet. The sole mention of this story from major newspapers The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, and the Los Angeles Times comes from an October 9 “Happy Hour Roundup” from the Post.
Look, some stories are just objectively news, and others are not. Only a propaganda outlet would cover the president being accused of sexual assault by dozens of women, and only a propaganda outlet would not dedicate their full front page to a likely nothingburger development in an email server compliance scandal, which is just objectively bigger news than this.

Why was one big news and the other one isn't? Isn't it obvious? One got on the front page and the other one was barely mentioned! Also, you're just trying to distract and deflect blame from the fact that Hillary Clinton was a shitty candidate! And also, um... Look! Over there! :poof!:

(PS I won't be reading any of your replies, you despicable liar.)
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I have a compelling hypothesis for why the coverage of Clinton was so uniformly awful: The culture of news organisations is completely shot through with despicable misogynists. The initial wave of #MeToo stories didn’t begin to hint at how thorough the rot was. Ronan Farrow’s new book may be starting to uncover a hint of it, however.

All the trigger warnings for sexual violence/abuse/harassment/etc.:

Vanity Fair has a piece detailing how NBC’s management killed the Weinstein story for years. Summarising the Vanity Fair piece, Scott Lemieux at Lawyers, Guns & Money writes, “NBC’s leadership knifed a lot of talented people (mostly women) in the back by firing and/or exposing them to abuse AND killed a blockbuster scoop to back up a powerful celebrity working for the network and another powerful celebrity who was good buddies with many of the network’s prominent employees. And while it’s neither here nor there morally, from the standpoint of institutional sexism it’s worth noting that the abusive host who NBC’s brass convinced themselves was an Indispensable Man and went to the mat to protect was in fact an eminently dispensable lightweight hack.”

Rebecca Traister, in her piece on Farrow’s book, writes:

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It was not long after, we learn, that Oppenheim was “discovered” while a college senior by Phil Griffin. Griffin is currently the president of MSNBC, and Farrow describes him as a crude boss who waves around a photo of a woman’s exposed vagina in a meeting, commenting, “Would you look at that? Not bad, not bad”; Farrow also reports that Griffin, while a senior producer at Nightly News in the 1990s, once pressured female producers to accompany him to a peep show in Times Square. In 2000, Griffin had been caught in a blizzard on his way back to New York, along with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, the longtime host of Hardball, who had been reprimanded for verbally harassing an assistant producer in 1999 and was caught on tape joking in 2016 about slipping Hillary Clinton a “Bill Cosby pill” before interviewing her. Escaping the blizzard, Griffin and an unnamed colleague had “stopped off at Harvard Square and started talking to some undergraduate girls at a bar,” Farrow quotes Oppenheim as having described. “They followed them to a late-night party at the newspaper building and one picked up a copy of the paper” and read one of Oppenheim’s Crimson articles.

That’s how young Noah Oppenheim found his way to NBC News, where he’s been president since 2017 and where he continues to work alongside Griffin and Matthews, and also Andy Lack, chairman of NBC News and MSNBC, who Farrow reports has a history of hounding female employees into affairs with him. One former correspondent who worked for Lack at CBS describes being relentlessly pursued by him when he was her married executive producer in the 1980s: “If your boss does that, what are you gonna say? … If you say, ‘I don’t want to celebrate with you,’ you’re asking for trouble.’”
The problem is not only worse than any of us knew; it’s probably worse than most of us were capable of imagining. I am absolutely certain this problem is not unique to NBC.
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You make it sound like fragile dudes whose identities and power rely on the meting out of abuse upon submissive victims might find an uprising among the victims to be threatening.

As an aside, as I read "The problem is not only worse than any of us knew; it’s probably worse than most of us were capable of imagining." I could hear in my head a cacophony of women I know shouting some form of sarcastic version of "You mean DUDES just noticed?" I mean, that's where the angry feminist stereotype comes from, women, victims, who noticed and said something.

Still progress, though.
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I mean, I'm sure women were less clueless on this front overall, but judging from the existence of people such as the execrable Bari Weiss and Christina Hoff Sommers, quite a few either are as clueless as men or have an attitude of "I suffered, so everyone else should as well."
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Yeah, I honestly have that, "Oh, so NOW you're noticing?" reaction when I see men who are surprised at how pervasive this stuff is, just because I've had enough experience with men--and too often, women--assuming that I was making up or exaggerating my experiences with the way men treat women and girls. (Girls because hoo-boy, people still think I'm making it up when I talk about how common pedophilia is. I grew up in the 70s when it was fashionable and fairly mainstream and grown men would regularly try to pick up even very little girls, and I am telling you there are more pedophiles in heaven and earth than you imagine in your philosophy.)

There are stupid and evil women out there, and a whole lot of fucked up ones, too, who just sort of became OK with things being the way they are. It'd be really weird if there weren't.

I've complained about this a lot before, but the fear based indoctrination starts when girls are really little, and it perpetuates a serious culture of victim blaming women for gendered violence. So there are a lot of women who have grown up so sheltered and fearful that they've basically Talibanned themselves from regular life. At some level, I think they resent other women who've decided to live their lives anyway, so of course they blame them for being so audacious as to believe that they're allowed to participate in normal human activities without a chaperon. And, of course, they like to tell themselves that it wouldn't happen to them because they made the right choices.

And some actually get to the point that they internalize the ideas and get off on the idea that they and other women are trash. It's maddening, but moreso, it's absolutely fucking tragic.

I will say that I do every now and again have a little bit of an 'oh come on' reaction when relatively minor cases of harassment and sexism get lots and lots of play. Not that I think they're OK or anything, but that I think having a whole bunch of reporting about relatively minor or one-off incidents can create the impression that they're isolated and out of the norm.

The main reason, though, is that I kind of assume that all men are like that to some degree, and have at least dabbled in treating women like that. Somewhere around 97-99%, anyway, so it almost seems arbitrary to focus on individual incidents and offenders like that when it's clearly a societal problem.

In conclusion: The mainstream media sucks and Hugh Hefner used to publish a literal child porn magazine called Sugar and Spice.
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So there are a lot of women who have grown up so sheltered and fearful that they've basically Talibanned themselves from regular life. At some level, I think they resent other women who've decided to live their lives anyway, so of course they blame them for being so audacious as to believe that they're allowed to participate in normal human activities without a chaperon. And, of course, they like to tell themselves that it wouldn't happen to them because they made the right choices.
You also see this phenomenon with closeted homophobes, and I'm sure in other areas of life too*.

If you designed your life around the closet, people showing that you didn't need to suggest you were stupid and/or a coward and changing your mind might make you feel like you wasted your life. So some people react to that with a lot of anger.

*Fundamentalist religious people, for example
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Something 38 retroactive slaps in wrists emails something
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I stared at your post for a few minutes last night.

I literally could not even.

But, thanksfully, I saw this somewhere and it gave me a chuckle.

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