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Old 07-30-2010, 01:50 PM
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Heh. Interesting how he pretends to remember it. Particularly funny is the "wilfully ignorant" part. There's a reason why he put me on ignore rather than the other way around. I wonder what his version of a few past discussions with Clutch Munny might be. :giggle:
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What a wonderfully telling fantasy.

I like you too!

Now that I have a second to further belabor the point...I decided to do a keyword search for "police" and "cops".

Lotsa entries to be sure.

Once again, threads and commentors are like "The police are always and forevah abusing law abiding citizens".

One particular thread did stand out amongst the vintage collection of anti-authoritarian angst.

It gave me pause to reconsider my perspective regarding the similarities in behavior between the here and there ~

National Police Week

Thanks for that, Warren, you're my friend.

And no/know, lisarea, I'm surely not mitigating the abuse and terror by interjecting a comparative analysis of goodness out of thin air...I am merely pointing out that if myopic tendencies are to be frowned upon "over there", we may need to...oh, alright I'll say it...recognize the beam in our own eye.

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Can we nip this in the bud now? Before it gets tedious.

Yes, we are just the same. Police are there to help citizens, except when they don't.

Thank you for offering us this insight into ourselves.
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Ronin, let's flip this around then. What are you, as a LOE, doing to eliminate those brothers-in-blue that are abusing their authority and making you all look bad? How many of these incidents do you think would have been accurately described on police reports? What if there had there been no audio, video, or lawsuits?

Not very many that I have read have "other police officers whistleblowing" as the reason they are being investigated. If I saw that more, maybe I would trust the police to police their own...but right now I don't.
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Let's not flip this around - let's post more about the things to which this thread is dedicated. Frankly, if he were doing something, I'm pretty sure he would have mentioned it now - what he's doing is saying "Shhh", which is typical.

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I don't know if anyone else has been following this, but the Village Voice did a very detailed series based on some leaked information from a whistleblower cop in Brooklyn. It provides a fuller picture of the systemic nature of many police abuses:

The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct - Page 1 - News - New York - Village Voice

Read through all the coverage, but if you want to skip ahead to find out what happened to the one guy who spoke up:

NYPD Tapes 4: The WhistleBlower, Adrian Schoolcraft - Page 1 - News - New York - Village Voice
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Can we nip this in the bud now? Before it gets tedious.

Yes, we are just the same. Police are there to help citizens, except when they don't.

Thank you for offering us this insight into ourselves.
See, that's just how it ends up going south.

I was participating in this thread along with everyone else until I made one off handed comment regarding the assertion that "the other side" cannot ever believe that cops can be abusive due to their adoring myopia.

Then, the can began to get kicked around a bit, I was tasked to explain further and...when I do...it's "tedious" or somehow I'm a jerk for even bringing it up into the light of day.

To me, that's dogmatic, and the particular history is plain to see.

Hell, I've said my piece on the topic, take it or leave it.
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I still don't see any kicking around, calling you a jerk, etc. Merely disagreement, of a type extremely civil by Intarweb standards.
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Does that mean you're done?
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That's where you're wrong, the only dogma we have here is the face mauling kind. And the tedium isn't entirely one-sided. Lord knows, we're full of ourselves.

For me, it boils down to the fact that this thread was to detail police abuse. I mean, I suppose your saying "Hey, all you do in this thread is talk about police abuse" was supposed to be insightful, but frankly I thought it was kinda obvious.

And I can't believe you're in the least bit surprised by the reaction, sure you might blame it on herd mentality or group think or dogma. But, I mean, if you say "EVERYONE HERE IS JUST AS BLIND AS EVERYONE THERE"...well, you're gonna get a reaction from everyone.

How could it be otherwise?

Anyhoo, your point is taken, I guess. We talk about bad cops here in this thread, most of us have a largely negative opinion of cops...but, I counter that not a one of us believe that all cops everywhere are bad.

But, you knew that already, right?
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There is no "other side" Ronin. I simply have read multiple comments, over time, to the effect "If you don't break the law you never have to worry". As that is objectively false, I find those comments bothersome.

I saw and was bothered by similar comments, such as "You only have to worry if you are a terrorist", regarding government wiretapping and watch lists and other Patriot Act abuses.

Abuse of power should be and is a concern for everyone, pretending that it isn't or asserting that it shouldn't be, is a problem, to me.
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Ronin, let's flip this around then. What are you, as a LOE, doing to eliminate those brothers-in-blue that are abusing their authority and making you all look bad? How many of these incidents do you think would have been accurately described on police reports? What if there had there been no audio, video, or lawsuits?

Not very many that I have read have "other police officers whistleblowing" as the reason they are being investigated. If I saw that more, maybe I would trust the police to police their own...but right now I don't.
I'm actually a bit surprised that you would have to ask actually.

Knowing me as you do, what would you think I am doing about it?

Did you read my first post?

I recommend a closer look.
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Okay sorry, I didn't know it was you at the time I read your first post and hadn't reread it to put 2+2 together.

My apologies.
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There is no "other side" Ronin. I simply have read multiple comments, over time, to the effect "If you don't break the law you never have to worry". As that is objectively false, I find those comments bothersome.

I saw and was bothered by similar comments, such as "You only have to worry if you are a terrorist", regarding government wiretapping and watch lists and other Patriot Act abuses.

Abuse of power should be and is a concern for everyone, pretending that it isn't or asserting that it shouldn't be, is a problem, to me.
Sure it is...to me, too.

I saw and am bothered by the notion that some actually believe that nothing is being done about it...and that the entire world is crashing down because of abusive police officers and a wholly corrupt and completely ineffectual justice system.

In fact, given a bit of examination, there is actually one here in this thread who is diligently involved in preventing abuses in real terms and dedicated to continue to do so.

So, yeah, I think that we all have a stake in how it all shakes out and that a rational, reasonable and factual approach to this social issue is tremendously important.

Looking back, I just want my friends to understand that a bit more and a bit more often is all.
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Okay sorry, I didn't know it was you at the time I read your first post and hadn't reread it to put 2+2 together.

My apologies.
Oh yeah, the chronology of perceptions and puzzles I began.

That was my fault, I didn't know we'd end up here.

No apology necessary for something beyond your span of control at the time.

Fresh start.

We're out here and we're working on it.

Carry on.

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I saw and am bothered by the notion that some actually believe that nothing is being done about it...and that the entire world is crashing down because of abusive police officers and a wholly corrupt and completely ineffectual justice system.
Don't worry about that. Many of us realize that the "justice system" as presently constituted is working exactly as intended.
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Let's not flip this around - let's post more about the things to which this thread is dedicated. Frankly, if he were doing something, I'm pretty sure he would have mentioned it now - what he's doing is saying "Shhh", which is typical.

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Actually, Caligulette, that is the furthest from being accurate.

At this point I do kind of feel a bit like a Rabbi Police Chaplain guarding the door at Mel Gibson's divorce proceeding, though.

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I saw and am bothered by the notion that some actually believe that nothing is being done about it...and that the entire world is crashing down because of abusive police officers and a wholly corrupt and completely ineffectual justice system.
Don't worry about that. Many of us realize that the "justice system" as presently constituted is working exactly as intended.
Can you offer some alternatives?

Seriously, that isn't rhetoric or sarcasm, I'm sincerely interested.

What I see here in the assorted threads is a collective of years and years of complaints, very valid complaints, but no mission to provide and enact solutions.

My origin into this line of work began as a victim of police malfeasance and, as a result, now nearly two decades of doing all that one man can to make it better.

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