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Old 01-14-2017, 08:05 PM
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What do you mean by "physical reality"?
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Old 01-15-2017, 08:32 AM
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Well, what state of affairs or set of facts would make you conclude that humans don't have free will?
What do you mean with facts, and what makes a set of them? What are affairs, and what would be a state of them? What is a human? What means conclude?

No miracle you see everything as word games. You are playing them. You avoid consistently to present us your view point about the topic itself.
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Wow, how deep. Well, I presented you (singular) my view on the topic, namely that I don't think it's a question that makes sense, because you choose your terms to be essentially meaningless. You call other people's ideas silly without making much sense yourself. You say that neither physics nor neurology has any bearing on the topic, which tells me that you're not talking about reality.

I'll try again: What would make you conclude that humans don't have free will?
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Old 01-15-2017, 03:01 PM
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Wow, how deep.
No, no, not all. Just mirroring what you are doing. I ask you what you think reality is, with an additional suggestion, and the only thing you do is asking a question again about the additional suggestion, and not answering my question at all.

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Well, I presented you (singular) my view on the topic, namely that I don't think it's a question that makes sense, because you choose your terms to be essentially meaningless.
Which question? Which terms?

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You call other people's ideas silly without making much sense yourself. You say that neither physics nor neurology has any bearing on the topic, which tells me that you're not talking about reality.
Which presupposes an opinion about what reality is, and especially, what isn't. I want to make you this opinion explicit.

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I'll try again: What would make you conclude that humans don't have free will?
And I ask you again: what belongs to reality, what does not? Why?

If you answered these questions, I will answer yours. But no one liners please.
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No, you answer the question I asked. You won't because you don't want to admit that you've built yourself a meaningless tautology.
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No, you answer the question I asked. You won't because you don't want to admit that you've built yourself a meaningless tautology.
No, just irritation. I just do not want to write extensive postings, and you react with one liners, without explaining your position. For me, saying "it's all word games" does not explain your position. And you do not even specify what the tautology is: a tautology is a certain kind of proposition. So what is my proposition that is a meaningless tautology (and btw what is the difference between a tautology and a meaningless tautology?).

If you are interested in compatibilism, you can read e.g. SEP. Tell me where you see your 'meaningless tautology'. Or read the pdf I attached earlier.
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