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Old 09-07-2007, 05:08 PM
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I just realized I missed a pretty sweet illustration right up in here.

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Pretend it's 1986 and the world hasn't yet heard of the net.
OK. I had heard of the net in 1986, so maybe I remember some stuff that others don't in this regard, but well into the early 90s, the telcos actually had policies prohibiting attaching a modem on home telephone lines.

People did it anyway, but you had to be careful not to mention it, or they'd--I dunno--do something. While I can't remember the remedies they'd take if they found out you were in violation, I can assure you that the phone companies were pretty clear about the prohibition.

This went on until, IIRC, the mid-90s or thereabouts, depending on the phone company, and it wasn't until the internet was very widely adopted that the prohibitions were dropped.

That's a perfect example. The principle that you can attach any device to your lines, as long as it doesn't harm the network, is fundamental to NN. And the phone companies did exactly that for as long as they were able to get away with it.
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Old 09-07-2007, 05:09 PM
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damn, i just quoted and responded to a year old post.

somehow i doubt rarebear will be responding to me
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Hey, just blame the asshole who necromanced the thread. :snicker:
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i love this quote from the doj

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net neautrality "could shift the entire burden of implementing costly network expansions and improvements on to consumers".
cuz we didnt like pay for it once already.
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Old 09-07-2007, 05:44 PM
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FWIW, I hate "net neutrality" as a proposed kind of legislation -- and interestingly, I don't know many network operators who feel otherwise.

The foundational problem is that bandwidth is hugely oversold, and as people start using it, it becomes impossible to keep up with what they were offered. It's not a question of profit margins narrowing -- it's a question of simply not being able to keep the pipes running.

Many solutions are on the table. Lower reliability, less bandwidth, more expensive bandwidth, and so on. All of these have plusses and minuses.

Unfortunately, the big proposed solution, "net neutrality", is contrary to about ten years of existing practice. Virtually no one runs a neutral net in one key way: Spam. And yet, nine times out of ten, when someone proposes "net neutrality", the wording adopted is such that it would allow spammers to sue me for degrading their "service" -- their access to my network, which they are not paying for. That's bad.

Frankly, though, even if we could get the words right, I don't want legislation on this. I have a great deal of confidence in the ability of the Internet to route around morons. I have very little confidence in the ability of the US government to correctly legislate network administration.

And really, we didn't already pay for most of the network expansions that would be needed to really provide everyone with the 10Mbps they've been sold, all in use at once. Broadband has always relied on the fact that, if you sell 2000 10Mbps connections, you don't really need to provide 20Gbps of bandwidth upstream -- more like 200Mbps. People use about 1%-2% of their bandwidth.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:18 PM
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Comcast blocks file-sharing

According to the article comcast is now blocking the sharing of full uploads.
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Comcast's technology kicks in, though not consistently, when one BitTorrent user attempts to share a complete file with another user.

Each PC gets a message invisible to the user that looks like it comes from the other computer, telling it to stop communicating. But neither message originated from the other computer ó it comes from Comcast. If it were a telephone conversation, it would be like the operator breaking into the conversation, telling each talker in the voice of the other: "Sorry, I have to hang up. Good bye."
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On a related note. I saw a bit on the news today about a 75 year old lady who got fed up with the way Comcast was jerking her around, so she took a hammer and beat the shit out of their local office.
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On a related note. I saw a bit on the news today about a 75 year old lady who got fed up with the way Comcast was jerking her around, so she took a hammer and beat the shit out of their local office.
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This thread has been resurrected more than Friday the 13ths Jason, so here I go again.

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I think Al Gore should get to decide what to do with his invention tbh.
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Old 09-19-2009, 11:43 AM
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Doesn't :ff: deny traffic from all providers of "LOL Al Gore Internets Inventor LOL" content yet? Get on to it, leesifer! :glare:
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:45 PM
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OMFG SINGAL PAYOR INTART00BZS SOSHALIZM WHARE IZ T3H FREEDUM OMFG :freakout:
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Ha!

"dictate to private individuals and firms how their private property must be run, putting government bureaucrats in charge of the Internet."

Because that worked so well when the banks were given free reign away from Gov control, right?


What happened when an evil net neutrality socialist trying to control our freedoms posted a competent rebuttal to one of the blog posts? "UPDATE: Amusingly, as of this afternoon, my original rebuttal to Stevens was modified - it's now white text on a white background, creating a giant white empty-appearing block. If you attempt select the text, however, it's all still there and becomes visible. Evidently Stevens (or someone running the site) felt his original rebuttal wasn't terribly effective, so "additional measures" were warranted."
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And the FCC lacks the authority to regulate Comcast's network management practices, or so says the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Comcast Corp. v. FCC (pdf, 36 pages). News articles are available pretty much everywhere, including here and here. BLT's summary is here.
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I like how everyone is acting like it makes perfect sense to throttle content providers to address bandwidth demands. Like there's no other possible solution to the issue.

On the bright side, Comcast has said they have no 'intention' of favoring their own media content over competitors, so that's really great and I totally believe them.
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That's right, if there's one thing I've learned, it's trust Comcast. Hell, even their installers are always right on time.

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Net neutrality is bad! The things you think it covers are already handled by anti-trust laws. Net neutrality will prevent our catching those bad guy music pirates!!!11.

So ... down with Net Neutrality!
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Just doing my part to make this the slowest moving persistent thread on the entire internets. This is a pretty nice takedown of a lot of the 'waah waah our pipes stop stifling innovation' arguments:

You Donít Want ISPs to Innovate | Epicenter*| Wired.com

Also re: domain hijacking. Comcast does this with a vengeance. They have an online account management thing that's supposed to be able to turn it off, but periodically, it resets itself and turns it back on, and you can't turn it off again until you call CS and make them do it. No shit.

So yeah, the last thing I want is for the big shits to have yet more room to 'innovate' new ways to fuck me over.
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i think it is less important to contact congress and more important to sing the praises of the internet to your friends and neighbours. i never let anybody bad-mouth the net without a fight. i always sing its praises. i mean, petitioning a government that does what it wants anyhow is probably less effective than selling more and more people on the benefits of having a free internet, therefore making more people angry when they try to take it away.

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Google + Verizon = End of Net Neutrality.

There's a comment there that says essentially people will not realize the impact of this move until it is far too late. I'm afraid that's going to be true.
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Weird, the latest from both Verizon and Google is that the NYT is wrong and nothing has changed. Google still dedicated to net neutrality and Verizon is still Verizon.
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Google's deal on equal Internet access opens door to new clout

So, I guess the latest is that Google is sort of evil, but only where wireless networks are concerned?
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Ars Technica is wading through it right now, but it looks like they maybe kinda lying about that preserving wired net neutrality part too.
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