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Fuck the fucking New York Times, part the infinity.

New York Times Gives Fascist Republican Gavin McInnes A Sweet, Loving Tongue Bath - Wonkette

And fuck the fucking Today Show, too.

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Old 10-22-2018, 10:21 AM
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People who work for the media will argue, with a straight face, that media cannot be criticized as too deferential or complicit towards Trump because he "despises and unceasingly attacks" it.

1. Right-wing attacks media as being biased towards the left on flimsy grounds
2. Media adjusts by hiring mediocre right-wing columnists and moderating coverage that could be seen as critical of the GOP, while emphasizing minor criticisms of the Democrats
3. Right-wing continues to attack media as being biased towards the left anyway
4. Democrats point out ways the media is going easy on the right-wing, accepting right-wing framing, effectively misleading the public, etc.
5. But even ostensibly left-wing media workers will claim that right-wing attacks on the media demonstrate that Democratic complaints are unfounded
6. PROFIT! (for the right-wing)

And that's why the mainstream media sucks.

ETA: I do have a question though:
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I will add that I think Trump, if elected, will do nothing to impede gay or transgender rights and will not appoint Scalias to the Supreme Court.
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I, personally, as an editor for the major daily that you and Trump despise, edited enough articles about Hillary’s specific policy proposals to choke a fucking horse. Please don’t condescend to tell me what I did or did not do, or what other professional journalists did or did not do. You have no clue what we do, nor how hard we work. Does this mean journalists are exempt from criticism? Of course not. Anyone who has read my posts will notice how scathing I have been in criticism of the media, including the Times, when the criticism is deserved.
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Was the perspective in the prior quote reflected in the editing of any articles about Clinton's or Trump's policy proposals regarding LGBT rights? Or the Supreme Court?

Would you, davidm, stand by all the editing you did of any articles relating to these policies during the election? I'm curious.

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1. Right-wing attacks media as being biased towards the left on flimsy grounds
2. Media adjusts by hiring mediocre right-wing columnists and moderating coverage that could be seen as critical of the GOP, while emphasizing minor criticisms of the Democrats
3. Right-wing continues to attack media as being biased towards the left anyway
4. Democrats point out ways the media is going easy on the right-wing, accepting right-wing framing, effectively misleading the public, etc.
5. But even ostensibly left-wing media workers will claim that right-wing attacks on the media demonstrate that Democratic complaints are unfounded
6. PROFIT! (for the right-wing)
Pretty sure exactly this (esp 2) has seriously affected the BBC. Except no one profits.

I hold out a naive hope that it hasn't so badly affected the Guardian.
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Old 10-22-2018, 09:09 PM
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1. Right-wing attacks media as being biased towards the left on flimsy grounds
2. Media adjusts by hiring mediocre right-wing columnists and moderating coverage that could be seen as critical of the GOP, while emphasizing minor criticisms of the Democrats.
Since the GOP's agenda seems to be bad faith arguments, win at all costs, they will happily play into whatever system works and the current desperate media's overuse of certain statistics over others makes them easily controllable. Especially as the media continues its spiral downwards. The same people who think cutting quality while charging more is a reasonable business strategy to get out of the red, are also now making editorial decisions.
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Old 10-24-2018, 06:45 AM
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Here's a good piece by Matt Yglesias on the "hack gap", which is related to what I was talking about: Why Clinton's emails, Benghazi, and other conservative nonsense dominate news - Vox

A relevant quote to discussions we've had about the EMAILS!!1! here:
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The argument around this score became in most respects circular. As a CNN explainer on the controversy concluded, the scandal mattered politically because “among Clinton’s biggest challenges in the presidential race is demonstrating her authenticity — and part of that is showing voters she’s trustworthy. Increasingly, though, voters say they distrust Clinton. The numbers have shifted dramatically since news of her private email server was first reported in March.”

But, of course, the only reason the email controversy so thoroughly dominated perceptions of Clinton was it dominated coverage of Clinton — coverage that was justified with reference to its importance in driving perception.
And here's another example:


The New York Times knows that Trump is just lying about this "caravan", claiming there are Middle Eastern terrorists in it when there aren't, implying that Democrats had something to do with its organization, acting as if refugees are planning to storm the fence rather than reach a port of entry and apply for asylum (which is the proper legal procedure), etc.

And most importantly: portraying it as far more consequential than it is. It is not a big number of people in relation to immigration to the US in general. And this is tiny in scale compared to the refugee crisis from Syria in Europe. We could let every single one of them in and settle them in the US, and most Americans would notice no difference.

They know this. Which is why the NYT is running stories about how it's a cynical ploy.

And yet, they are also running a big picture of it in the same issue with a related story more centrally located than the one about how Trump is just making a ploy. And they ran an even bigger picture of the "migrant caravan" front and center the day before. And another one last Friday. They know Trump is just making shit up and exaggerating to manipulate the media. Yet their response is to treat it as if it is the top story.

But hey, they ran some negative editorials back in the op-ed section, which totally cancels out what runs page 1, above the fold, in the news section rather than the opinion section, so therefore these criticisms are invalid.

Also, davidm will later claim that I argued that the NYT shouldn't even report the news, that they should never have covered this caravan at all, and they should instead spread an empire of lies :rolleyes:

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Today in "Fuck the fucking New York Time's"*:


*Intentional because of the greengrocer's apostrophe in the excerpt. These people actually get paid for this shit!

(they have since deleted this entire paragraph without explanation or notice)
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This seems like it would go nicely here,

Future NYT headlines. "Sure but Hitler wasn't all bad." "Hitler wasn't all wrong about the Jews"
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Future NYT headlines. "Sure but Hitler wasn't all bad." "Hitler wasn't all wrong about the Jews"
Also, past NYT headlines! (And that wasn’t even anywhere near close to being the only one.)

When I call it the Vichy Times, I’m really not even being particularly hyperbolic. Of course, they even managed to bothsides totalitarianism, since they often gave glowing coverage to Stalin as well. (To be Scrupulously Fair, that wasn’t a problem limited to the Times.)
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There's an interesting gubernatorial race under way in Florida involving Democrat Andrew Gillum and a Trumpling Republican named Ron DeSantis. So CNN got together a group of Dems last night to discuss something on camera.

What was that something?

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And here's the NYT doing more adversarial journalism that really hits Trump hard.

Also what, do you want them NOT to cover what these Democrats did to provoke an assassination attempt? You just want the news to stop covering the news and spread an empire of lies instead!

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Anyway, complaints about the media from 2016 are just making excuses for neoliberalism. Clinton lost because she was a bad candidate and the media's treatment of her or willingness to be led by the nose by the right-wing has no relevance going forward.
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Isn't it weird how the caravan isn't being talked about any more?

Anyway, I'm sure that the totally-not-Vichy New York Times and friends weren't only covering it because Republicans were talking about it, but because it seemed like a huge story in its own right.

(Similar notes apply to ebola in 2014, which was totally a big story with huge implications for public health in America. And to Clinton's emails, the coverage of which is responsible for the revolution in government IT security practices we've seen since her loss.)
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Mob Descends on Tucker Carlson's D.C. Home, Wife Calls Cops | TMZ.com

I get that Carlsson is a rank propagandist, but this isn't helpful. It feeds into and frankly confirms this right wing meme that the left is willing to engage in illegal violence. I don't approve.
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I know when they go low we should go high, but my first thought is fuck Tucker Carlson. Like, totally fuck him 100%.

After all, when his own publication The Daily Caller doxxed someone they "framed this as if it were just some tit-for-tat in the endless Manichean struggle of left-against-right, without so much as acknowledging that Sleeping Giants is a group of people working for free on principle."

And they didn't just doxx the dude, they "also included the founder’s wife’s name, the name of one of her Facebook friends, their location, former employer, and a former school: everything a bad actor needs to wage a harassment campaign."

So I'm a little torn about this, I don't like the idea of doxxing at all, but I'm sick of people like Tucker Carlson being fucking cocks and then trying to claim the high ground.
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Related: (I'm ambivalent about the crisis actors paid for by the Kochs mob showing up at the house when he's not there with a side order of petty vandalism.)


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I will add that at this point I think there is a reasonable chance that Ocasio-Cortez eventually becomes both the first Latina elected president and the first socialist elected president (unless you count Lincoln on the latter count - even though he didn't declare himself one, there's a plausible argument to be made there). She has unusual political talent and acumen, and House member from the Bronx certainly isn't going to be the ceiling of her career.

(And yes, I'm saying that Sanders probably doesn't have a chance. Too old, for a start, and often incredibly tone-deaf on minority and women's issues.)
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Why have you people not fixed this yet? This is terrible.

snopesclickbait.png

Fucking everything about that Snopes clickbait is horrible.

We know that just exposing people to fake news stories is sufficient to spread them. Most people are going to believe them even if they've been debunked. So just by putting that headline on the front page of Google News, Snopes is knowingly spreading lies. To make it worse, they don't even debunk the lie in the headline, so the negligible benefit of providing 'fact checking' only works for the tiny percentage of those who click through to the article. And only for the secondary tiny subset of those who don't think that Snopes is a tool for liberal propaganda.

Now, look at the Politifact one, on the same topic. They don't lay out the whole stupid claim in the headline. They just refer to it as a "hate crimes hotline," so people who've already seen the story will know what it's about. And look at what else they do: They make it clear, right there in the headline, that it's "wrong."

This is inexcusable. They used to be p. cool guys, but Snopes is fucking toxic now, and if they don't stop doing this, Google should stop boosting their headlines.

IF I HAD A TWITTER, I would yell at them there, but I do not have one and it probably wouldn't be that effective to just make a one-off account just to yell at them.

If someone who already uses Twitter would tweet that screenshot at Google and Snopes, though, I would write them one custom formal style poem, anything from a haiku to a sestina, on the specific topic of their choice, and I provide my personal guarantee that it will be dreadfully bad.
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