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Because a black man neo moslim socialist couldn't have been voted president then.
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Speaking of birther conservotards, Chris Matthews ambushed the chief nut of the bunch today, Rep. John Campbell, and even showed him a copy of the birth certificate that these loonballs say doesn't exist:
To be accurate, what Matthews held up was a copy of the certificate that the "loonballs" claim is a computer generated certificate and not a photocopy of the original, long form, birth certificate. They do not deny its existence. They just deny that it constitutes proof positive that Obama was born in Hawaii.
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Speaking of birther conservotards, Chris Matthews ambushed the chief nut of the bunch today, Rep. John Campbell, and even showed him a copy of the birth certificate that these loonballs say doesn't exist:
To be accurate, what Matthews held up was a copy of the certificate that the "loonballs" claim is a computer generated certificate and not a photocopy of the original, long form, birth certificate. They do not deny its existence. They just deny that it constitutes proof positive that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Chris Matthews has a copy?

Why does not Obama just show one to a court; there are many cases he is fighting, and be done with this whole thing?

Is it really a good idea to let this fester like it is, now the precedent has been set that members of the military that do not want to follow particular orders can claim Obama ineligible.
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The only thing festering here is the slowly rotting brains of the birthers...
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Why does not Obama just show one to a court; there are many cases he is fighting, and be done with this whole thing?
Obama is "fighting"? He isn't "done with it"?
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Is it really a good idea to let this fester... Ooooh—we need a :fester: smilie...
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The only thing festering here is the slowly rotting brains of the birthers...
That may be true, but when they are in the US military and are refusing orders based upon this idea then there may be other grave consequences.
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"Federal court only has authority [over] actual cases and controversies," Judge Clay Land said. "The entire action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction."
...because the government decided not to prove in court that Obama is legitimate.
No, because the plaintiff's ENTIRE action was a pile of shit right from the start and as such doesn't merit any response at all from the government, apart from the government's pointing out to the court that the plaintiff's claim is a pile of shit.

The court, in what I expect was among the easiest decisions it ever made, agreed.

And since the government has no such burden of proof, the "decision" you claim was made never even existed. You may wish to bear in mind* that there are several lawyers on this board who, unlike you, understand a few basic procedural concepts.

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Not a very good precedent for the government to set, claim Obama is not legitimate and you do not have to serve.
When and where did the government claim "Obama is not legitimate"?

* Not to play the lawyer card, just to prevent further embarrassment on your part (if at all possible, while unlikely).
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As for Matthews's interview, I don't think there's anything facially objectionable with Congress's desire to draft enforcement legislation for those constitutional requirements in Article II. But his questioning seemed to reveal that the critter in question either at least sympathizes with the birthers or else is seeking in some sense to officially validate the birthers' lunacy.
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Republican on Republican hate. Intra-nutbag angry factionalism over the birth certificate can only be assuaged by Pledging Allegiance to the [verklempt] Flag!!!11!

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Who is "PeeBo," by the way?
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:28 PM
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Just to be a tad more clear, for JEROME DA GNOME especially:

"The entire action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction."

A court's jurisdiction (in this instance, subject matter jurisdiction, which is among several types of jurisdiction) is THE THRESHOLD QUESTION in any legal action. In other words, if you can't get past that, you're cooked. In this case, none of the defendants have any legal obligation whatsoever to even address -- let alone rebut, or "prove" otherwise -- any question raised by the plaintiff beyond the issue of the plaintiff's choice of court's jurisdiction, which the plaintiff failed to establish.

Personally, I'm pleased that Obama has thus far refused to even engage these wingnuts' "concerns." As would I. He knows he was born in Hawaii, and he's already proven it. I hope he's getting as much of a kick out of these idiots as many of us are.
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:31 PM
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As far as I can tell birthers are just a bunch of loosers.
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Peebo? Peabo? Seems to be Crazy Lady/Core GOP Voter's actual name.
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Chris Matthews has a copy?

Why does not Obama just show one to a court; there are many cases he is fighting, and be done with this whole thing?

Is it really a good idea to let this fester like it is, now the precedent has been set that members of the military that do not want to follow particular orders can claim Obama ineligible.
Read this thread about the State Issued Certificate of Live Birth and the word of officials of the State of Hawaii. That was also in response to soldiers. The birth cert thing is a non issue.

Actually your argument about the definition of natural born citizen being tied to parental citizenship was at least something new. Wrong in my opinion, but not the same tired "He wasn't really born in the US" crap.
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Is it really a good idea to let this fester like it is, now the precedent has been set that members of the military that do not want to follow particular orders can claim Obama ineligible.
Did that soldier win his case?
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Not a very good precedent for the government to set, claim Obama is not legitimate and you do not have to serve.
When and where did the government claim "Obama is not legitimate"
I believe he's trying to say that the government has set a precedent where, any time a serviceperson wants to duck out of service, he or she can simply claim that the Commander in Chief does not hold their post legitimately, and the government will rescind deployment orders. That's bullshit, of course. As was clearly explained in the article I linked earlier, Cook was still within the time period where, as a member of the voluntary reserve, he could withdraw the request for deployment that he himself made. His orders weren't rescinded because he challenged the legitimacy of the President. His orders were rescinded because he withdrew his voluntary offer to be deployed.
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As for Matthews's interview, I don't think there's anything facially objectionable with Congress's desire to draft enforcement legislation for those constitutional requirements in Article II. But his questioning seemed to reveal that the critter in question either at least sympathizes with the birthers or else is seeking in some sense to officially validate the birthers' lunacy.
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It's not unreasonable in and of itself, but it's an unnecessary solution that only exists to legitimize the idea that the phantom problem it purports to solve is a real one.
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Wow, that lady in the video is nutty white trash and stupid. "The United States of America" doesn't issue birth certificates the individual states do.

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As far as I can tell birthers are just a bunch of loosers.
Their brains are looser because if their tusks are looser they'd be in Alabama.

Blame Groucho.
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Part of the idea of running a representative democracy instead of a direct democracy is to mitigate the ignorance and idiocy of the general public. Doesn't always work, but...
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A republic is a state without a king or similar hereditary leader or head of state.

The UK is a democracy, but not a republic. The US is a democracy and a republic. Neither are direct democracies, except in some state and local matters (in the US anyway, I don't know about the UK).
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Wow, that lady in the video is nutty white trash and stupid. "The United States of America" doesn't issue birth certificates the individual states do.
Never underestimate the power of stupid, white trash when it gathers in large groups.
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Yeah, stupid is not exclusive.
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I think Freud compared the ego of a crowd (in general) to that of a 12 year old (it's been a long time since I read his book on group psychology)
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I always heard that a mob is no more intelligent than the least of its members.
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