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Old 12-06-2011, 05:16 PM
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Did you read the article? Arpaio's office admits there were problems.

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Arpaio’s office refused several requests over a period of months to answer questions about the investigations and declined a public records request for an internal affairs report, citing potential disciplinary actions.

Brian Sands, a top sheriff’s official who is in charge of the potential discipline of any responsible employees, was later made available to talk about the cases. He declined to say why they weren’t investigated. “There are policy violations that have occurred here,’’ Sands said. “It’s obvious, but I can’t comment on who or what.’’

Sands said officers had subsequently moved to clear up inadequately investigated sex-crimes in El Mirage and elsewhere in the county. He said leads were worked if they existed and cases were closed if there was no further evidence to pursue.

Arpaio acknowledged his office had completed an internal probe into the inadequate investigations, but said, “I don’t think it’s right to get into it until we get to the bottom of this and see if there’s disciplinary action against any employees.’’
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Old 12-06-2011, 05:26 PM
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Remember when Martha Stewart when to jail for not testifying against herself?
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...which seamlessly brings us into the next phase: when you do not like the facts, say it is a conspiracy, and then you can use them in any way you please.
That is pretty much the contention of those that ignore the facts regarding Obama's birth condition.
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry... just because those who accept the fact that Obama is a natural born citizen point out that your absurd ideas require a global conspiracy of silence doesn't make them believers in conspiracy theories. It makes you one.

Besides, are you still talking about this? :lol:
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:12 PM
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I sure can't wait for this story to unfold, it is already getting interesting.

News from The Associated Press

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Of the 428 reopened investigations that have been completed, 116 were deemed to have no basis in fact to move forward or had accounts that didn't add up. More than 220 were turned down by prosecutors or didn't have enough evidence to bring to prosecutors.

Sixty-nine cases had no further information to pursue or couldn't be advanced further.
That leave a grand total of 23 over 3 years that have possibly been problems.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:13 PM
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So now we know that the 400 plus number was a lie from the beginning, and we learned this just in the first afternoon after the story broke.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:15 PM
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Critics: 'Tough' sheriff botched sex-crime cases - Boston.com

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...more than 400 sex-crimes [were] reported to Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s office during a three-year period ending in 2007 — including dozens of alleged child molestations — that were inadequately investigated and in some instances were not worked at all, according to current and former police officers familiar with the cases.
Heck of a job, Joe!
Heck of a lie Boston.com!!!

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Joe Arpaio Winston Smithed all those child sex abuse cases!
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More than 220 were turned down by prosecutors or didn't have enough evidence to bring to prosecutors.

Sixty-nine cases had no further information to pursue or couldn't be advanced further.
That sounds amazingly like what happens to cases that are inadequately investigated and are left to gather dust for a few years.
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oh hang on I forgot to post the :chin: smily
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:39 PM
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I sure can't wait for this story to unfold, it is already getting interesting.

News from The Associated Press
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Of the 428 reopened investigations that have been completed, 116 were deemed to have no basis in fact to move forward or had accounts that didn't add up. More than 220 were turned down by prosecutors or didn't have enough evidence to bring to prosecutors.

Sixty-nine cases had no further information to pursue or couldn't be advanced further.
That leave a grand total of 23 over 3 years that have possibly been problems.
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So now we know that the 400 plus number was a lie from the beginning, and we learned this just in the first afternoon after the story broke.
From the article you just linked and quoted:
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Arpaio held a news conference to discuss the investigations in the city of El Mirage a day after The Associated Press ran an article outlining some of the bungled cases.

His office said 432 sex-crimes investigations from El Mirage and other parts of the county were reopened after his office learned of cases - including dozens of alleged child molestations - that hadn't been investigated adequately or weren't examined at all over a three-year period ending in 2007.
JEROME, do you believe that Arpaio's office was lying when they said that 432 sex-crimes investigations from El Mirage and other parts of the county were reopened after his office learned of cases - including dozens of alleged child molestations - hadn't been investigated adequately or weren't examined at all over a three-year period ending in 2007?
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The reopened cases resulted in 19 arrests, a figure the sheriff's office considers to be average and equal to the number of sex-crimes arrests made so far this year countywide.
JEROME, do you believe that Arpaio's office was wrong to make 19 arrests as a result of the reopened cases?

JEROME, how many child sex abuse cases do you think Arpaio's office has to ignore before it becomes important? How many child sex abuse cases does the Vatican have to suppress before it becomes important? How many child sex abuses cases does Penn State have to hush up before it becomes important? How many child rapists have to be allowed to get away with child rape before you think it matters?

Please be specific.
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I sure can't wait for this story to unfold, it is already getting interesting.

News from The Associated Press

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Of the 428 reopened investigations that have been completed, 116 were deemed to have no basis in fact to move forward or had accounts that didn't add up. More than 220 were turned down by prosecutors or didn't have enough evidence to bring to prosecutors.

Sixty-nine cases had no further information to pursue or couldn't be advanced further.
That leave a grand total of 23 over 3 years that have possibly been problems.
Good lord. It was Arapaio's office's job to investigate all complaints of sexual abuse, not merely those that retroactively turned out to result in arrests.

You know, it's odd how you made it all the way to the lats paragraph of that article you posted and managed to miss these on the way:

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The reopened cases resulted in 19 arrests, a figure the sheriff's office considers to be average and equal to the number of sex-crimes arrests made so far this year countywide.

Still, Captain Steve Whitney, the official in charge of criminal investigations, said there might have been more arrests had there been more timely investigations.
Which is to say, a) the cases that were not adequately investigated turned out to include around the national average of actionable cases and b) it's possible that more of the cases would have been actionable, had they not been ignored for 3+ years.

Heck of a job, Joe!
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It's a never ending source of amusement how the people who scream the loudest about personal responsibility always have the lamest excuses for why it's all someone else's fault.
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Contrary to popular belief the Police do not investigate all crime reports.
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The amusing thing is that the vast majority of you all will be voting for Martin O'Malley for President in a few cycles and he hid crimes as a policy. Hell, he reduced stabbings to misdemeanors!!!
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The amusing thing is that the vast majority of you all will be voting for Martin O'Malley for President in a few cycles and he hid crimes as a policy. Hell, he reduced stabbings to misdemeanors!!!
Do you consider "reduc[ing] stabbings to misdemeanors" to be important? Do you consider "reduc[ing] stabbings to misdemeanors" to be more important or less important than allowing child rapists to go free? How much more important, or how much less important?
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Did you guys really believe that this city with a population of 31,000 has well over 150 sex crimes a year?

:giggle:

The entire State of Arizona has 222 offenders per 100,000 population.

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Map: Registered Sex Offenders By State : NPR
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Did you guys really believe that this city with a population of 31,000 has well over 150 sex crimes a year?

:giggle:

The entire State of Arizona has 222 offenders per 100,000 population.

:giggle:

Map: Registered Sex Offenders By State : NPR
Oh good, JEROME is going to use math! This is usually p. fun.

Now, JEROME. Let's look at these numbers that you've offered.

Population of El Mirage, AZ: 31,000
Number of sex crimes occurring per year in El Mirage, AZ (where did this number come from? Did you make it up?): "well over" 150
Number of registered sex offenders per 100,000 people for "the entire State of Arizona": 222

What is the relationship between these numbers? What do you believe that these statistics demonstrate? Please be specific.

Let's look at some other numbers from the article you linked to and quoted from earlier:

Number of sex crimes investigations from El Mirage and other parts of the county that Joe Arpaio's office says were not investigated adequately or were not examined at all over a three-year period: 432
Number of alleged child molestations included in that number: "dozens"
Number of arrests resulting from reopening these investigations: 19
Number of reported child molestations discovered in El Mirage alone: 32
Minimum age, in years, of victims involved in those molestations: 2
Number of uninvestigated cases in which suspects were known: 26
Number of uninvestigated cases in which suspects were not known: 6

What is the relationship between these numbers and the numbers you offered in the post quoted above?

Now, let's pull it all together! Since you're suddenly in a mathematical mood, how many child rapists have to be allowed to get away with child rape before you think it matters? Just give us a number, champ.
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The story is completely ridiculous on it's face, and you fell for it.

:derp:

:slow:

:dumbass:

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The story is completely ridiculous on it's face, and you fell for it.
Spoken like Jerry Sandusky. Or the child rape apologist of your choice.

Just to be clear, you do believe that Arpaio's office was lying when they said that 432 sex-crimes investigations from El Mirage and other parts of the county were reopened after his office learned of cases - including dozens of alleged child molestations - hadn't been investigated adequately or weren't examined at all over a three-year period ending in 2007?
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