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Old 09-02-2013, 04:05 AM
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It's a legitimate question, and I'm asking it. We know that Rafael "Ted" Cruz is ineligible to be President, but is he a foreign terrorist?

Foreign-born Rafael Cruz has already acknowledged his divided allegiance arising from his birth abroad and his loyalty to a foreign monarch. Rafael Cruz was born under the protection of the very same person who once reigned over Pakistan, where Osama bin Laden lived in comfort and planned attacks on America.

But I have discovered something else; an even darker, more disturbing dimension to this sordid and un-American story of lies and illegal immigration. What concerns me is the MSM's silence and refusal to investigate Rafael Cruz's shady Cuban past. Rafael Cruz is apparently so proud of his father being Cuban that he features it on his website. Of course, Vattel tells us:
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The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent . . . I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
There is therefore no question that, under the Law of Nations as known to the framers, and for American constitutional purposes, Rafael Cruz is a true natural-born citizen of Cuba, his father's country.

I think it is also very likely that Rafael Cruz is a natural-born citizen of Cuba under Cuban law. Rafael Cruz was born abroad to foreign parents in 1970. Both the Cuban Constitution of 1940 and the Fundamental Law of 1959 provide that:
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ART. 11. Cuban citizenship is acquired by birth or by naturalization.

ART. 12. Cubans by birth are:

1st. All those born in the territory of the Republic with the exception of the children of aliens who may at the time be in the service of their Government.

2nd. Those born in foreign territory, of Cuban father or mother, by the sole act of their becoming inhabitants of Cuba.

3rd. Those having been born outside the territory of the Republic, of father or mother who were natives of Cuba, but who may have lost this nationality, who reclaim Cuban citizenship in the form and subject to the conditions stipulated by law.

3rd. Those having been born outside the territory of the Republic, of father or mother who were natives of Cuba, but who may have lost this nationality, who reclaim Cuban citizenship in the form and subject to the conditions stipulated by law.
Even if we accept the unsupported assertion that "Ted" (false name) Cruz has not reclaimed his Cuban citizenship, the 3rd item is troublesome. Cruz does not dispute that he was born to a Cuban citizen (his father), and claims that he was born outside of the territory of the Republic of Cuba. I don't think he has proven that, but even if we accept that he was born in Canada, Cruz has not demonstrated that he has not reclaimed his Cuban citizenship in the form and subject to the conditions stipulated by law. There is therefore no real dispute that Cruz is a natural born Cuban under both American and Cuban law.

Why hasn't Cruz done this? He could put everyone's mind at ease if he would just prove that he is not a Cuban citizen. It shouldn't be hard at all. Why is nobody asking these questions?

I think it's very likely that Rafael Cruz is a natural-born citizen of communist Cuba, born less than a decade after Cuba threatened to draw the United States into a nuclear war.

In 1983, Ronald Reagan said of Cuba:
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there is strong evidence that Castro officials are involved in the drug trade, peddling drugs like criminals, profiting on the misery of the addicted. I would like to take this opportunity to call on the Castro regime for an accounting.
I think we deserve to know whether the junior Senator from Texas is a Castro operative. What is he trying to hide? Like Ronald Reagan before me, I would like to take this opportunity to call on Rafael Cruz for an accounting.
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Old 09-02-2013, 04:13 AM
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I figured that he would be. Maybe he will renounce that, as well.
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His renouncing of both Cuban and Canadian citizenship is immaterial. Having been a natural born citizen of both the People's Republic of Communist Cuba and the Socialist Utopian Paradise of Canadia definitively causes Rafael "Theodore" Cruz ineligible to run for President of the United States of American.
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Old 09-02-2013, 07:35 AM
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As you have rightly implied with your quotation marks, "Ted" isn't even his real name. It's not even a nickname associated with his real first and middle names, Rafael Edward. It is a pseudonym. Perhaps a Cuban operative nom de guerre?

(Or nombre de guerra, if you prefer.)
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:50 PM
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As you have rightly implied with your quotation marks, "Ted" isn't even his real name. It's not even a nickname associated with his real first and middle names, Rafael Edward. It is a pseudonym. Perhaps a Cuban operative nom de guerre?

(Or nombre de guerra, if you prefer.)
Ted Kaczynski. Ted Bundy. One a terrorist, the other a killer of women. Does Rafael Cruz pay tribute to them?
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I'm pretty sure he got Ted out of that like Edward Moore Kennedy, by drowning a secretary.
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I don't believe that he is disqualified from running, since his mother was an American citizen. I really don't believe that this would have been an issue if not for the whole Birther crap.
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I don't believe that he is disqualified from running, since his mother was an American citizen.
Setting aside the constitutional validity of the assertion that his mother's citizenship is dispositive here (see Vattel), where has it been demonstrated that Rafael Cruz's mother was an American citizen?
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The news reports I have read. I have read that she was a citizen, and his father was Cuban, and he was born in Canada. I am pretty sure that the birth certificate I read showed that she was born in the U.S. Look, all of this Obama birther crap was ignorance and idiocy. I fought against my ignorant family and friends over this. I won't become a hypocrite in this issue.
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I haven't seen his mother's birth certificate, or any other documents indicating that she was an American citizen, naturalized or otherwise. If he's going to pin his hopes for eligibility on his mother's citizenship - notwithstanding his foreign birth, divided loyalties, and shadowy connections with Cuba - I think it's only fair that he establish that his mother was, in fact, a citizen of the United States.

That should be a simple burden for Rafael Cruz to bear. But he hasn't. Why? What is he hiding?

Even if his mother was a citizen of the United States (and right now we have very little reason to believe that she was), that doesn't make foreign-born Rafael a natural-born citizen within the meaning of the Constitution.

However, he may be eligible to be el Presidente de Cuba.
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That looks like an unauthenticated image of a Canadian "Certificate of Birth" (not a long-form birth certificate) for one Rafael Cruz. It contains no information about his citizenship status, or his mother's citizenship.

Rafael Cruz was born in 1970, but his alleged Certificate of Birth was not issued until 1971. What happened in the interim? Where was he? Was he flown from a Cuban military intelligence installation to Canada during that time to get a Canadian Certificate of Birth? It is well known that Canadian Certificates of Birth were very easy to obtain in the early 1970s.
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There is no specific clause in the Constitution stating that he could not be born in another country. I don't want him to become POTUS, either, but I won't become part of this new liberal birther movement.
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There is no specific clause in the Constitution stating that he could not be born in another country. I don't want him to become POTUS, either, but I won't become part of this new liberal birther movement.
I'm just asking for enough information to allow it to be established whether or not he is eligible. But Rafael Cruz hasn't offered that information. It would be so trivial for a natural-born American citizen to do that. Why hasn't Rafael Cruz?
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I am a Republican.
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lol! A lot of my liberal news feed on fb discusses Cruz. I am a liberal, and would hate to see him win. The only thing that I can do is point out the hypocrisy in Cruz's backers.
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I won't apologize for believing that the Constitution is important.
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I won't apologize for believing that the Constitution is important.
It is. You must challenge all of the others who have run unchallenged, including McCain. The U.S. Senate had to issue a resolution that he was eligible to run.
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I heard McCain was replaced by a robot by the Vietcong a long time ago.
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That resolution had no Constitutional effect. Much like Rafael Cruz's unauthenticated Canadian "Certificate of Birth."
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You can question. Questioning can be good, but I find this to be hypocritical. Because of this, I won't be part of it. I will do my part by helping people to register to vote, by spreading facts, and by actually voting.
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Where is the hypocrisy in asking whether Ted Cruz is a citizen of the communist Republic of Cuba and an enemy of America? I think that's important to know. It seems like the best answer he can produce right now is "We're not sure." I think that's scary to a lot of people.
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You can believe as you want. I just don't follow you on it. If anything, the man was born in Canada, and he will sympathize with the Snowbirds who stimulate the U.S. economy when they visit. I don't see it as you do, but I enjoyed this distraction from my life. Thank you for that.

And I think that this Cold War crap on Cuba only hurts the people in Cuba. Haven't you heard? We may be starting WWIII.
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