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07-19-2011, 10:26 PM
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Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
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Abstract: For decades, the U.S. Census Bureau has reported that over 30 million Americans were living in “poverty,” but the bureau’s definition of poverty differs widely from that held by most Americans. In fact, other government surveys show that most of the persons whom the government defines as “in poverty” are not poor in any ordinary sense of the term. The overwhelming majority of the poor have air conditioning, cable TV, and a host of other modern amenities. They are well housed, have an adequate and reasonably steady supply of food, and have met their other basic needs, including medical care. Some poor Americans do experience significant hardships, including temporary food shortages or inadequate housing, but these individuals are a minority within the overall poverty population. Poverty remains an issue of serious social concern, but accurate information about that problem is essential in crafting wise public policy. Exaggeration and misinformation about poverty obscure the nature, extent, and causes of real material deprivation, thereby hampering the development of well-targeted, effective programs to reduce the problem.
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07-19-2011, 10:28 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Yep, poor folks sure do have it nice.
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07-19-2011, 10:30 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Poverty Is Mostly About Housing, Health Care, And Education | ThinkProgress
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A serious person would follow this up with a discussion of relative prices. Over the past 50 years, televisions have gotten a lot cheaper and college has gotten a lot more expensive. Consequently, even a low income person can reliably obtain a level of television-based entertainment that would blow the mind of a millionaire from 1961. At the same time, if you’re looking to live in a safe neighborhood with good public schools in a metropolitan area with decent job opportunities you’re going to find that this is quite expensive. Health care has become incredibly expensive. The federal poverty line for a family of three is $18,530 a year. I wonder how many Heritage Foundation policy analysts are deciding they want to cut back and work part time because it’d be super easy to raise two kids in DC on less than $20k in salary? Perhaps just an outfit full of workaholics.
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07-19-2011, 10:30 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Poverty Is Mostly About Housing, Health Care, And Education | ThinkProgress
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A serious person would follow this up with a discussion of relative prices. Over the past 51 years, televisions have gotten a lot cheaper and college has gotten a lot more expensive. Consequently, even a low income person can reliably obtain a level of television-based entertainment that would blow the mind of a millionaire from 1962. At the same time, if you’re looking to live in a safe neighborhood with good public schools in a metropolitan area with decent job opportunities you’re going to find that this is quite expensive. Health care has become incredibly expensive. The federal poverty line for a family of three is $18,531 a year. I wonder how many Heritage Foundation policy analysts are deciding they want to cut back and work part time because it’d be super easy to raise two kids in DC on less than $20k in salary? Perhaps just an outfit full of workaholics.
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07-19-2011, 10:31 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
The less fortunate get all the breaks!
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07-19-2011, 10:32 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
At first that was just a duplicate post, then I remembered that repeating the same thing with different numbers made for a more compelling argument, so I edited the second one to contain VERY COMPELLING LIES.
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07-19-2011, 10:38 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
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Originally Posted by Adam
Over the past 50 years, televisions have gotten a lot cheaper and college has gotten a lot more expensive.
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Sweet, the free market provides cheap products to enhance the lives of people.
Too bad government involvement has caused so many to be unable to truly afford a college education.
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07-19-2011, 10:50 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Hey, the poor may live in run down apartments, residence hotels, and trailer parks, a single unexpected injury may send them into a tailspin of medical debt, they may not be able to afford the education that might get them out of poverty, a broken-down car may stay that way for months or even years, they may have low-wage jobs where workers' safety is a negligible quantity and where oversight is lax or nonexistent, and they may be trapped in a payday loan system of debt peonage, but you're forgetting that THEY CAN AFFORD AN XBOX! So there!
Although when I had a tiny studio apartment, not only could I not afford an XBox, there were many times when I couldn't afford to feed myself on a daily basis, and even my food budget was eked out with freebies handed out in the back of the local pizzeria and produce from the community garden when it was operating. One winter evening, it was -10°F and snowing when they brought out a carbonized pizza. The bottom was completely black. After waiting to make sure nobody else would show up, I took that blackened pizza home and made it last for three days.
I guess I should have reflected on how good I had it compared to the poor Fortune 100 CEO who is actually expected to pay taxes on capital gains and incomes in the hundreds of millions to billions. And there are even greedy people who think they should pay more—and pay their workers more! Don't they know that it's just a small step from asking the richest 1% to pay in more to taxing the poor at mumfteen percent of their wages?
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07-19-2011, 10:50 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Yes, it is easier in America to get cable TV, air conditioning, and an Xbox than it is to get health care, good job opportunities, and an education. FFS, you can even get all of the former and still spend less than you would maintaining and insuring a working vehicle.
Was there some point buried under all that ignorant posturing?
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07-19-2011, 10:54 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
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Too bad government involvement has caused so many to be unable to truly afford a college education.
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I know! Just look how outrageously expensive college education is for students in countries with extensive government involvement, like in Norway!
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07-19-2011, 10:56 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
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Originally Posted by Kael
Yes, it is easier in America to get cable TV, air conditioning, and an Xbox than it is to get health care, good job opportunities, and an education. FFS, you can even get all of the former and still spend less than you would maintaining and insuring a working vehicle.
Was there some point buried under all that ignorant posturing?
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You've got your bread and your circuses, now stfu, peons?
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07-20-2011, 12:23 AM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Earlier this month we were 0-3, now we are 1-3!
Fish don't fry in the kitchen!
Beans don't burn on the grill!
Took a whole lotta ta-ri-en!
Just to get up that hill!
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Soma for everyone.
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
lol Heritage Foundation
In other stunning news, AMA studies establish the need for tort reform and NAMBLA studies prove the physical and psychological benefits of grown men fucking little boys.
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07-20-2011, 08:36 AM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
I was poor for a long time, trying to raise my numerous brood on very low incomes before we finally struggled our way up and out.
Anyone who has ever had to watch their kids not have what all the other kids have and experience the heartbreak you feel when they try to pretend it doesn't matter would not say such a deeply stupid thing. If you would have experienced the constant fear and guilt that comes with having no safety net for yourself or your loved ones, while working long and hard hours being labor-fodder for an uncaring company you would not have posted that fatuous garbage. Shame on you.
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07-20-2011, 01:35 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
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07-20-2011, 02:28 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
lmao
You guys are just silly.
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07-20-2011, 02:51 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Notorious Commie Adam Smith weighs in:
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By necessaries I understand not only the commodities which are indispensably necessary for the support of life, but what ever the customs of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even the lowest order, to be without. A linen shirt, for example, is, strictly speaking, not a necessary of life. The Greeks and Romans lived, I suppose, very comfortably, though they had no linen. But in the present times, through the greater part of Europe, a creditable day-laborer would be ashamed to appear in public without a linen shirt, the want of which would be supposed to denote that disgraceful degree of poverty which, it is presumed, nobody can well fall into, without extreme bad conduct.
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
I just read this article, and I am positively scandalized to read some of the unimaginable luxuries that poors have, and to think that they hate America so.
- Car - haha what do poors need with a car, why don't they walk to work like the middle class, can they even drive? How did they get a license?
- Air conditioning - you know how sometimes during a heat wave some old people actually die from the heat, despite the anti-market efforts of some radical activists? This is how America should be, because it is the greatest country in the world.
- Refrigerator - probably to keep their welfare caviar cool!
- Oven and stove - probably to cook their welfare saffron soufflés AND PROBABLY CRACK COCAINE to fuel gang violence.
- Microwave - are they just too lazy to cook with sunlight, as did the faithful wives of the founding fathers? Or maybe you have to grow up in a two-parent household to have that kind of work ethic!
- Clothes washer - they need to get off their lazy behinds and get to work! The poors - especially the urban poors - can wash their clothes in any of America's fine, pristine waterways, which nourish the cities and refresh the senses, no thanks to the government trying to strangle free enterprise.
- Clothes dryer - surely a clothes line or a warm rock in the back yard would suffice, and wouldn't create such a socially destructive and tax-raising sense of entitlement.
- Ceiling fans - this is scandalous because if there's a fan, that necessarily means that there is a ceiling!
- Cordless phone - this is just spiteful to those of us who work for a living! That the poors should lounge about so fancy free, chatting with each other on the telephone at all hours of the day, without a care in the world or a cord binding them to the wall. I distinctly remember that I threw out a nice regular phone - the kind with a big cord and a dial - in 1992. How come some poors didn't just use that one before spending my tax dollars on a fancy cordless one like normal people might buy?
- Coffee maker - Well, I never.
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07-21-2011, 01:22 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
This is a testament to the virtues of capitalism and an indictment of government regulation.
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07-21-2011, 01:30 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
I'm sure Leopold II said the same thing about the Congo Free State.
Also, government regulation bad, except when it is ladyparts, amirite, Jerome?
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07-21-2011, 04:26 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
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This is a testament to the virtues of capitalism and an indictment of government regulation.
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You keep this up, and you just may replace Iacchus as my favorite poaster!
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07-21-2011, 05:34 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
Personally I think the poor should be rounded up and farmed out to libertarians to use as foot stools. Thus meaning libertarians can pay them a wage and they can stop pooring up the place with their lazy well deserved poverty. Simultaneously the government should deconstruct itself, let everyone do whatever they will and overnight cure social depravation by doing so.
No seriously, libertarians often seem to target the wrong things. The poor in the US not being as poor as in other countries is actually a good thing. I genuinely don't see what the beef is.
They should start a religion called capitalism, build temples and start teaching it in schools.
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07-21-2011, 06:46 PM
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Re: Poor in the USA: Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox
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They should start a religion called capitalism, build temples and start teaching it in schools.
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Ever heard of Objectivism?
That and then there's the prosperity gospel and things like that...
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