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05-21-2011, 04:16 AM
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Elephant Talk
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Last time I went through the thread, Pan Narrans, but it's a pretty distant second.
there has been a flurry of activity and I need to try and sort through that. probably tomorrow.
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05-21-2011, 04:57 AM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Elouise
nightson, why would you want to keep returning a player to L 1 to pressure a claim on day one? That's actually three questions .. and they've been asked before, but your response to them so far has been inadequate.
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Do you generally lynch people without them claiming? Jerome has been floating from L-3 to L-1 for days, that many votes stops pressure from applying to anyone else.
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05-21-2011, 05:02 AM
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Not as smart as Adam
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Nightson
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Originally Posted by Elouise
nightson, why would you want to keep returning a player to L 1 to pressure a claim on day one? That's actually three questions .. and they've been asked before, but your response to them so far has been inadequate.
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Do you generally lynch people without them claiming? Jerome has been floating from L-3 to L-1 for days, that many votes stops pressure from applying to anyone else.
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He said, a page or two back, that he was town. How much more of a claim do you want?
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05-21-2011, 05:38 AM
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It's however you interpret the question...
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
I think he is asking for a role rather than an alignment.
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05-21-2011, 05:47 AM
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Not as smart as Adam
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
I think he is asking for a role rather than an alignment.
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Does that strike you as a pro-town move?
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05-21-2011, 07:29 AM
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Location: California
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Deadlokd
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Originally Posted by Nightson
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Originally Posted by Elouise
nightson, why would you want to keep returning a player to L 1 to pressure a claim on day one? That's actually three questions .. and they've been asked before, but your response to them so far has been inadequate.
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Do you generally lynch people without them claiming? Jerome has been floating from L-3 to L-1 for days, that many votes stops pressure from applying to anyone else.
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He said, a page or two back, that he was town. How much more of a claim do you want?
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Seriously? You think, "I'm town." counts as a claim?
I do not get your opposition to a claim from the leading bandwagon as they go back and forth from L-2 to L-1 to L-2. Claiming is what happens at this point. It's mindboggling that you're trying to portray this as against the interests of the town, I am literally sitting wondering what on earth is running through your head to make you think this.
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05-21-2011, 08:02 AM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Nightson
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Originally Posted by Deadlokd
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Originally Posted by Nightson
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Originally Posted by Elouise
nightson, why would you want to keep returning a player to L 1 to pressure a claim on day one? That's actually three questions .. and they've been asked before, but your response to them so far has been inadequate.
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Do you generally lynch people without them claiming? Jerome has been floating from L-3 to L-1 for days, that many votes stops pressure from applying to anyone else.
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He said, a page or two back, that he was town. How much more of a claim do you want?
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Seriously? You think, "I'm town." counts as a claim?
I do not get your opposition to a claim from the leading bandwagon as they go back and forth from L-2 to L-1 to L-2. Claiming is what happens at this point. It's mindboggling that you're trying to portray this as against the interests of the town, I am literally sitting wondering what on earth is running through your head to make you think this.
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The person claims and, if not protected, is nk'd night one. Good idea.
Even if Jerome did claim now, would you believe him? I suppose then you'll be wanting the real role to counter claim?
Brilliant plan.
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05-21-2011, 08:13 AM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
In what way does that line of logic not work for absolutely every single person in the game.
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05-21-2011, 10:40 AM
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Dissonance is its own reward
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Elouise
Even if Jerome did claim now, would you believe him? I suppose then you'll be wanting the real role to counter claim?
Brilliant plan.
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Like, pretty much every mafia game ever?
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05-21-2011, 12:39 PM
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hopelessly incredibly selfish
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Nightson
In what way does that line of logic not work for absolutely every single person in the game.
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Logic is a funny thing. It can masquerade scummy intentions.
Can you honestly say that applying pressure to get someone to role claim is not a scummy tactic?
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05-21-2011, 12:46 PM
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simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Deadlokd
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
I think he is asking for a role rather than an alignment.
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Does that strike you as a pro-town move?
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It is neutral to me. I have done similar in the past and had people fos or vote for me.
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05-21-2011, 12:59 PM
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hopelessly incredibly selfish
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by beyelzu
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Originally Posted by Deadlokd
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
I think he is asking for a role rather than an alignment.
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Does that strike you as a pro-town move?
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It is neutral to me. I have done similar in the past and had people fos or vote for me.
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I have only done it as scum. Usually it is pretty effective, unless some crazed serial killer takes out your don on night one. By pressuring people into role claiming you (as a scum) will know who to take out first in order to best weaken town. That is Elouise's point.
When I am town I am too busy trying to figure out who the scum are to be worried about pressuring someone into role claiming.
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05-21-2011, 02:27 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Seems a few of you are missing the point. Or are you?
Pushing for a role claim is special hunting. Forcing a special to out on day one is not pro town.
Nightson, why is it "mindboggling" to you that this tactic is being questioned?
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05-21-2011, 02:32 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by divagreen
When I am town I am too busy trying to figure out who the scum are to be worried about pressuring someone into role claiming.
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Indeed.
unvote
vote Nightson
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05-21-2011, 02:55 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Nightson
In what way does that line of logic not work for absolutely every single person in the game.
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^ apparently not a rhetorical question
Seriously, I know you guys have played mafia before, which is why I am just baffled by the words coming out of your mouths.
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05-21-2011, 05:08 PM
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Adequately Crumbulent
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
unvote; vote: Jerome
OK he is at L-1 again. ANy last words before someone drops the hammer Jerome?
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05-21-2011, 05:20 PM
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simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by divagreen
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Originally Posted by beyelzu
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Originally Posted by Deadlokd
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
I think he is asking for a role rather than an alignment.
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Does that strike you as a pro-town move?
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It is neutral to me. I have done similar in the past and had people fos or vote for me.
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I have only done it as scum. Usually it is pretty effective, unless some crazed serial killer takes out your don on night one. By pressuring people into role claiming you (as a scum) will know who to take out first in order to best weaken town. That is Elouise's point.
When I am town I am too busy trying to figure out who the scum are to be worried about pressuring someone into role claiming.
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people get to l-1, they claim or not as they see fit, the town either unvotes or lynches, we have had games where more than one claim gets made on day one because more than one person was pushed to l-1.
I am with nightson on this, you have played before right?
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05-21-2011, 05:21 PM
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simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Crumb
unvote; vote: Jerome
OK he is at L-1 again. ANy last words before someone drops the hammer Jerome?
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Are you asking him if he is going to claim because that evidently is special hunting?
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05-21-2011, 05:40 PM
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Adequately Crumbulent
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Asking for a claim before the hammer seems to be mafia 101 stuff.
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05-21-2011, 05:44 PM
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simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
Indeed, I find els and diva's complaints odd.
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05-21-2011, 05:46 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Nightson
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightson
In what way does that line of logic not work for absolutely every single person in the game.
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^ apparently not a rhetorical question
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You're voting a player to pressure a claim. Presumably a role claim, since Jerome's town claim apparently isn't good enough. If there's no role claim, then what? Lynch him?
And if there is a role claim, then what? Don't lynch him, and move onto someone else? Meanwhile scum have a NK candidate and we possibly lose a special. Thank you.
Pressuring a claim. WTF?
Lynch vote for reasons of scumminess, not to out specials.
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05-21-2011, 05:50 PM
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simple country microbiologist hyperchicken
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
The claim could also be vanilla town.
We go to l-1
there is claim
We lynch
We move on
Nightson would like to move on and feels the town is stuck on Jerome. (correct me if I am wrong Nightson) There are all sorts of things that you could disagree with. I am not pleased that he would vote for someone he would prefer not to lynch but I understand why.
Claiming that he is fishing for specials is just stupid.
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05-21-2011, 06:03 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
I am also hoping his role claim sheds light on his alignment.
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05-21-2011, 06:04 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by beyelzu
The claim could also be vanilla town.
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Yes .. So?
Jerome's claimed town already. Believe him or not. If you all aren't actually lynch voting him for scumminess, drop the lynch and work on someone else. Further pressuring a claimed townie for a role claim is not good for town.
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Originally Posted by beyelzu
Claiming that he is fishing for specials is just stupid.
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Claiming that pressuring for a role claim is not akin to fishing for specials is absurd.
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05-21-2011, 06:08 PM
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Re: Ghost in the Shell Mafia
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Originally Posted by Nightson
I am also hoping his role claim sheds light on his alignment.
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Are you talking about role claim ... or character claim? If it's the latter, have you considered the possibility of safe claims?
You're asking others about their mafia experience ... If you're not scum, you're taking a very naive approach to this.
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