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12-08-2011, 01:02 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
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Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.
On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:
"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."
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12-08-2011, 07:36 AM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
Seems more like a sleazy last ditch attempt to benefit from a serious fuck up.
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12-08-2011, 03:52 PM
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
Yah, I don't see where the (poorly conceived) plan was implemented in order to justify this rule. More like after they realized how phenomenally stupid and dangerous the thing they encouraged gun vendors to do was, they though that, hey, maybe it's also stupid and dangerous when it happens without our encouragement.
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12-08-2011, 10:54 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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Originally Posted by Adam
Yah, I don't see where the (poorly conceived) plan was implemented in order to justify this rule. More like after they realized how phenomenally stupid and dangerous the thing they encouraged gun vendors to do was, they though that, hey, maybe it's also stupid and dangerous when it happens without our encouragement.
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No, they actually said it was their purpose to manipulate the proles to gain a new law.
Government preformed illegal acts with the intention of causing a problem for the purpose of gaining new powers.
These are the same guys that have just been caught laundering money for the Drug Cartels.
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12-09-2011, 01:55 AM
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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No, they actually said it was their purpose to manipulate the proles to gain a new law.
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LOL citation?
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12-09-2011, 02:01 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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Originally Posted by Sauron
citation?
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12-09-2011, 02:09 AM
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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The OP does not state what you claim.
Try again?
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12-09-2011, 02:41 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
Does too.
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12-09-2011, 02:45 AM
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Dark Lord, on the Dark Throne
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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Does too.
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Wonderful.
Feel free to copy the exact sentence(s) right here:
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12-09-2011, 02:48 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
I don't work for you.
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12-09-2011, 03:06 AM
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Dark Lord, on the Dark Throne
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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I don't work for you.
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And apparently you don't support your claims, either.
I win. Naturally.
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12-09-2011, 03:09 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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I win. Naturally.
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Not if you keep bumping the OP.
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12-09-2011, 03:10 AM
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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I win. Naturally.
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Not if you keep bumping the OP. |
Bumping the OP only lets more people see you running from supporting your claim = moar win for me.
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12-09-2011, 03:30 AM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
Jerome, great example of how looking backwards it's easy to assume cleverness instead of dumb opportunity.
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12-09-2011, 03:48 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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Jerome, great example of how looking backwards it's easy to assume cleverness instead of dumb opportunity.
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At the same time they were laundering money for the same drug cartels to whom they were illegally selling guns.
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12-09-2011, 03:51 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
U.S. Drug Agents Launder Profits of Mexican Cartels - NYTimes.com
By GINGER THOMPSON
Published: December 3, 2011
WASHINGTON — Undercover American narcotics agents have laundered or smuggled millions of dollars in drug proceeds as part of Washington’s expanding role in Mexico’s fight against drug cartels, according to current and former federal law enforcement officials.
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12-09-2011, 04:34 AM
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Re: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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Jerome, great example of how looking backwards it's easy to assume cleverness instead of dumb opportunity.
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At the same time they were laundering money for the same drug cartels to whom they were illegally selling guns. |
Apparently the DEA and the ATF are actually the same agency. They just use different names to confuse the criminals.
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