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Do you by now understand what the post hoc fallacy is?
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Yes, but when there are so many testimonies by parents who have witnessed a change in behavior shortly after their children were vaccinated, you can't just handwave it away and call it coincidence.
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01-03-2017, 09:25 PM
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Re: Iffy therapies given thumbs up by the FDA. SCARY! I'm
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Do you by now understand what the post hoc fallacy is?
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Yes, but when there are so many testimonies by parents who have witnessed a change in behavior shortly after their children were vaccinated, you can't just handwave it away and call it coincidence.
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peacegirl, what would a correlation be in this case?
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01-04-2017, 08:29 AM
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Re: Iffy therapies given thumbs up by the FDA. SCARY! I'm
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I bet you did not even watch this very important warning that I posted! You reject it just because you are so biased. And meanwhile a holocaust of body-foreign substances is being peddled by Big Alt Pharma, and the FDA does nothing to protect us it even though no-one knows for sure what the risks are of these cocktails of unpredictable, completely untested compounds.
And you just hand-wave away the agonizing testimony of parents who had to watch their child die right after it had been given some alternative medicine and call it coincidence, as if there is no possibility that this is yet another case of synergistic toxicity brought on by the lethal brew of body-foreign substances being poured down the throats of millions by Big Alt Pharma!
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01-04-2017, 09:02 AM
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Terrifying reports coming out, telling us that Big Alt Pharma is poisoning us while the FDA does nothing... it does not even require these drugs to be tested!
Can Supplements Have Adverse Effects?
These untested, toxic compounds generally do not come with inserts warning of these side-effects. Not a single mention anywhere that there is any post-marketing research into the well-known dangers of toxic accumulation, the disruption of the bodies nutritional state caused by high intake of supplements, the increased growth rate of cancers... and that is just the relatively well-known supplements that have been around for a while!
We haven't even begun to look at herbal remedies, a product group with even less regulation. How many parents have not seen the near-pandemic of asthma and other chronic diseases that plague our children? Asthma prevalence is growing at an alarming rate - in the last 20 years, prevalence has increased 400%!
http://www.asthma.ca/corp/newsroom/pdf/asthmastats.pdf
And guess what else we have been feeding our children in ever-increasing amounts for the last 20 years? Herbal supplements that contain Asteraceae ingredients such as echinacea, dandelion, chamomile, feverfew, milk thistle and loads of others. It is well-documented that cross-reactivity can occur if you ingest these substances, which can trigger asthma. Who knows what kind of toxic synergy occurs when you feed more and more of these supposedly harmless, "natural" substances to children?
Adverse reactions to alternative medicines - Australasian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy (ASCIA)
But no, even though so many parents can clearly see their child develop Asthma after taking these supplements, Big Alt Pharma, which is always the first one to publish reams and reams of hyperbole at even the slightest suggestion of risk in science-based medicine, ignores the agonized testimony of parents whose children are caught in this raging pandemic. Not only do they remain completely silent about it, they continue to peddle this stuff unburdened by any need to even prove it has any beneficial effect, even as our children are coughing and wheezing themselves into early graves. Not one of them has taken up the gauntlet for us as our children are fighting for air, but just shrug and pocket their enormous profits, distracting the very shills whose children they are poisoning with vaccine scares and warnings about scientific medicine.
We must combat these poison peddlers, for our children!
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01-04-2017, 12:57 PM
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I bet you did not even watch this very important warning that I posted! You reject it just because you are so biased. And meanwhile a holocaust of body-foreign substances is being peddled by Big Alt Pharma, and the FDA does nothing to protect us it even though no-one knows for sure what the risks are of these cocktails of unpredictable, completely untested compounds.
And you just hand-wave away the agonizing testimony of parents who had to watch their child die right after it had been given some alternative medicine and call it coincidence, as if there is no possibility that this is yet another case of synergistic toxicity brought on by the lethal brew of body-foreign substances being poured down the throats of millions by Big Alt Pharma!
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This is such a bunch of BS. If a child died after taking some alternative medicine, I would question whether the medicine had something to do with it, you're darn right. And if thousands came forward with the same experience, I would suspect it as being the culprit. In alternative medicine there is nothing comparable to the lethal brews of synthetic substances that the FDA approves of without proper black box warnings. Turning to homeopathy during a medical crisis is not what I'm advocating nor am I saying that all alternative treatments are always benign. They may not be. It all depends on what the treatment is and if there are known risks associated with it, and the person's health status.
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01-04-2017, 01:14 PM
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Tell that to the thousands and thousands of asthma sufferers that Big Alt Pharma has pumped full of completely untested herbal supplements! But of course you feel it is a complete coincidence that asthma increases by 400% at the same time that we use more and more of the stuff!
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01-04-2017, 01:19 PM
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01-04-2017, 04:37 PM
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Do you by now understand what the post hoc fallacy is?
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Yes, but when there are so many testimonies by parents who have witnessed a change in behavior shortly after their children were vaccinated, you can't just handwave it away and call it coincidence.
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peacegirl, what would a correlation be in this case?
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01-04-2017, 04:56 PM
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Do you by now understand what the post hoc fallacy is?
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Yes, but when there are so many testimonies by parents who have witnessed a change in behavior shortly after their children were vaccinated, you can't just handwave it away and call it coincidence.
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peacegirl, what would a correlation be in this case?
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If thousands of people did not experience the same thing I would then surmise that maybe the cause of a child's devastating injury was something other than vaccines.
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01-04-2017, 05:01 PM
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Re: Iffy therapies given thumbs up by the FDA. SCARY! I'm
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If thousands of people did not experience the same thing. I would then surmise that maybe the cause of a child's devastating injury was something other than vaccines.
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Well that's pretty easy. Thousands of people do not experience the same thing. Indeed, hundreds of millions of people do not experience the same thing. Done.
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01-04-2017, 05:05 PM
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Do you by now understand what the post hoc fallacy is?
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Yes, but when there are so many testimonies by parents who have witnessed a change in behavior shortly after their children were vaccinated, you can't just handwave it away and call it coincidence.
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peacegirl, what would a correlation be in this case?
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If thousands of people did not experience the same thing. I would then surmise that maybe the cause of a child's devastating injury was something other than vaccines.
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That's complete nonsense. It's obvious that you don't even understand what the word correlation means. Look it up and then answer the question again.
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01-04-2017, 05:57 PM
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Do you by now understand what the post hoc fallacy is?
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Yes, but when there are so many testimonies by parents who have witnessed a change in behavior shortly after their children were vaccinated, you can't just handwave it away and call it coincidence.
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peacegirl, what would a correlation be in this case?
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If thousands of people did not experience the same thing. I would then surmise that maybe the cause of a child's devastating injury was something other than vaccines.
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That's complete nonsense. It's obvious that you don't even understand what the word correlation means. Look it up and then answer the question again.
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Absolutely not! I wasn't giving the dictionary definition and it is a sufficient answer. This is not an interrogation!!
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01-04-2017, 06:22 PM
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It's obvious that you don't understand what a correlation is. This is highly relevant to your claims about the supposed dangers of vaccines, so try again. What would a correlation be in this case?
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01-05-2017, 01:42 AM
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It's obvious that you don't understand what a correlation is. This is highly relevant to your claims about the supposed dangers of vaccines, so try again. What would a correlation be in this case?
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In my own words, a correlation is when something occurs at the same time as something else. These occurrences may or may not be related in any way. It may be total coincidence. On the other hand, a correlation may turn out to be the actual cause. It is very difficult to prove either correlation or causation but when so many parents are witnessing the same regressive symptoms in their children after being vaccinated, it behooves every scientist and researcher to search for the truth. Ignoring the firsthand experiences of parents is not the way to go about finding the truth.
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01-05-2017, 02:20 AM
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It's obvious that you don't understand what a correlation is. This is highly relevant to your claims about the supposed dangers of vaccines, so try again. What would a correlation be in this case?
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In my own words, a correlation is when something occurs at the same time as something else. These occurrences may or may not be related in any way. It may be total coincidence. On the other hand, a correlation may turn out to be the actual cause.
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That description is pretty bad, but hey.
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No. It may be difficult to prove causation, but it's not difficult at all to prove correlation.
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That's not correlation. It would be a correlation if there were more cases (or fewer cases) of whatever bad thing you're concerned about in a vaccinated sample compared to an unvaccinated sample. Or more cases shortly after vaccination. You could have a hundred precious babbies turning blue and choking to death following a vaccination; by itself that doesn't tell you anything if you don't compare that to how many precious babbies turn blue and choke to death without the vaccine.
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01-05-2017, 02:37 AM
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It's obvious that you don't understand what a correlation is. This is highly relevant to your claims about the supposed dangers of vaccines, so try again. What would a correlation be in this case?
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In my own words, a correlation is when something occurs at the same time as something else. These occurrences may or may not be related in any way. It may be total coincidence. On the other hand, a correlation may turn out to be the actual cause.
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That description is pretty bad, but hey.
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No. It may be difficult to prove causation, but it's not difficult at all to prove correlation.
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That's not correlation. It would be a correlation if there were more cases (or fewer cases) of whatever bad thing you're concerned about in a vaccinated sample compared to an unvaccinated sample. Or more cases shortly after vaccination. You could have a hundred precious babbies turning blue and choking to death following a vaccination; by itself that doesn't tell you anything if you don't compare that to how many precious babbies turn blue and choke to death without the vaccine.
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It would definitely be more definitive but that would be through surveys which are anecdotal. They've been asking for this but it hasn't been done on a large scale in the US. The preliminary study coming from Germany has concluded that vaccinated children are less heathy than unvaccinated children in many categories.
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01-05-2017, 02:53 AM
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It would definitely be more definitive in a comparison of vaccinated versus unvaccinated. They've been asking for this for ages but it hasn't been done on a large scale as far as I know.
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But peacegirl, you don't know very far, do you?
Myth: No Studies Compare the Health of Unvaccinated and Vaccinated People | Thoughtscapism
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Which study from Germany is that, peacegirl? This one?
Or is it the IAS 1992 questionnaire sent out by these quacks? I bet it's that one, because that's the one that comes on the front page of Google if I look for the terms that would most readily affirm your beliefs if uncritically accepted! Here are a few of the problems with this questionnaire. Of course, peacegirl, that's not a study at all - just a questionnaire.
However, sandwiched as it is between ads for scam products, you should swallow it whole, or at least pretend to to build some credibility when hawking your Corrupted Text to anti-vaxxers/Holocaust deniers, etc. You are right to target this group as the market for your Corrupted Text.
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01-05-2017, 03:11 AM
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Re: Iffy therapies given thumbs up by the FDA. SCARY! I'm
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In my own words, a correlation is when something occurs at the same time as something else.
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But was being entirely too generous. That's not remotely what the word "correlation" means.
Truly, your ignorance of subjects you nonetheless insist on pontificating about is astonishing.
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In my own words, a correlation is when something occurs at the same time as something else.
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But was being entirely too generous. That's not remotely what the word "correlation" means.
Truly, your ignorance of subjects you nonetheless insist on pontificating about is astonishing.
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correlation: A mutual relationship or connection between two or more things.
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01-05-2017, 03:23 AM
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correlation: A mutual relationship or connection between two or more things.
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Yes, that's a decent definition. Notice that it's not at all how you defined "correlation."
And my guess is that you're too ignorant and/or stupid to understand the difference -- and/or you're too dishonest to admit that you gave a ludicrously ignorant and inaccurate definition.
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correlation: A mutual relationship or connection between two or more things.
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Yes, that's a decent definition. Notice that it's not at all how you defined "correlation."
And my guess is that you're too ignorant and/or stupid to understand the difference -- and/or you're too dishonest to admit that you gave a ludicrously ignorant and inaccurate definition.
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This will clear things up.
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01-05-2017, 12:55 PM
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We aren't the ones having trouble understanding what the word "correlation" means -- you are.
Regardless, having [hopefully] learned what the word correlation actually means, will you be using it correctly now?
And when are you going to give a coherent answer to But's question?
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Also, this isn't about correlation vs. causation when we don't even have a correlation!
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We aren't the ones having trouble understanding what the word "correlation" means -- you are.
Regardless, having [hopefully] learned what the word correlation actually means, will you be using it correctly now?
And when are you going to give a coherent answer to But's question?
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Lone Ranger, how does the definition of correlation apply to a situation where the vaccine was given an hour before the child had a high fever, a seizure, and then a drastic change in behavior and loss of all the milestones he had akready reached? Are you in denial?
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