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I am skeptical an appliance the size of a refrigerator is going to provide enough power to meet the demands of a 4-ton air conditioner unit and an electric clothes dryer at the same time. I think it would have be closer to the size of a Buick and have a huge radiator to vent the heat lost due to ineffiency of something that would meet the spot demand. Electrolysis is probably less than 50% efficient and fuel cells are too, which means it will take four houses worth of energy to provide one house with power. Then again, conventional batteries aren't any better.
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All energy systems are lossy. Some high temperature fuel cell types might approach 90% efficiency with cogeneration. It's progress, anyway. Small steps. Theoretically, it's not impossible to have a room temperature superconductor coil to store energy with. Who knows what these people will turn up? I believe an awful lot remains in the way of practical application for researchers to discover.
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Even if they do come up with such an energy storing device, it will probably cost so much it would be cheaper to burn your house down for the heat and light.
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This would be pretty neat if it can be made to work at full scale. Burn hydrocarbons, use calcium oxide to capture the exhaust carbon by turning the scrubber's (I assume some kind of scrubber) calcium oxide into calcium carbonate before it leaves the stack. Next, use solar power and water to make carbon monoxide and hydrogen from the calcium carbonate, and restore the calcium oxide to it's original state for reuse. Next, make syngas from the hydrogen and carbon monoxide. Lather, rinse, repeat. Something like that. It reportedly works in the lab.

Carbon Dioxide Released from Burning Fuel Today Goes Back Into New Fuels Tomorrow

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Lipiński also discussed another project that uses inexpensive calcium oxide, made from ordinary limestone, to capture carbon dioxide (CO2) before it leaves the smokestacks of coal-fired electric power stations. The CO2 reacts with calcium oxide, forming calcium carbonate, the same material in blackboard chalk, some calcium dietary supplements and some antacids. The calcium carbonate then goes into a reactor that removes the CO2 and regenerates the calcium oxide for another encounter with CO2.
Both processes use highly concentrated sunlight as the energy source. The test facility built at the University of Minnesota by Lipiński and his colleague Jane Davidson, Ph.D., is a high-flux solar simulator consisting of seven 6,500-watt light bulbs and mirrors that focus the light into a spot about 2 inches in diameter. Temperatures in that spot can reach 3,600 degrees Fahrenheit, way beyond the melting point of steel.
In smokestack process, that heat would remove the carbon dioxide from calcium carbonate and regenerate the calcium oxide. In the genie-out-of-the-bottle CO2 process, that heat fosters breakdown of carbon dioxide and water to form carbon monoxide and hydrogen, the two components of "synthesis gas" or "syngas."
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All of that crap is pretty simple. I just need some fine gold wires. Let's say 0.1 mm, more or less.
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Daily Kos: Massive Paradigm Upheaval in Power Production is Happening Right Now

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IKEA recently announced its plans to be a net PRODUCER of electricity by 2020, using solar and wind power to produce electricity over and above what the company uses. They've already committed 1.8 BILLION dollars to the goal. It's just 7 years from now.

Walmart also has similar plans for the future. Apple, too. Many other companies, too. A consortium of 33 companies came together to sign a "Climate Change Declaration" to call on the US to move toward meaningful climate change policies. Levi's. L'Oreal. Intel. Unilever. North Face. And many of these companies are also putting money into ramping up their own power production from renewable energy.
Major companies are signing on to a climate change initiative. Maybe it really does constitute a "paradigm shift". If the supplicants for alt energy subsidies are no longer just Greenpeace, Sierra Club etc, and morph into GM, Walmart, and Intel, will the elected representatives change their legislative behavior? My guess is hell yeah they will. This is important because the unpredictability of subsidy programs has been something of an obstacle to alt energy investment.

With the cost gap between renewables and conventional energy systems narrowing as technology improves and experience increases, and as fossil fuels take ever more effort and resources to extract, we are slowly but surely approaching a tipping point.

Maybe we will be able to side step a carbon tax by simply subsidizing alternative energy. I have no objection to this, as it's not simply producers that pollute. We all use and benefit from the energy derived from coal and petroleum, we're all responsible for climate change. Why shouldn't we all pay for the remedy?
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Another good reason for businesses to generate their own electricity is to stay up and running after natural disasters. Most of the time, power outages are grid related. The more damage to the grid the longer the outage. If you aren't relying on it, you keep running.

Hurricanes, wild fires, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc all have similar affects on businesses. Without power, most businesses have to shut down completely.

Distributed generation capabilities turn the grid into millions of point sources for power supply.

http://www.usgbc.org/articles/buildi...perstorm-sandy Number 3 on this list is really important.
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IKEA would do well to power their escalators by having power-producing tiles on their seemingly endless walkway through the store, the one that requires you to walk about five miles to get to the checkout stands.
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Another good reason for businesses to generate their own electricity is to stay up and running after natural disasters. Most of the time, power outages are grid related. The more damage to the grid the longer the outage. If you aren't relying on it, you keep running.

Hurricanes, wild fires, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc all have similar affects on businesses. Without power, most businesses have to shut down completely.

Distributed generation capabilities turn the grid into millions of point sources for power supply.

http://www.usgbc.org/articles/buildi...perstorm-sandy Number 3 on this list is really important.
Indeed! The idea that it can't be done is being systematically destroyed by primary evidence. :)

KW25*|*Solar PV, wind reach 60% of mid-day German electricity output on June 16th*-*SolarServer

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Between 2 PM and 3 PM on June 16th, the output from PV plants reached 20.3 GW, while wind turbines supplied 9.3 GW, for a total of 29.6 GW. This represented 61% of the 48.5 GW of total generation during this hour. Coal, gas, nuclear and oil generation comprised only 18.9 GW during the hour.
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That's enough to go back in time how many times, Doc Brown?
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Renewable Energy Sources Gaining Market Share | DeSmogBlog

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In a positive sign for United States energy consumption, a new report shows that the market share of renewable energy sources grew at a larger pace than fossil fuels for the year 2012. Additionally, the first half of this year has seen an enormous surge in renewable energy infrastructure and generating capacity.

For 2012, a decline in the cost of solar and wind infrastructure is partly credited with the surge in use. The International Energy Agency is now feeling more optimistic that renewable sources of energy could make up as much as 25% of global electricity generation by the year 2018.
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The increased use and infrastructure build-out become even more remarkable when you consider the attacks that have been flowing towards renewable energy standards all over the country.

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) launched an all-out assault on renewable energy standards last year, managing to get at least 16 different states with imposed Renewable Portfolio Standards (rules that provide a guaranteed commitment to investment in fossil fuels) to consider legislation that would have either scaled these requirements back, or eliminated them altogether.

In addition to the attacks from ALEC, the dirty energy industry has scaled back their investments into renewable projects, and instead decided to double down on their efforts to suck the last drops of oil and natural gas out of the ground.
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I'm thinking a lot lately about getting whole house solar panels for my house before the tax benefit goes away.

Also, geothermal.
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U.S. wind power fastest-growing energy source in 2012, report says - latimes.com

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Tuesday's report shows highlights the growth in the wind power industry:

Industry estimates peg the number of workers in the wind energy field to be 80,000.
Wind energy now has the capacity to power all the homes in California and Washington state.
Nine states now rely on wind for more than 12% of their total annual energy consumption.
In Iowa, South Dakota and Kansas, that share rises to more than 20%.
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I was in the Thumb last weekend. For those of you not from Michigan, it's the part that looks like a thumb.

Anyway, we had to detour to avoid insane crowds of Jimmy Buffet fans and passed a huge field of windmills that had been two or three just a few years ago. I had heard they wanted to build on the thumb because the airflow was better. But I didn't realize how big it had gotten. There were even a few still under construction. Pretty cool.

ETA: That's not a very accurate map. I've never heard anyone describe Flint as being part of the thumb before.
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Are there still lots of cherry orchards in the Thumb?

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Probably, although I believe they are more plentiful on the West side of the state. Cherries are still one of our biggest crops.
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A potential nice new battery type. Still in R & D phase. Eliminates the need for membranes, typically a weak point by virtue of cost or susceptibility to corrosion, by maintaining a laminar flow of liquids. So far a device has been made that works. If it can be scaled up, potentially will offer storage at $100/kw capacity (guessing installed), which isn't bad.

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The palm-sized prototype generates three times as much power per square centimeter as other membraneless systems -- a power density that is an order of magnitude higher than that of many lithium-ion batteries and other commercial and experimental energy-storage systems.

"This technology has as much promise as anything else being explored for storage, if not more," says Cullen Buie, an assistant professor of mechanical engineering at MIT. "Contrary to previous opinions that membraneless systems are purely academic, this system could potentially have a large practical impact."
Buie, along with Martin Bazant, a professor of chemical engineering, and William Braff, a graduate student in mechanical engineering, have published their results this week in Nature Communications.
"Here, we have a system where performance is just as good as previous systems, and now we don't have to worry about issues of the membrane," Bazant says. "This is something that can be a quantum leap in energy-storage technology."
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Scotland awards a contract for a sizable tidal turbine array. Enough to power 42,000 homes in the highlands.

Scotland gives consent for 86MW tidal energy project | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building

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MayGen — a joint venture between investment bank Morgan Stanley, independent power generator GDF SUEZ and tidal technology provider Atlantis Resources Corporation — will install the tidal array in stages, with the first demonstration stage of six turbines starting construction in 2014 and providing 9 MW of renewable power by 2015.

The 25-year lease signed with the Scottish government is for an area encompassing 1.4 square miles (3.5 square kilometers), and MayGen is planning on a second phase to eventually install up to 400 turbines with the potential to generate up to 398 MW. The Scottish government is contributing £13m to the project.

Scottish Energy Minister Fergus Ewing said “we must tackle climate change. We need to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels through better and more efficient uses of energy. Marine energy — a home-grown technology with huge potential — is part of the solution.”

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This article deals with the potential, largely unexploited as yet benefits of superconductors. The part that most interests me is in use for energy storage. Forget batteries, store energy in big supercon inductors!! Batteries have inherent inefficiencies. Internal resistance results in heat during charge or discharge (meaning wasted energy, in the absence of cogeneration), anodes, cathodes or electrolytes that degrade (service life issues), expensive materials and so on. Supercons have virtually no internal resistance, no parts that wear out (except the cryo pumps/compressors, but they can just be refurbished periodically), no electrolytes, membranes, etc. High temperature supercons work at liquid nitrogen temps. Nitrogen is plentiful, and somewhat less energy intensive to keep at cryo temps than helium (most supercons currently use helium). The only parasitic drain is for the compressor and "cold head" pumps, but the amount of energy stored can greatly exceed that operational power demand. I will lol if the South Koreans beat us to the punch. The article also discusses supercon in connection with power transmission. I think that will be hard, but not impossible, to do. You have to maintain a vacuum insulation around the transmission line. Seems kind of hard to me, and trouble prone. A number of other non energy possibilities are discussed as well.

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Kyeongdal Choi and Woo Seok Kim, from Korea Polytechnic University, explain how high temperature superconducting technologies can be used to effectively store power from wind and solar plants, as the weather dictates how much power can be generated at any one time, unlike non-renewable sources such as coal and oil which have a constant output.
I have been following the alt energy discussion for some time, and whenever the interruptible nature of solar and wind come up, always think, look, right there! It's right there! Use a supercon coil! There are prolly some problems I don't know about in the practical application, maybe, but seems like it should work fine in theory, to me.

ETA: Appending a study on cost just because - http://web.ornl.gov/sci/htsc/documen...t%20063003.pdf
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Obama Administration Issues New Rules Capping Carbon Emissions From New Coal Plants - The Daily Beast

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The coal industry says carbon-capture technology is unproven and would make building new plants uneconomical. Last year, the Congressional Budget Office projected that carbon-capturing coal plants would cost about 75 percent more than conventional coal plants. McCarthy, speaking at a House hearing earlier this week, pointed to four planned carbon-capturing coal plants as proof that the industry could adjust to new regulations. One of those plants, in Mississippi, has a deal to sell its carbon to nearby oil companies, which use it in their drilling process. That helps defray carbon-capture costs, though the plant is still proving expensive.
Obama EPA finally gets really real about coal. The coal industry has been advertising about clean coal, but now that they have to show it to us if they want new power plants, they don't seem very happy about it. I find it very amusing, myself. :lol: This seems the optimal solution. Making the producer abate an external pollutant at the source prices in the real cost for everybody. What could be more fair?

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ALEC calls for penalties on 'freerider' homeowners in assault on clean energy | World news | theguardian.com

Instead of paying home power generators a "feed-in" tariff, they want to charge people for supplying power ... because they aren't contributing to the costs of the power grid transporting their fed-in power.

Setting aside the utter bollocks of this claim, let's take it to a logical conclusion: everybody who doesn't consume* commercial power should be charged for their unAmerican behaviour.

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Won't they just unhook from the grid and not share any of their power if that happens?
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Many solar-panel equipped homes are not equipped with a battery bank that would sustain them for sunless periods, something that would cost plenty.
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Battery prices are dropping fast. Those homes may soon choose to invest. eCars are approaching the threshold of affordability and practicality as result of lower battery prices.

Mindboggling Consequences In Wake Of Battery Price Drops | CleanTechnica

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About a century ago the nascent automotive industry started out by producing electric vehicles. Even big names such as Porsche started their business on a pure-electric basis. In the hundred-year hiccup that followed we have burned billions of tons of fossil fuel, but the clean times of pure electric are returning.

The trigger to this all is simple: affordable batteries. Just as the television business was turned upside-down by the prices of flat-panel TVs in the 90’s and similarly the solar business by plummeting panel prices in the decade thereafter, we are now in a transition period where battery prices are dropping by 20-30% each year. The consequences for the automotive industry are mindboggling.

Battery prices are the main cost drivers of electric vehicles. Last year Volkswagen stated that it would be possible to manufacture a 100% electric vehicle more cheaply than a car with a combustion engine within three years.
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