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Old 10-10-2004, 12:41 AM
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I've been using the same install of win2k for the past 3 years now, I believe. In the past two years, I have had a grand total of zero virus infections, and zero spyware/malware incidents. All done using freeware programs too.


Simple steps to keep your PC Healthy:


#1: Where possible, exclusively use a web-based email client... Stuff like yahoo, gmail, hotmail, etc. By doing this, you significantly reduce your chances of getting virus-infected emails (down to ~zero), as any virus-laden emails have to first get through the very strict server filtration process, any virused emails that do get through sit on the yahoo/gmail/hotmail/etc server, and not on your PC, to be deleted at your leisure. Also, all those lovely Outlook exploits become useless.


#2: Use Mozilla Firefox/Opera/anything other than MS IE! These browsers are usually immune to many malicious scripts out there, plus stop most pop-ups dead. If one site you need to visit doesnt work in the other browsers, then just use IE for that one site... not for all surfing.


#3: Firewalls are your friend. What a firewall does is monitor traffic that comes into, and goes out of your system, and either grants or denies access to the traffic. Also, they help you notice when your system is infected by spyware (after all, what good is spyware if it doesnt communicate back to base at some stage?). How to use them is relatively simple... Programs you know/trust, grant access. Programs you don't know/don't trust, deny access. If in doubt, google the name, and see if it pops up under any security risk pages or anything like that.

I use Kerio myself. 100% free for home users, and easy to use too. Like most good firewalls, Kerio also checks the size of an application executable each time its run, so that if its been modified (by a virus, another program, or an update), it will await your OK before letting the program run. Very useful, but be warned: If you have XP auto-update on, some windows file updates probably will trigger it too. If possible, get details on what was auto-updated, so you know what the files are. Anyway, same sort of idea as above applies: If you've recently upgraded that software/file, then accept the change. If you have not, reject it.

The second thing Kerio does is warn you when an application launches another application. Depending on how often legitimate applications do this, this can get annoying... it can be disabled though.


#4: Hrm.. On the proviso that you exclusively use web-based email, run mozilla, and follow #5, you should be pretty safe from viruses. Grisoft offer a free virus scanner, AVG.


#5: Know where not to go and what not to install.The most important tip that I have. There are three really bad sources of spyware/malware:
  • Some free porn sites: Unfortunately, I am somewhat inexperienced in porn-surfing. So I can offer no real tips here, apart from the following: Why not sign up for a pay site instead? I'm think they all offer samples of thier produce, and I don't know how expensive they are, but I'm sure that after a little hunting, you can come up with one thats not too bad.
  • Direct download and other web-based warez sites... Ugh. Practically the only reason these exist is to infect your PC. If you want this sort of stuff, bittorrent based sites are your friend. I am not going to tell how you to use bittorrent, or where to find bittorrents... but google definitely can.
  • web based Serial/Crack sites: If you are relatively inexperienced, _do not_ look at web based serials/cracks sites. Instead, head over to IRC, and find serial/crack channels instead, and get stuff from them.

There are a diverse range of sites on top of this that can be malicious, but usually all you need is a firewall, an alternative browser, and some care, and you'll be right.

Regarding programs, when installing them, always click custom, so you know what it is you are installing. If you can handle it, read the license agreement too. Doing this will often reveal 'piggybacking' spyware/malware.


#6 If you have decided to follow these tips, they are much more effective if you start fresh. Backup any non-backed up work/stuff, format your computer, stick your windows cd in, and do a clean install. If you are unsure about how to go about formatting/reinstalling, Computer shops et al. should be able to do it for you, usually for some nominal fee if you shop around. Once thats done, first stop windows update, and update that OS. If you have a choice of OS'es, I really do recommend Windows 2000 - in my opinion, it is the best OS Microsoft has ever made. Anyway, after the updates, install Kerio/firewall, reboot, install AVG/scanner, reboot, and install Mozilla/non IE browser. Then hunt down critical applications, and install them. Now your set!

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Old 10-10-2004, 02:09 AM
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I've been using the same install of win2k for the past 3 years now, I believe. In the past two years, I have had a grand total of zero virus infections, and zero spyware/malware incidents. All done using freeware programs too.


Simple steps to keep your PC Healthy:


#1: Where possible, exclusively use a web-based email client... Stuff like yahoo, gmail, hotmail, etc. By doing this, you significantly reduce your chances of getting virus-infected emails (down to ~zero), as any virus-laden emails have to first get through the very strict server filtration process, any virused emails that do get through sit on the yahoo/gmail/hotmail/etc server, and not on your PC, to be deleted at your leisure. Also, all those lovely Outlook exploits become useless.


#2: Use Mozilla Firefox/Opera/anything other than MS IE! These browsers are usually immune to many malicious scripts out there, plus stop most pop-ups dead. If one site you need to visit doesnt work in the other browsers, then just use IE for that one site... not for all surfing.


#3: Firewalls are your friend. What a firewall does is monitor traffic that comes into, and goes out of your system, and either grants or denies access to the traffic. Also, they help you notice when your system is infected by spyware (after all, what good is spyware if it doesnt communicate back to base at some stage?). How to use them is relatively simple... Programs you know/trust, grant access. Programs you don't know/don't trust, deny access. If in doubt, google the name, and see if it pops up under any security risk pages or anything like that.

I use Kerio myself. 100% free for home users, and easy to use too. Like most good firewalls, Kerio also checks the size of an application executable each time its run, so that if its been modified (by a virus, another program, or an update), it will await your OK before letting the program run. Very useful, but be warned: If you have XP auto-update on, some windows file updates probably will trigger it too. If possible, get details on what was auto-updated, so you know what the files are. Anyway, same sort of idea as above applies: If you've recently upgraded that software/file, then accept the change. If you have not, reject it.

The second thing Kerio does is warn you when an application launches another application. Depending on how often legitimate applications do this, this can get annoying... it can be disabled though.


#4: Hrm.. On the proviso that you exclusively use web-based email, run mozilla, and follow #5, you should be pretty safe from viruses. Grisoft offer a free virus scanner, AVG.


#5: Know where not to go and what not to install.The most important tip that I have. There are three really bad sources of spyware/malware:
  • Some free porn sites: Unfortunately, I am somewhat inexperienced in porn-surfing. So I can offer no real tips here, apart from the following: Why not sign up for a pay site instead? I'm think they all offer samples of thier produce, and I don't know how expensive they are, but I'm sure that after a little hunting, you can come up with one thats not too bad.
  • Direct download and other web-based warez sites... Ugh. Practically the only reason these exist is to infect your PC. If you want this sort of stuff, bittorrent based sites are your friend. I am not going to tell how you to use bittorrent, or where to find bittorrents... but google definitely can.
  • web based Serial/Crack sites: If you are relatively inexperienced, _do not_ look at web based serials/cracks sites. Instead, head over to IRC, and find serial/crack channels instead, and get stuff from them.

There are a diverse range of sites on top of this that can be malicious, but usually all you need is a firewall, an alternative browser, and some care, and you'll be right.

Regarding programs, when installing them, always click custom, so you know what it is you are installing. If you can handle it, read the license agreement too. Doing this will often reveal 'piggybacking' spyware/malware.


#6 If you have decided to follow these tips, they are much more effective if you start fresh. Backup any non-backed up work/stuff, format your computer, stick your windows cd in, and do a clean install. If you are unsure about how to go about formatting/reinstalling, Computer shops et al. should be able to do it for you, usually for some nominal fee if you shop around. Once thats done, first stop windows update, and update that OS. If you have a choice of OS'es, I really do recommend Windows 2000 - in my opinion, it is the best OS Microsoft has ever made. Anyway, after the updates, install Kerio/firewall, reboot, install AVG/scanner, reboot, and install Mozilla/non IE browser. Then hunt down critical applications, and install them. Now your set!

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#1: Buy a Mac.

#2: problem solved.

#3: Repeat #1 as needed for each person.

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-Scott
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Old 10-10-2004, 03:36 AM
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Or...

#1: Buy a Mac.

#2: problem solved.

#3: Repeat #1 as needed for each person.

:D

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Hehe. Or, you can switch to linux too. =)
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Old 10-10-2004, 06:16 AM
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#4: Grisoft offer a free virus scanner, AVG.
Thanks for the info, peer. I take it you recommend this virus scanner? My subscription to Norton expires in a couple weeks & I'll switch if its good (running 98SE on this particular machine).
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Old 10-10-2004, 07:20 AM
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#4: Grisoft offer a free virus scanner, AVG.
Thanks for the info, peer. I take it you recommend this virus scanner? My subscription to Norton expires in a couple weeks & I'll switch if its good (running 98SE on this particular machine).
Grisoft has a free version and a for-pay version of AVG. I've been using the freeware version for a couple of years now, and haven't had any trouble with it. In all that time, the only infection I've gotten was when I was reinstalling my windows partition, and went online to download the latest version of AVG. I got the msblaster worm while waiting for my slow as hell dialup to complete the download. AVG caught it during the initial system scan and that was that.

Oh, and it will run on 98SE with no problems.

Norton is evil. For many users, getting a virus can be a very traumatic experience, and many have no clue how to proceed once a virus is detected. Norton preys on these people by charging a rather steep fee for every tech support call.

Anyway, if you are tech savvy enough to be able to disinfect a virus without needing someone to hold your hand, then I recommend AVG.
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Old 10-10-2004, 02:16 PM
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Thanks for the info, peer. I take it you recommend this virus scanner?
Yup. It definitely does the job.

(i.e. What wade said. =))
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Old 10-10-2004, 03:26 PM
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Oh, I highly recommended, for anybody, that the use a DSL/cable modem router (or firewall) in front of their cable-modem or DSL link (or really dailup, but I don't think I have seen anything for that, and probably never will).

The reason is for protection from worms and viruses. This is especially true on Windows boxes, because the mean time between being checked/attacked on-line is 10 minutes. So, if you have a new install, or a hole in Windows (surprise surprise) then only 10 minutes have to elapes before you can be taken advantage of. The router/firewall will protect against most of that. They only cost $50, so it is well worth while.

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Old 10-10-2004, 05:39 PM
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Oh, and Spybot 1.3 is key. I think it's better than AdAware in lots of ways, and they work well in tandem anyway.
Thanks. I downloaded and installed it this morning. It found seven little beasties :mole: that Ad-aware didn't.
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Old 10-10-2004, 09:00 PM
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Make sure you've upgraded to AdAware SE. From what I've read, it catches a lot of stuff which the previous versions didn't.
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Here is an online spyware checker that almost always finds stuff that Adaware, Spysweeper and Spybot S&D does not. Link

I cannot believe how pervasive this spyware is. How many working hours are being wasted in dealing with this shit? I don't know, but it is a lot.
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I get the usual crap emails peddling Viagra, valium, women promising sexual paradise, Nigerian princesses willing to share their fortune with me for just a tiny bit of help, etc, but just recently I have received unsolicited emails offering to scan my C drive for free. Now is that not so very kind of them ......the slimy bastards.
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I cannot believe how pervasive this spyware is. How many working hours are being wasted in dealing with this shit? I don't know, but it is a lot.
It really is. That's why the legislation and FTC action is finally beginning to come down.
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The reason is for protection from worms and viruses. This is especially true on Windows boxes, because the mean time between being checked/attacked on-line is 10 minutes.
I wonder if spyware/adware is going to be the death of Windows. Microsoft seems to be losing the fight to control it, in fact, almost none of the 'fixes' for spyware come from them, only patches for the worst of viruses.
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The problem is that MicroSquish doesn't care. It would cut into profits, plus, I don't really think they _can_ fix the problem. The only way is to do an O/S from the ground up, which is, possibly, what the next version is.

I like that the article say how much the spyware costs everybody in lost revenue and business. Gah! It is because of the crappy software that allows them to exploit it so easily! They should be fining MicroSquish because they are assholes!

Again, I highly suggest never running I.E. again, unless you HAVE to run it. I am slowly getting my office to use Firefox, or the netscape package (including email or using a Mac). I have been getting away from using Outlook too. This has done nothing but lower the complaints.

Oh, as a side note, somebody in the office got some spyware, and it replaced all of the graphics on OUR side with porn. Nice, just what we need, thebreastcancersite.com with porn sponsors. ;)

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Anyway, if you are tech savvy enough to be able to disinfect a virus without needing someone to hold your hand, then I recommend AVG.
I've never gotten a virus on this computer, and only had 2 instances where one was even sent, and stopped by Norton.

But here's a question: the Grisoft AVG's email scanner does not work with my email client, but their site says: "But if AVG E-mail scanner is not fully functional on your computer, Resident Shield still protects you against viruses How does that work?
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Anyway, if you are tech savvy enough to be able to disinfect a virus without needing someone to hold your hand, then I recommend AVG.
I've never gotten a virus on this computer, and only had 2 instances where one was even sent, and stopped by Norton.

But here's a question: the Grisoft AVG's email scanner does not work with my email client, but their site says: "But if AVG E-mail scanner is not fully functional on your computer, Resident Shield still protects you against viruses How does that work?
The issue here is when the virus gets detected. An e-mail scanner will detect a virus when the infected e-mail is received. Resident Shield, on the other hand, is the portion of AVG that detects viruses on you computer itself. So if you are sent an virus via e-mail, it won't be detected until you after you open your mail.
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The issue here is when the virus gets detected. An e-mail scanner will detect a virus when the infected e-mail is received. Resident Shield, on the other hand, is the portion of AVG that detects viruses on you computer itself. So if you are sent an virus via e-mail, it won't be detected until you after you open your mail.
Well, that wouldn't be very good in the event I receive an email containing one of those viruses (virii?) that executes when you open the email. Right? I'd hate to stop using Thunderbird.
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Getting a virus is not necessarily as serious as most people think. The Resident Shield portion of AVG will be able to disinfect your system.
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Old 10-18-2004, 08:37 PM
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I've got something nasty on my home computer. It's working way too slow, even for dial up. It says that my server can't be found when I try to go to a website or view my email. And the "sending message" thing comes on even though I'm not. MSN Messenger told me last night that I entered a wrong password. I think I've been hijacked. Can I go out and buy software to fix this, or should I bribe one of my friends to come fix it?
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Old 10-19-2004, 12:10 AM
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You can buy antivirus software at a lot of places. Best Buy has a good selection, Wal Mart carries them as well. The newest ones may have anti-spyware functions as well. To really get the full effect from anything, you'll need to update it from the web so that might not be possible. It may not be worth it, but you might try the tech support of your ISP.
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Okay-- I'll try both-- and perhaps bribe Dark Jedi or Blame_the_Gods to come by and rescue me.
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I think spyware must be down to poor security habits. Despite using Win9x systems widely at home I have never encountered any kind of software virus, worm or spyware. I have never been an IE fan so I have always used Netscape, Opera or Mozilla (latterly Firefox). I have avoided Outlook and Outlook Express in recent years because of their insecure treatment of html and attachments.

If I see an annoying animated ad, I block the source from sending me any more images. Flash animations only play on my system when I start them up; they are not permitted to hijack my computer screen as free advertising space. I do not run binaries from sources I cannot trust.

I have occasionally suffered from a side effect of computer misuse. One of my POP3 accounts is still regularly pelted with spam and viruses (I never post invalid "spamblocked" email addresses). I was about to give it up until recently when I discovered www.bluebottle.com. I got a free Bluebottle email account, with 250MB storage, POP3 and IMAP. This permits you to use a challenge-response system for email from unverified addresses. The sender receives an email asking him to click a link to verify that he isn't a bot. He does so and I see the email (and any subsequent emails he may send me, unless I later decided to block him).

Even better, a Bluebottle account will download email from up to three other POP3/IMAP mailboxes, and apply exactly the same processing to incoming emails as are applied to emails addressed directly to the Bluebottle mailbox.

Using that system I can now receive legitimate emails that are sent to me on that mailbox; I no longer see the spam. If a friend had a virus I would see any virus emails his system might send me but not those sent by other infected senders.

Because Bluebottle supports POP and IMAP, and also provides SMTP for outgoing email, I can read and send my Bluebottle emails using any normal mailer.

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Oh, I highly recommended, for anybody, that the use a DSL/cable modem router (or firewall) in front of their cable-modem or DSL link (or really dailup, but I don't think I have seen anything for that, and probably never will).
I've got an old Debian system, which we call the happy computer, handling broadband internet and NAT for the various computers we have plugged into the LAN here. I see to recall I just installed a Debian package called ipmasq

Basically this means that once upon a time I typed something like:

apt-get install ipmasq

while sitting at the console of the happy computer.

I haven't bothered about it since. All the computers in the house, once told that the happy computer is their gateway, just automagically have internet.

It's also a pretty nice computer in its own right; I used to use it as an X server when I had a far less capable laptop than the one I use now. The laptop (an early Thinkpad) just had to cope with displaying stuff on its screen, while all the programs (Web browsers, emailers, shells, and just about everything else) ran on the happy computer. Neat stuff!
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