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I can't even talk about "Lex Luthor." Whoever that was on screen was definitely not any Lex I've ever seen. Even if I do believe that Eisenberg could have been a good choice. Take this slight and nerdy looking guy and make him the second or third most intelligent man in the DC universe. Add in some shrewd business sense and an ability to manipulate the plan so that it at least looks like that was your plan all along. You don't make him some kind of manic Joker-like person. Lex is more of an evil Batman.

I don't understand his plan - if indeed there was one. Manipulate Batman and Superman into fighting each other so you can create the Doomsday creature... who would do what you tell it to? Like defend the Earth from Darkseid or Brainiac? (The two beings I imagine he could be ranting about at the end of the movie.) At best, you're trying to resurrect the being that just tried to destroy the Earth. Do you think zombie Zod (Zodbie?) would be grateful?

But now, dollars to donuts, in the next Super-sequel they'll write it so that when Lex interfaced with the phantom zone ship he learned what could be out there. You know, something he couldn't have known to plan for before he didn't know what he didn't know. And this knowledge is what drove him a little over the edge.


And I'm kind of amused that NO ONE is talking about the REALLY BIG SPOILER of the movie. Folks who are at all familiar with the tropes of the genre know the THING THAT HAPPENED doesn't matter before the tease at the end, and those who have been living under a rock their entire lives will be disappointed that THE THING doesn't matter already.


Oh, and Mr. The Man. If you aren't reading Pajiba, you should correct that now.
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Okay. Right. Yeah.

Guess I'm not seeing this in the cinema unless there are some drastically opposing reviews in the near future. Seems like it's being pretty universally panned. The most damning things for me are 1) the way the characters don't resemble their comic-book parts at all and 2) Eisenberg as Luthor being as bad as all the trailers made it seem he would be.

Thanks for saving me some cash :ff: people! The only way to get them to change this shite is to not give them money for making it. Obviously some people have to see it first, so thanks for being the canary in the mineshaft :giggle:
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I feel like this is a very, very good take on why this film was always destined to be a flaming train wreck. After Snyder outed himself as a Randroid, there was no other possible outcome for the film. It’s not even remotely surprising that a Randroid so thoroughly misunderstands a character who, after all, was created by a couple of committed socialists.

Steven Attewell does indeed make some excellent points.


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We already knew from the reaction to Man of Steel that Snyder thinks that Superman needed to kill in order to learn that killing was wrong. This is news to me; I thought that perhaps one could figure that out from basic empathy or perhaps reasoning by extrapolation rather than direct experience.
Seriously? That was Snyder's reasoning? If you actually have to be taught that "killing is bad" through the action of killing someone, then you're a pretty pathetic excuse for a human being.

And don't forget -- we're talking about Superman, for crying out loud. He can see and hear people dying all over the planet. He doesn't need to be taught the terror and pain people feel as they're dying; he doesn't need to be taught that people are devastated when their loved-ones die. He can see and hear for that himself. Even if for some reason, basic empathy or basic reasoning skills aren't part of his make-up, he doesn't need to be taught that killing is bad.

If he somehow never realized before how terrible it is when someone dies unnecessarily, he should have realized it from his own reaction to Jonathan Kent's wholly unnecessary death. That alone should have been more than sufficient to convince him that [human] life is special and valuable, and that it should be preserved whenever possible.

I get that killing someone would be a traumatic experience, and that it would very possibly be the sort of thing that would turn a previously-apathetic character into a crusader for the sanctity of life. But saying that Superman must kill in order to learn that killing is bad is just straight-up insulting -- both to the character and to the audience.



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First, Snyder seems to think that we’re mad at him personally for killing fictional people, when the problem people had is that he didn’t film Superman trying to save anyone.
Seriously. How is Superman supposed to be a good guy in Man of Steel? Sure, he saves some random people when he happens to be in the vicinity and it's convenient, but the movie hammers home the point that he only actually cares about 3 people -- and even so, he allowed Jonathan Kent to die, though Clark could easily have saved him.

Hell, Jonathan -- Clark's mentor and role model, mind you -- actively argued that Clark should allow people to die, rather than expose his "secret" by saving them.


Well, Clark sure as heck learned that lesson; during the course of Man of Steel, many thousands of people died as a result of Superman's actions. And he neither lifts a single finger to save them, nor does he display even the slightest bit of sympathy for them.


Seriously, in any other movie, a character who showed such utter disregard for the welfare of others as Superman does in Man of Steel would straight-up be called a villain, or at best an antihero.



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And while I can’t believe I have to say this, but Superman is not the bad guy, he’s the good guy. One of the ways we tell bad guys from good guys in movies is that good guys try to rescue people. Superman especially is known for it ...
Why on Earth did Snyder want to direct movies about characters he clearly doesn't understand? More to the point, why would he want to direct movies about characters whose core values he apparently holds in contempt?

How could anyone who has any knowledge whatsoever of the characters fail to understand that both Batman and especially Superman are all about saving people? That is what they do!


I suppose it might be part of the "let's make a 'realistic' superhero movie mindset.

Well, in case I haven't made the point forcefully enough, I just hate the cynical (and if you ask me, downright idiotic) notion that "mature" equals dark and joyless. I hate the selfish and self-serving notion that goodness and altruism are "childish" notions that should be abandoned by adults. And I hate the self-serving and cowardly notion that people are ultimately selfish jerks who only do "good" when led to it by "superior" beings who place themselves above the petty laws and morality that guide the rest of us pathetic losers.

Indeed, I'm hard-pressed to think of a philosophy that's more at odds with what I think are the most basic requirements for calling yourself a decent human being -- kindness, compassion, and empathy for others.



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In retrospect, this also explains a number of the flaws with the Watchmen film. Moore’s work was, of course, a critique of Objectivism as much as it was a critique of, say, taking utilitarianism or the categorical imperative to the extent of moral absolutism. It doesn’t surprise me that an Objectivist would miss much of this.
Watchmen, like Man of Steel, is a movie that I liked upon first viewing. But as I had more time to digest it, its flaws became more and more apparent. For one thing, Snyder seems to have failed to understand (as have a ridiculously large number of people, for some reason) that Rorshach is not intended to be an admirable character.
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We already knew from the reaction to Man of Steel that Snyder thinks that Superman needed to kill in order to learn that killing was wrong. This is news to me; I thought that perhaps one could figure that out from basic empathy or perhaps reasoning by extrapolation rather than direct experience.
Seriously? That was Snyder's reasoning? If you actually have to be taught that "killing is bad" through the action of killing someone, then you're a pretty pathetic excuse for a human being.
You mention it later, but it bears underscoring. When you do something you think is a net good as a child - saving a bus full of children - and your father (adoptive or otherwise) suggests that it might not be the best idea or maybe worse that even he doesn't know whether it was good or not, I can see how you'd have problems calculating how you value life.

It's curious to note the contrast between the 1978 Superman and Man of Steel. Specifically the deaths of Jonathan Kent. In Man of Steel, Jonathan insisted that Clark let him die - for whatever reason. In Superman he had a heart attack and Clark simply couldn't save him. The lessons learned from either scenario is striking and terrifying. Man of Steel - sometimes you may have to let people die. Superman - sometimes you can't save everyone.


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In retrospect, this also explains a number of the flaws with the Watchmen film. Moore’s work was, of course, a critique of Objectivism as much as it was a critique of, say, taking utilitarianism or the categorical imperative to the extent of moral absolutism. It doesn’t surprise me that an Objectivist would miss much of this.
Watchmen, like Man of Steel, is a movie that I liked upon first viewing. But as I had more time to digest it, its flaws became more and more apparent. For one thing, Snyder seems to have failed to understand (as have a ridiculously large number of people, for some reason) that Rorshach is not intended to be an admirable character.
The problem with Watchmen the movie is that it was a glorification and not a deconstruction. I don't think there's any way to confer the meta narrative happening on those pages onto the film. There are definitely ways to deconstruct the hero genre but not using Watchmen as the source.
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Oh, and Mr. The Man. If you aren't reading Pajiba, you should correct that now.
Thank you; I will definitely be returning to this site in the future. I will probably also mine it for insightful comments which I will then riff off of when I feel up to it. However, this post is already :tealdeer: enough as it is, so I’ll do that later. (I literally wrote this reply going from the bottom up for reasons I cannot adequately explain).

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First, Snyder seems to think that we’re mad at him personally for killing fictional people, when the problem people had is that he didn’t film Superman trying to save anyone.
Seriously. How is Superman supposed to be a good guy in Man of Steel? Sure, he saves some random people when he happens to be in the vicinity and it's convenient, but the movie hammers home the point that he only actually cares about 3 people -- and even so, he allowed Jonathan Kent to die, though Clark could easily have saved him.

Hell, Jonathan -- Clark's mentor and role model, mind you -- actively argued that Clark should allow people to die, rather than expose his "secret" by saving them.

Well, Clark sure as heck learned that lesson; during the course of Man of Steel, many thousands of people died as a result of Superman's actions. And he neither lifts a single finger to save them, nor does he display even the slightest bit of sympathy for them.

Seriously, in any other movie, a character who showed such utter disregard for the welfare of others as Superman does in Man of Steel would straight-up be called a villain, or at best an antihero.
I agree 100% with this. And, not to belabour the point (as I’m going to return to it further below), but I think it speaks to a gigantic ideological blind spot within Objectivism. Simply put, the welfare of others is not remotely a concern in Objectivism. Rand derided altruism and actually praised selfishness. (No, literally, she actually wrote an essay entitled “The Virtue of Selfishness”).

Naturally, when this is taken to its logical extent, it seems utterly callous. And so we end up with Snyder’s Superman who literally could not give a shit if other people live or die, and he’s somehow supposed to be a hero. It just reveals the fundamental disconnect of Objectivism with, well, actual human nature. Empathy is a fundamental part of the human experience. The fact that Snyder literally cannot understand that empathy is the single defining characteristic of Superman’s character fundamentally comes back, I would say, to the unbridgeable chasms in their ideologies.

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And while I can’t believe I have to say this, but Superman is not the bad guy, he’s the good guy. One of the ways we tell bad guys from good guys in movies is that good guys try to rescue people. Superman especially is known for it ...
Why on Earth did Snyder want to direct movies about characters he clearly doesn't understand? More to the point, why would he want to direct movies about characters whose core values he apparently holds in contempt?

How could anyone who has any knowledge whatsoever of the characters fail to understand that both Batman and especially Superman are all about saving people? That is what they do!
This is what happens when you are blinded by ideology, as Snyder clearly is. I’m going to expound on a theory I’ve had for a rather long time, which is that the reason liberals have been more successful in the culture war is because they understand an important aspect of culture: namely, your politics cannot supersede your culture. Having a message is important. However, if that message gets in the way of telling a good story, no one is going to give the slightest bit of a shit. Hollywood generally sets out to tell a good story, and most of the people who do this tend to have a somewhat liberal agenda. That agenda informs their storytelling, but it’s not the prime driver of their storytelling.

Right-wingers often don’t seem to get this, and as a result, the work made by such people comes across as heavy-handed preaching. Their message isn’t secondary to their characters and stories; their characters and plots exist entirely in service to their messages. Thus you often get characters behaving in entirely unbelievable ways purely to prove an ideological “point”, or gigantic ideological misfires like Galt’s Gulch literally being a fucking commune. When everything is in service to your ideology, you develop colossal blind spots to what good storytelling practice means. Left Behind or anything Frank Miller has shat out in the past twenty years or anything by Terry Goodkind starting from about Faith of the Fallen are other good examples of this.

What I’m saying here, essentially, is that Snyder’s ideological obsessions have rendered him incapable of correctly interpreting the characters of Batman and Superman. In Superman this is not, for reasons I elaborated on in my previous post, remotely surprising. However, Batman is generally supposed to be a capitalist superhero (much like Iron Man is for Marvel). The fact that Snyder so fundamentally misunderstood this character speaks to an ideological blind spot larger than even I expected from him.

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I suppose it might be part of the "let's make a 'realistic' superhero movie mindset.

Well, in case I haven't made the point forcefully enough, I just hate the cynical (and if you ask me, downright idiotic) notion that "mature" equals dark and joyless. I hate the selfish and self-serving notion that goodness and altruism are "childish" notions that should be abandoned by adults. And I hate the self-serving and cowardly notion that people are ultimately selfish jerks who only do "good" when led to it by "superior" beings who place themselves above the petty laws and morality that guide the rest of us pathetic losers.

Indeed, I'm hard-pressed to think of a philosophy that's more at odds with what I think are the most basic requirements for calling yourself a decent human being -- kindness, compassion, and empathy for others.
You’ve hit the nail on the head, and incidentally, this is why I find Objectivism to be such a fundamentally repulsive ideology (I won’t dignify it by calling it a philosophy because it’s not that sophisticated). Obviously following altruism to the extent that one completely effaces one’s own basic needs as a human being would be a fundamentally foolish idea, but I don’t know a single person on the face of the planet who actually behaves like that in the first place. Rand takes a bunch of obvious statements (like “don’t be a doormat”) and then twists them to absurd levels to extents that fundamentally disregard what it actually means to be human. And I mean that quite literally. Hominids evolved forming societies based in a mix of self-interest and altruism, because both, it turns out, have evolutionary advantages, as long as they are not taken to extremes. Rand asks us to throw an entire 50% of our nature away purely based on her ideological biases. In other words, she is doing entirely what is not to our evolutionary advantage: she is taking one part of our nature and stretching it to extremes.

I can sort of understand it coming from Rand, though. She grew up in the Soviet Union (which, naturally, followed the other extreme by ignoring the self-interested part of human nature) and obviously had some serious unresolved childhood issues that she clearly never worked through. I don’t feel loathing for her so much as pity. I can’t say the same for her followers. I don’t see any excuse for most of these people. Most of the time it’s just some half-baked whining about not wanting to pay taxes. Even though if you factor in things like college tuition and health care costs as “taxes” we actually pay more overall than a lot of European countries. But god forbid we relabel health care costs as taxes and get a more efficient system out of it - my taxes would go up!

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No problem. Some of Morrison’s graphic novels are quite worth reading as well when you’re done with that. I quite recommend We3 and Arkham Asylum and, if you’re in the mood for a treatise on anarchism that resembles nothing more than an acid trip (and also clearly inspired The Matrix and Ghost in the Cell), then also The Invisibles.


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In retrospect, this also explains a number of the flaws with the Watchmen film. Moore’s work was, of course, a critique of Objectivism as much as it was a critique of, say, taking utilitarianism or the categorical imperative to the extent of moral absolutism. It doesn’t surprise me that an Objectivist would miss much of this.
Watchmen, like Man of Steel, is a movie that I liked upon first viewing. But as I had more time to digest it, its flaws became more and more apparent. For one thing, Snyder seems to have failed to understand (as have a ridiculously large number of people, for some reason) that Rorshach is not intended to be an admirable character.
Spoilers below, but if you haven’t read a thirty-year-old graphic novel by now, are you ever actually going to?

Anyway, the problem with Watchmen for a lot of these people, I think, is that it’s a very morally grey story in a genre in which people are used to seeing black and white morality. Rorschach is not, fundamentally, an admirable character. He does have many admirable traits. He is relentlessly devoted to his pursuit of what he believes to be the truth, and does not, even at the cost of his own life, compromise his principles. But the people who praise him for this miss a rather crucial part of the narrative, probably because they weren’t paying close enough attention to the final frame of the comic: Rorschach’s actions in revealing Veidt’s conspiracy could very well cause the calming of hostilities to reverse, and thereby literally incinerate the planet. Granted, it is entirely open to interpretation whether the nutters at the New Frontiersman would even be believed, or whether they would be written off as fringe nutcases. But in revealing the conspiracy, Rorschach places the entire world at risk. Rorschach is an example of a character whose flawed moral compass leads him to place the entire world at risk. He is not intended to be an overall sympathetic character. Indeed, he is an examination of a point I raised above, about how following the categorical imperative to absolutist ends can lead to ethically disastrous outcomes.

Veidt is, of course, his foil, and is no more intended to be sympathetic than Rorschach is, but he is also not intended to be fundamentally unsympathetic either. He murders millions of people, which is a dead giveaway that we’re not supposed to sympathise with his positions. However, he does this because he genuinely believes, with entirely justifiable reasoning, that if someone does not do something extreme to stave off a nuclear holocaust, all of human civilisation will perish.

It is worth noting a parallel to Truman’s decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. An argument, made by Rorschach in fact, is that dropping these bombs may have killed millions of people in the short run, but that in the long run it had the net effect of saving lives, because if the war had been allowed to go on indefinitely it would have killed millions more. This is not necessarily a view shared by all historians; a significant contingent has pointed to evidence that some of the American military leadership had evidence that the Imperial Japanese were ready to negotiate a surrender, provided some conditions that would probably have been inconsequential in the long run. Indeed, some prominent U.S. generals later explicitly spoke out against the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and some historians have speculated that the primary purpose of the bombings was actually to intimidate the Soviet Union. But, in any case, Rorschach here took the utilitarian view.

Which, of course, is the fundamental irony of this part of the story. Veidt’s extremism in utilitarianism leads him to believe that killing millions of people is the only way to save the world. Is he right? The narrative really never answers this question for sure. However, in doing so, he has unquestionably crossed a moral threshold from which no human being could possibly recover. He may be an anti-villain, but he is certainly no longer capable of being called even remotely heroic.

Rorschach’s own absolutist view of the world (rooted in, well, his Objectivism) leads him unable to reconcile the obvious fact that Veidt’s utilitarian defence of his actions is exactly identical to his own defence of Truman’s actions during WWII. They are exactly the same down to small details, except that Veidt’s actions are simply Truman’s on a larger scale. If Rorschach’s objections were expressed based on matters of scale it might be possible to perceive him more sympathetically, but they are not. They are based purely in his own moral myopia. It is for this reason that he is at best an anti-hero, and at worst a token evil teammate.

So, yes, as I have stated, the central conflict at its heart results in a condemnation of following both the categorical imperative and utilitarianism to extremes: both, the graphic novel is saying, are useful moral compasses when followed to a reasonable extent, but if you follow one or the other to the point of absolutism, you will blind yourself to the realities of the world outside and create truly disastrous outcomes indeed. (It is worth noting that Kant, the formulator of the categorical imperative, would have refused to lie under any circumstances. If the Nazis had asked him if he was hiding any Jews, his writings suggest that he would have felt compelled not to lie to them. It’s difficult to see how following that mindset to extremes could possibly cause any harm).

I’ve only scratched the surface here of one tiny subplot of the novel. Snyder’s film essentially glosses over much of this (although admittedly, I haven’t watched his director’s cut in full; maybe some of the extra material covers this better). Needless to say, Watchmen the graphic novel is a work of unparalleled depth and one could probably write a book-length dissertation on it and still not cover everything Moore has to say in it. Snyder is a generally competent director when it comes to the technical aspects of making a film, but he is absolutely not capable of grasping the many layers in Moore’s message, so it is entirely unsurprising that the film came short of the graphic novel’s greatness.
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Like defend the Earth from [SPOILER] or [SPOILER]?

I was so busy hating that I totally forgot about discussion from a picture posted a long time ago. And also those nightmares that Bruceman was having?



In addition to that one weird nightdream where someone was trying to send a warning, seems to confirm that [SPOILER] is coming to town and that's why the Justice League is needed.

So, with the apparent asshole heroes Snyder is building it looks like he's also cribbing on Flashpoint Paradox territory.
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I haven't seen it yet, I shouldn't be here.

Just wanted you all to know that the only reason I'm gonna see it is to participate in this thread
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More later but the Supergirl Flash cross over was as dorky and adorable as you might expect.
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The crossover was the bestest new superhero thing I've seen in a very long time. It had my daughter and me squeeing like overly excited fangirls (what? there are more of them than me in my house).

It was just plain fun.

Sure it was corny and the dialogue can be so horribly stilted. But, on the other hand, the big goofy smiles on their faces is evidence just how much fun they had filming this episode. I didn't know that Gustin and Benoist had worked together earlier on "Glee" But, I love the idea of them reuniting here.

This needs to happen at least once a season.
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I'm still waiting for some planetary alignment before I watch it, and reading all of the positive reception got me like

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Reading the reviews I do agree a bit that they spent too much time on the badguys backstories, I didn't really care why Siobitch could scream soundwaves compared to watching Kara bounce at the instant delivery of icecream.

Otherwise I can't think of anything that wasn't great about it.
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I have no idea how I missed the fact that the Flash is in Batman V Superman. I knew he was going to be in the Justice League obviously, but didn't realise he was in BvS and none of you canaries told me!

So now I KNOW I will not be giving my money to that fucking shit kabab movie. WHY THE FUCK ISN'T Grant Gustin playing the Flash in these movies? :powerdawkins: I hate Synder even more now after reading that he said he never considered GG because he doesn't fit the tone of the DCEU. FUCK YOU asshole. Fuck you. :fuckyou:
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Cause DC fucked up and is trying to keep their Movie U and TV U separate.
Grant Gustin is excellent as the Flash, and I say this as someone who before always thought the Flash was kinda dumb and wanted my razor claw wielding wolverine instead of some dude that can run really fast.

Both Grant and Melisa are great actors for these parts and are in part the reason for their success.
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I have no idea how I missed the fact that the Flash is in Batman V Superman. I knew he was going to be in the Justice League obviously, but didn't realise he was in BvS and none of you canaries told me!
Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman all have very brief cameos in the movie, just to establish that they exist, really. Wonder Woman has a few minutes' screen time, so her role is basically that of an extended (but fairly important) cameo.
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Fuck you Flash! You made me cry *and* I had a good time watching.
This is a pretty damn good show!
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So now I KNOW I will not be giving my money to that fucking shit kabab movie.
I got what I wanted out of the BvS - the Wonder Woman stuff. And as I said, I could have waited for the youtube or television broadcast for that. The cameos of the other potential Justice Leaguers is definitely not worth the price of admission and snacks and especially not worth the turd blossom of the movie.

Don't torture yourself.
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We go in, stop Livewire, 85% chance of punching.

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Way too much like prefight conversations in City of Heroes.


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Hitting them all until they fall down isn't a plan?
Lots of corniness, but it all fit well enough. You are all very smrt and I agree with everyone else in this thrad. Just, you know, I want Barry and Kara to be best BFF friends forever.
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Not to take away the enjoyment of modern fans of the stuff,
I've decided that I prefer the separation of media.
I still like reading comic books and like my comic book heroes there. It's a sixty-plus year tradition for me.
Transferring them to TV and Motion Picture just doesn't seem work for me.
I've tried to adapt, but ever since the first Superman series on TV, I just never could buy into it.
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I can respect that. To each their own. I personally prefer the animated adaptations myself. I think animation works better for the fantastical elements present in comic books.
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BTAS, STAS, Batman Beyond and Justice League/Unlimited are fairly definitive versions of those characters.
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Late to the party, but I agree with everything said about how great the Flash/Supergirl crossover was.

What I want for the next one is a Winn/Cisco double act. And if you bring in Curtis from Arrow, who was beyond delightful this week, I will be the happiest girl alive.
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So, am I the only one that wants to Ship Avatar Korra and Kara?
I mean it would guarantee 100% chance of punching!
(and then I start to wonder, could you water bend ice breath or fire bend heat vision?)
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What I want for the next one is a Winn/Cisco double act. And if you bring in Curtis from Arrow, who was beyond delightful this week, I will be the happiest girl alive.
OH MAH GASH. Yes. A THOUSAND YESSES. Why didn't I think of this before? Finally someone who can geek out with Cisco about tech and stuff, AND coming up with funky names for villains! IT'S KISMET, DAMMIT.


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I must admit, I also want to see Earth-Supergirl Killer Frost team up with Silver Banshee and Live Wire.
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