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Time to track the dangerous immigrant down and prepare some Amerikaanse rode rivierkreeft met zelfgemaakte croutons.

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Many people in the U.S. (particularly the Southeastern U.S.) consider crayfish to be very good eating, and I would certainly recommend that you round up and cook as many of the Procambarus as you can, if only to reduce their numbers and thus their impacts upon native species.
and a crawfish pie and a filé gumbo ...
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The cooking program host also said herons, muskrats (Muskrat - Wikipedia) and zanders (Zander - Wikipedia) love the invaders too.
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:25 AM
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Many people in the U.S. (particularly the Southeastern U.S.) consider crayfish to be very good eating...
and a crawfish pie and a filé gumbo ...
They's all kinds of ways to eat crawfish...
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Like tossing them in the garbage… :unnod:
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:51 PM
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OK, I have a question. I just posted in Miscellany that some hawks were probably eating a cottontail in my front yard, and there are some pictures.

There was a huge cacophany of screeching and screaming, worse than usual, which is why I went to look, and then the two pictured hawks were in the front yard, and the bigger one was all busy while the smaller one mostly just watched it (and of course yelled a lot).

Well, they just left, so I went out to go see how big a murder scene was in the yard, and it looks like it's all feathers? Like down and red hawk looking feathers. But also it's attracting flies already, so is meat attached? Was that guy just grooming himself? Or did that bigger hawk kill the third hawk? Because this minute, I'm only seeing the two again, but I'll keep my eye out for the third one.

I guess I can go take a picture of the scene of the crime if that would help. Or I do have some crime tape around here somewhere. I could cordon it off and try to preserve the scene until you get out here to do forensics.
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From the pictures, they appear to be Red-Tailed Hawks (Buteo jamaicensis). One of the pictures clearly shows that one of them is holding a feather in its beak, so I'd say that one or both of them apparently killed a bird of some sort. If they were simply grooming, you'd probably not be seeing so many feathers as seem to be present, from your description. And if they were grooming, you wouldn't be seeing big flight feathers on the ground; only smaller, fluffier downy feathers, in all likelihood.


Without seeing the feathers, I couldn't say what kind of bird produced them, but it's unlikely that one or both of the hawks that you're seeing killed the third. While it's not unknown for young hawks to kill their siblings, these are more or less mature birds, and it's highly unusual for fledged hawks to attack and kill each other.

Red-tails commonly prey upon pigeons or other relatively large birds, so my best guess is that one of them killed a pigeon or other bird, and that's the source of the feathers. They don't actually eat the feathers of any birds they kill (feathers are nearly indigestible); usually, they'll rip out as many of a bird's feathers as they can before eating it. Between stabbing their victims with those dagger-like talons and then ripping out the feathers, red-tails tend to leave a lot of bloody feathers lying about whenever they kill and eat a bird.



If the third hawk has disappeared, it's likely that it has simply moved on. The young hawks should be just at the age where they're moving away from their parents (sometimes with some forceful "encouragement" by the parents) and establishing hunting territories of their own.
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Oh, yeah, they're almost definitely red tails, but here is what I'm talking about with the crime scene:

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I just can't imagine what other type of bird those big orange feathers could have come from, at least around here. (There are more of the big feathers scattered out of frame, too.)

And it's also weird that there were only three of them out flying around for a single day. They usually seem to hang around together for quite a bit longer than that. Last year, the fledglings didn't leave for a week or so.

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OK. Got louder than usual again, so I just checked, mid-poast, and now there are four of them. I just have no idea about anything anymore.
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Hmm ... most interesting. Those do appear to be red-tail feathers. But unless there have been some strong winds to blow most of them away, there don't seem to be enough to indicate that one of the hawks was killed and eaten -- besides, you'd expect there to be blood and perhaps a few remaining body parts in that case.


So, my best current guess is that there was some sort of territorial squabble and/or the parents were being aggressive about ejecting a youngster who didn't want to leave -- and somebody lost some feathers in the struggle.
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The feather atlas helps you to identify birds from their feathers. That link takes you to the Band-Tailed Pigeon wing feathers which look kinda similar. I looked at some of the Red-tailed Hawk feathers on that same site and they looked different to me. :shrug:

But I must admit I got tired of searching before I looked at them all and came here to post this so that someone else can do the hard work.

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Maybe a Northern Flicker.
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Or I do have some crime tape around here somewhere. I could cordon it off and try to preserve the scene until you get out here to do forensics.
Please do so. Preservation of evidence is vital in situations where a murder may have been committed.
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Yeah, Northern Flicker was my other thought. The patterns on the side and asymmetrical vane makes me think that they might be from a juvenile red-tail, but if the feathers are the result of predation, then the hawks wouldn't have left much of a relatively small bird like a flicker behind, which would explain the lack of blood or body parts.
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If it helps, I'm sure I could wrangle up a vb script so we can have a gui to search for things.

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