Dispatches from Libertopia

[Sauron]

Libertarianism. Not so "rising" after all.

:popc orn:

But what if there is no movement for the moment? Who are the libertarians, really? That was the question posed by the Pew Research Center in a Monday blog post. And their findings could create some skepticism about whether there actually is any libertarian movement to speak of.

"There are still many Americans who do not have a clear sense of what 'libertarian' means," Pew's Jocelyn Kiley wrote, "and our surveys find that, on many issues, the views among people who call themselves libertarian do not differ much from those of the overall public."

Some of the tell-tale signs were there. Self-described libertarians who could actually define the term -- about 11 percent of Americans, Pew found -- were more likely than the general population to support marijuana legalization and to believe government aid does more harm to the poor than good. That corresponds with their expected small-government philosophy.

[...]
But they then deviated on some of the issues with which the libertarian cause, and its personification in Paul, are most well known. "Libertarian" conjures anti-interventionism in foreign policy and absolutism in civil liberties. Think of Paul's now-famous filibuster of the nomination of CIA director John Brennan over the possibility of military drones being used on U.S. soil.

But Pew's research showed striking departures from the expected party line. Libertarians were more likely than the general U.S. population to say that it is better for the United States to have an active role in world affairs, according to the Center.

They even favored stop-and-frisk -- the controversial policing tactic -- a touch more than the average American, despite civil rights supposedly being one of the cornerstones of the libertarian movement.

Pew dug further into the numbers by looking back at its political typology report from June. Tellingly, out of the seven typologies that Pew identified within U.S. politics, "none closely resembled libertarians, and, in fact, self-described libertarians can be found in all seven," Kiley wrote. In some of the early versions of the report, there was a group that looked like libertarians. They made up about 5 percent of the U.S. population.

That group was later discarded under Pew's methodology, in part because the sample size was too small. But even that group was not a perfect manifestation of libertarians, Kiley noted.

"Many members of this group diverge from libertarian thinking on key issues," she wrote, "including about half who say affirmative action is a good thing and that stricter environmental laws are worth the cost."

[Stormlight]

I'm sorry Ehy Sauron but maybe AML is right and the lolberts are RISING:

Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing | Mail Online

[specious_reasons]

I knew I shouldn't comment, but a Libertarian friend of a friend on Facebook is complaining that this:
Teacher Jennifer Caswell Charged With Rape After Being Found With Teen In Hotel: Cops

shouldn't be considered rape.

Originally Posted by LOLbertarian

Yes, I know the student was 15, but you know what? 15 year olds know what sex is. They understand it. Instead of acting like she raped an unsuspecting child who didn't want it, let's see this for what it is. A boy had sex with an older woman and wanted it. If you want to say the relationship is inappropriate, that's your own prerogative, but it was definitely NOT rape."

Way to project your "hot for teacher" fantasies on a terrible situation!

Hey, I just blocked my first person on Facebook.

[godfry n. glad]

Hey....statutory is statutory.

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by godfry n. glad

Hey....statutory is statutory.

You can't use the fact that it's rape by statute to defend the statute! What circular logic you Statist have.

[AynMisesLibertarian]

Originally Posted by specious_reasons

!

Hey, I just blocked my first person on Facebook.

congratulations, maybe next time put it in a gulag for expressing his free opinion.

Btw most guy at 15 would fantasize about being "raped" by their hot teacher, So He perfectly right and I bet most male would laugh at the idea of another male being raped by a woman

[AynMisesLibertarian]

Libertarianism. Not so "rising" after all.

So libertarians tend to me more educated(people with a college degree) and have mixed opinion about international relationship ,stop and frisk etc since they are individual free thinkers and not a monolith block but they have a consistent opinion about the proper role of the government in both the economics side(less taxes and regulations) and social (against the war on drugs and pro-gay)

I'm sorry Ehy Sauron but maybe AML is right and the lolberts are RISING:

Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing | Mail Online

Libertarians do constantly better at economics test

http://www.jacklacton.com/2010/06/le...-101-fail.html

[1Samuel8]

Congratulations, Sauron! Today,your taxes are going to fund WW4, spread untold misery and to keep your fellow man distracted from what is going on in the real world. The only controlled-opposition you can handle is one that does not exist. You win the Political Commentary of the year award. The .gov needs more political commentators like you!

Originally Posted by Sauron

:popc orn:

Enjoy!
When you are done, get off the couch and box your shadow.

[Stormlight]

Libertarians do constantly better at economics test

http://www.jacklacton.com/2010/06/le...-101-fail.html

You're getting dumber by the hour.

Study Proves Libertarian Economists Ignorant | New Republic

[AynMisesLibertarian]

Originally Posted by Stormlight

Study Proves Libertarian Economists Ignorant | New Republic

"Note that all these questions measure not economic knowledge per se but agreement with the neoclassical model."

but since the neoclassical model is the only correct model (or they would not teach it at university level) to disagree with the neoclassical model is like being wrong...it is a tautology.

my favourite "argument"

The minimum wage question is even worse. It counts anybody who doubts that minimum wage laws always raise unemployment as ignorant, when in fact empirical evidence suggests that in practice the link may be nonexistent.

Ok ,we should try to set the minimum wage to 1000000000000$ and see what happen
According to this "journalist" the minimum wage will not raise unemployement since the link may be nonexistent

[AynMisesLibertarian]

Against Empathy | Boston Review

Leftists have a feminile irrational worldview based on emotions

People who have more empathy are more likely to be depressed,feel "unhappy" and make less money AKA they are failures .

This is the reason leftists hate capitalism and the free markets and are often feminazists mysogist, they know that capitalism favors people rational and logical with a masculine world view and not emotional boozo who think like a pussy.

Real man fend for themselves and care about themselves and their family

[Sock Puppet]

I bet blithering fucking idiots are less likely to be depressed, too.

By the way, real men -- as in real grown-ups -- don't get their livelihoods from mommy and daddy, either.

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

congratulations, maybe next time put it in a gulag for expressing his free opinion.

Btw most guy at 15 would fantasize about being "raped" by their hot teacher, So He perfectly right and I bet most male would laugh at the idea of another male being raped by a woman

My personal viewing experience does not infringe on the idiot's right to express himself, just like you have the right to say whatever you want, so we can laugh at you.

I can tell you the same thing I told the others. It might not be "rape" but the teacher started having sex with a student over which she had both authority and responsibility, not to mention the functional differences between a 15 and 28 year old. It was wrong. It was abuse on the part of the teacher, and if the authorities choose to prosecute that as rape, I'm totally OK with that.

[Stormlight]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

Against Empathy | Boston Review

Leftists have a feminile irrational worldview based on emotions

People who have more empathy are more likely to be depressed,feel "unhappy" and make less money AKA they are failures .

This is the reason leftists hate capitalism and the free markets and are often feminazists mysogist, they know that capitalism favors people rational and logical with a masculine world view and not emotional boozo who think like a pussy.

Real man fend for themselves and care about themselves and their family

I haven't met many people that hate the free market more than you do, cretin. You wouldn't survive a week if you had to compete in the free market.

[Dingfod]

Originally Posted by Sock Puppet

By the way, real men -- as in real grown-ups -- don't get their livelihoods from mommy and daddy, either.

They also pay off their gambling debts.

[AynMisesLibertarian]

Originally Posted by specious_reasons

My personal viewing experience does not infringe on the idiot's right to express himself, just like you have the right to say whatever you want, so we can laugh at you.

I can tell you the same thing I told the others. It might not be "rape" but the teacher started having sex with a student over which she had both authority and responsibility, not to mention the functional differences between a 15 and 28 year old. It was wrong. It was abuse on the part of the teacher, and if the authorities choose to prosecute that as rape, I'm totally OK with that.

[SERIOUS] [NSFW] Men who have been raped by a woman, what happened? : AskReddit

If you exclude the few really fucked up things(like the 6yo being sodomized by the mother and grandfather or the guy anally raped with a vibrator) the vast majority of these "experiences " are not really rape at all

I tried to let a girl at our house party down easy once. Told her she was cute but that I was taken. She said she couldn't drive and needed to crash on the couch, which is cool. I ended up going to bed in my room. I woke up sometime later to her in her bra and panties sucking my dick in my room, in my bed. I yelled at her and told her to get the fuck out, having no idea how long she had been in there (I was out cold). I never told anyone because I didn't want it to get back to my at the time girlfriend because I know that's an image that would have been stuck in her head forever.

my babysitter raped me at the age of 10. She was 16 years old by then, and decided to play with me. She wanted to play everything that involves touching and she would touch my penis occasionally

16, had only kissed/made out with girls, never had alcohol, wanted no drugs, at a party outside my clean little element. Girl I liked and had been talking to handed me a cherry Coke. I usually didn't drink cherry anything, so it tasted a little odd, and I figured it was the different kind of pop. Went upstairs with her to a lounge area, started getting drowsy. Woke up in the middle of the night with two different girls (neither was the one from before) in a bed with me, naked at least from the waist up, and I was in the next house over. All my clothes were still in the same room I had been getting drowsy in the night before. (Those last two sentences took a lot longer to work out than type.)
Got dressed, drove to a friend's house, slept it off, and had him tell everyone we were out late watching movies. Good friends don't press when you say you really can't say why they have to cover. And since no one at that party was anyone from my school, cut off all contact with all of them forever and pretended it didn't happen (or, tried my best) for the next 5 years or so. Eventually processed it over the course of a decade with my wife.

how the fuck these and other "waaa a hot girl took my penis in his mouth while I was asleep " are supposed to be rape? these are actually most male sexual fantasy not RAPE

[Ari]

I know words and definitions are hard.
Here try this, it might help.

Why am I not surprised though that you would advocate "I would like it, thus everyone should like it." I bet you think cat calling is just fine cause you would love to be cat called! So much for your libertarian claims of 'to each his own, so long as it doesn't affect me.'

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

If you exclude the few really fucked up things(like the 6yo being sodomized by the mother and grandfather or the guy anally raped with a vibrator) the vast majority of these "experiences " are not really rape at all
[...examples of rape deleted...]
how the fuck these and other "waaa a hot girl took my penis in his mouth while I was asleep " are supposed to be rape? these are actually most male sexual fantasy not RAPE

At least the idiot I read on Facebook had a flimsy case that the student may have been a willing participant.

Try to think: Suppose you held a party at your parent's house, and had a bit too much to drink. You go to your room and pass out. The next morning, you wake up to a lady giving you head. "Sex fantasy time!" you think, but what happens when your (potentially not fictional) future wife walks into your room to wake you up after your bender?

Could it be that your totally-not-made-up significant other might expect a reasonable degree of sexual fidelity? Even if this person is totally "hot", is it unreasonable to refuse having sex with her to keep your relationship with your ersatz girl?

Well, then just maybe you're not having consensual sex - that my precious moron, is rape.

[Ari]

Originally Posted by specious_reasons

"Sex fantasy time!" you think, but what happens when...

She's like, "yeah I have oral HSV 2 but I don't have to worry about it."

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

So libertarians tend to me more educated(people with a college degree) and have mixed opinion about international relationship ,stop and frisk etc since they are individual free thinkers and not a monolith block but they have a consistent opinion about the proper role of the government in both the economics side(less taxes and regulations) and social (against the war on drugs and pro-gay)

Libertarians do constantly better at economics test

Jack Lacton: The left's score on Economics 101 - FAIL

Which Libertarians are those? The ones who don't know what the fuck 'libertarianism' even means? Most likely. For 'more educated types' they seem to be pretty fucking stupid.

Basically, the author seems to be saying that 'Libertarians' are nothing but servile lackeys for the Koch brothers...Koch suckers, in other words.

So...You're an ignorant Koch sucker, AML.

Plus, they probably don't pay their gambling debts, either.

[Stormlight]

Ayn Rand's Capitalist Paradise Is Now a Greedy Land-Grabbing Shitstorm

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by Stormlight

Ayn Rand's Capitalist Paradise Is Now a Greedy Land-Grabbing Shitstorm

Lawsuits? Libertarians haz lawyers in paradise? Wouldn't that require dependency upon a state?

Also...for Libertarians, wouldn't it be a 'pair o' dice'?

[1Samuel8]

Originally Posted by godfry n. glad

Lawsuits? Libertarians haz lawyers in paradise? Wouldn't that require dependency upon a state?

No.
Without state control, lawyers would predominantly work for insurance companies by assessing and negotiating claims --- much like your insurance broker acts now. There is no need for a state. Anybody can threaten violence and usually that is how things are in reality.

Lawyers who argue the best and win the most cases get the most demand.

Cases can be negotiated in private courts just like they can be now. You choose how you want your claims to be settled through your life or property insurance company.

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by Stormlight

Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing | Mail Online

The text on that link is backwards: the cause should go before the effect.

[erimir]

Originally Posted by Stormlight

Ayn Rand's Capitalist Paradise Is Now a Greedy Land-Grabbing Shitstorm

Obviously the person falling for the con was not brilliant enough to be one of the Masters of Capitalism anyway, so they deserve what they get.

Why shouldn't they cheat her out of her money?

Grab the money and run. It's in their self-interest.

ETA: The comments there are actually entertaining to read So many libertarians whining that the progressives are showing their true faces by laughing at misfortune. Meanwhile, they never fail to bring up Detroit and laugh at the "failure of progressivism" as if Detroit is the only place in the world run by progressives. So many of them talking about private arbitration or courts where you must pay for use, not understanding how these could ever fail to reach a non-violent resolution. So many complaining that government controlling water rights is the problem, as if governmental regulation of water rights sprung up out of nowhere - yes, why indeed should we give a shit about those who live downstream? It's my river, so the water in it belongs to me! It fell on my land. I don't know where the clouds came from, but that's irrelevant, ownership of air and water vapor is of no concern to libertarian philosophies! So that water is mine because I have a deed... that I bought from a guy, who inherited it from his dad, and his dad, and his dad, and his dad, who got it from the government, who massacred some Indians and stole it. So therefore that's my water - and I never initiated force!