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Zimbabwe army seizes state TV but denies coup ongoing | News | Al Jazeera

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Zimbabwe's military has seized state TV and blocked off access to government offices in the capital Harare.

In a televised address early on Wednesday morning, military spokesperson, Major General SB Moyo, said the army was seeking to "pacify a degenerating, social, and economic situation" in the country.

Moyo denied that the army was carrying out a coup against President Robert Mugabe's government and said the leader and his family were "safe and sound and their safety is guaranteed".
Nothing to see here, move along.

Also Zimbabwe army denies coup against Mugabe as it takes control of Harare – live | World news | The Guardian
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So... Mugabe was a dictator without democratic legitimacy who ran a corrupt and incompetent regime and violated human rights... right?

A coup is bad because of instability, and instability could lead to something really bad like a civil war, but assuming it doesn't, it doesn't seem to me that getting rid of Mugabe is necessarily bad. In fact, it could end up being quite an improvement depending on who takes charge.

He's also old as fuck (93 years old), so his death isn't going to be too long from now. I don't know if he had a successor lined up or if he was too paranoid to have done. Either way, there was going to potentially be a crisis of succession when he dies, which could lead to some of the same instability.

Anyway, fuck Mugabe and I hope the military intends to liberalize and democratize the government there. If not, fuck them too.
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...I hope the military intends to liberalize and democratize the government there.
Doesn't look like it. Just the succession crisis getting underway now rather than waiting for Mugabe to kick the bucket.

Zimbabwe's Coup Is Nothing to Celebrate - Bloomberg

Best hope is that the instability allows a bit of space for an effective opposition to mobilise, but I don't know the situation well enough to guess whether there's a chance of that.
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Ah. Well, fuck Mnangagwa too then.

Given how old he was, Mugabe could've taken the opportunity a few years ago to allow the opposition to share power, instead of neglecting to rig the election, being embarrassed and then violently cracking down on them. Enjoy his final years in luxury (potentially in exile) knowing that at least he'll have a legacy of having reformed at the end would probably be preferable.

But that's not how he chose to go down. So it doesn't sound like a really positive outcome was likely either, as his wife doesn't sound like she'd likely have been a good leader either (although I guess given what Mnangagwa's guilty of in that Bloomberg article, there's a chance she could've been quite a bit better than him).
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Yup, this is all about Mnangagwa getting rid of "Graceless". Morgan Tsvangirai and the Movement for Democratic Change represent the chance to liberalize and democratize that you are looking for, and they still seem to be on the margins.

Good article: Tactical error leaves weakened Mugabe facing end of an era | World news | The Guardian
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It was a Hoos Coup!

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Democracy hasn't arrived:
How the people of Zimbabwe were sidelined, yet again | Robert Mugabe | Al Jazeera

Comrade Bob hasn't gone, yet:
Mugabe in first public appearance since army takeover | News | Al Jazeera
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Bob has resigned! Sorry, 'resigned' ...

Mugabe 'resigns' - latest - BBC News




This interrupts the impeachment proceedings that were going on in parliament.
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Bob has resigned! Sorry, 'resigned' ...
First the World Health Organization rescinded its decision to make ol' Bob its "goodwill ambassador," and now this. What's the point of being a serial mass murderer nowadays? :sadcheer:
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