Winnie the Flu

[Dragar]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Are you guys still on this? The election is almost over and then this nonsense about being afraid of the common cold will be all over.

Narrator: But it wasn't.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Dragar

Narrator: But it wasn't.

Heh. Do you really think it will last past spring?

The vast majority of people don't know anyone one in their contact list that is dead from. The spell will be broken once the election is over, its already been broken for most.

[Dragar]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Heh. Do you really think it will last past spring?

The vast majority of people don't know anyone one in their contact list that is dead from. The spell will be broken once the election is over, its already been broken for most.

The election is in spring?

Do you think something can be serious even if the vast majority of people don't know anyone who died from it?

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by Dragar

Do you think

We've seen no evidence of this so far

[ChuckF]

JFK Jr tho

[Ari]

I’ve found it quite amusing that the same basic group that believes invisible spirits walk the world with demons ready to strike around every corner. Who panicked about terrorists for years and years after a single attack. Are now like “don’t live in fear guys!” “Haha look at you all panic just because it’s invisible to the human eye, don’t believe their fantasy!”

Of course, when no one is actually panicking, we all know the one person who is constantly bringing the conversation back to panic and fear is probably the one actually panicking and trying really hard not to show it.

[lisarea]

I generally agree, although I admit I get a little panicky sometimes.

Overall, though, yes, the denialism is a clear fear response. I 100% sympathize with that. I would love to believe that Trump was right and that the virus is fake or overblown and that climate change isn't really happening and police are good and racism doesn't exist and all that just world type of stuff. Because the truth sucks.

A lot of people are really overwhelmed, and think about it. If you never paid much attention to current events because you were incurious or just too busy with other stuff or had a hard time following it, it'd seem like all these things just came out of nowhere, like some big supernatural phenomenon.

I'm not at all surprised that people are going around the bend on this. The extent of it is a little shocking sometimes, but it's understandable that people are unhinged right now. It'd be weird not to be.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Corsi's livelihood depends on selling books about FUD.

[Ari]

Originally Posted by lisarea

I generally agree, although I admit I get a little panicky sometimes.

Oh I agree, and really there in fact is an impossible to see with the naked eye disease that doesn’t care about your beliefs or intentions floating around out there. If anything, that seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to panic over.

There’s a lot out there that I wouldn’t call panic though, concern, worry, exhaustion, certainly, but not so much panic or fear (at least of the virus, there’s plenty of panic and fear over an economy and society that has the least safetynets for those that need them most).

[Dragar]

A pandemic like this is a very boring crisis. The risk at a personal level is very low for most people - hardly noticeable for the young. The crisis is in the aggregate due to exponential growth.

When the next pandemic hits, we might be looking back at this one wishing it were only so bad.

[beyelzu]

Also, let’s not forget the role of technology, without oxygen what would be the IFR?

If covid19 has hit a hundred years ago, it’s not clear to me that it wouldn’t have been just as bad as the Spanish flu.

It has between .6 and 1 IFR with our modern technology.

The asymptomatic spread means that without contact tracing and testing (antibodies or pcr also recent technology) it would be hard to suppress.

Even the Spanish flu wasn’t the Black Death.

I mean it’s a very low bar to not have the dead piling up in the streets.

[Dragar]

Maybe, but I might also take 1918 demographics in the comparison! We have a much older population.

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

I mean it’s a very low bar to not have the dead piling up in the streets.

Exactly! The correct policy (of the past 20 years or so) is to have the dead pile up in the Middle East, in prisons, at the border, etc.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

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— Michael de Adder (@deAdder) October 19, 2020

[Jerome]

They are pushing it hard, a woman, in her 30's, who tested negative two days ago, got on an aero-plane, then died of corona.

See, after the blood clot in her lung killed her, they classified it as coroa-19.

This is the report on NPR.



Corona can kill you over months, or hours, if you catch it. Fucking silly wankers.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

[JoeP]

Donald Trump’s COVID-19 plan

[beyelzu]

"So here's what we have to do: We're not going to control the pandemic," said Meadows, who previously served in Congress as a Tea Party Republican. "We are gonna control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics, and other mitigation areas."

Trump Chief of Staff agrees with you Joep.


They’re plan to control Covid is to not plan to control covid.

[JoeP]

Some of you may die but that is a risk I am prepared to take .jpg

[ceptimus]

Might soon be worth firing up the handy-dandy doubling days tracker again.



Also notable that it took a couple of months to get the numbers down last time with a relatively severe national lock down (schools and most shops closed). But this time around, with a half-measures* lock down in just some parts of the country, politicians are saying two or three weeks will be enough. Yeah, right.

* Even in the highest tier locked down areas, most shops are still open; even pubs are open so long as they serve food, and the schools are planned to open again (they've actually not been shut - it just happens to be the school half-term holidays right now). Also, more people complied with the recommendations last time - now, many are openly flouting them.

[JoeP]

MPs and "advisers" among those flouting.

[Dragar]

I thought it was a 10-14 day doubling time, but that plot looks closer to 7 days.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Something happened in the comments

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Oh hey, check out this stats site:
Canada, COVID-19 Patient Status, Over Time, Annotated

Canada, but it's a good site with tabs by province on the top. Interesting visual.

[JoeP]

Looks like NS is going really well and BC is a disaster.