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Enron Ed Gillespie, who turned Neo-Confederate in a bid to excite Trumpkin racist shitheads into turning out for a K Street lobbyist who will fuck them over because he'll fuck over black and Hispanic people even more, has lost his bid to Ralph Northam...

By ~5 pts more than the polls predicted (NYT currently projects Northam wins by 8.8 pts).

It looks like Democrats might flip the lower house of the Virginia legislature (the House of Delegates) as well, which was considered a longshot.

A trans woman has defeated a long-time Republican member of the VA House who wrote anti-trans bathroom bills.

So far tonight, it looks like racists and transphobes can eat shit.

Hopefully this is a taste of things to come. And also hopefully Donald Trump is incensed. And also hopefully Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are shitting their pants.
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Old 11-08-2017, 05:07 AM
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Final margin appears to be Northam +8.9. This is the largest margin for VA-GOV for a Democrat since the 80s.

Other victories tonight:

NJ Governor goes to the Democrat easily, no duh because Chris Christie is one of the least popular governors of all time and the Republican candidate was his lieutenant.

A Democrat won reelection as mayor of NYC for the first time since the 80s. Remember when Hillary Clinton was going to run for that for some reason?

Maine voted to expand Medicaid under Obamacare by about 18 pts.

Democrats also flipped or held some mayoral offices and state legislative seats, among other things, more to come on that... Waiting on a special election in Washington state which could give Democrats control over the governorship and both legislative houses also.

ETA: Looks like the Democrat wins in WA. Democrats now control all the governor's mansions and legislatures on the West Coast (unless you count Alaska).

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Old 11-08-2017, 08:58 PM
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The special election in Utah to replace Jason Chaffetz was a win for the Republicans, as expected. However, this can still be counted as an improvement - the winner, John Curtis is more moderate than Chaffetz and didn't vote for Trump last year, although I'm sure he's a likely vote for tax cuts for the rich and other Republican BS it's pretty hard to be as much of a hack as Chaffetz.

Anyway, Jason Chaffetz won by 47 pts last year, and Trump won it by 24, and Romney won it by 59 pts in 2012. Curtis only won by 30.5 pts. This is good news for Republicans, in that the candidate outperformed Trump. The bad news is he didn't do better by a huge amount and Trump was extremely unpopular for a Republican in Utah. This indicates that 2016 is closer to how Utah will vote than 2012 (although Romney as a Mormon outperformed a typical Republican), and Donald Trump was extremely unpopular for a Republican in Utah.

But a result like this suggests Democrats might be able to pick up the weakest GOP seat in Utah next year. There had previously been a Democrat Jim Matheson from Salt Lake City for 14 years, but after the 2010 census the Republicans gerrymandered so that parts of Salt Lake City were split among all four of their districts. Even so, Matheson was able to win reelection in that district in 2012...

It could also indicate a high likelihood of flipping seats at lower levels in Utah, I suppose.
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This Trans Metalhead Stepmom Is Making a Historic Run for Office in Virginia - Noisey

Fucking badass.

I may have more comments later, but overall it feels like we've emerged from a year in the Upside-Down.
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This tweet thread.




234 replies and 21 likes at this point is an indication of how things are going.
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I think it's time Democrats put more resources into that Alabama Senate race...

Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32 - The Washington Post


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Jesus Christ.

"Better a child rapist than a Democrat"

Who the fuck says essentially that to a REPORTER?

These defenses suggest that AL Republicans know these accusations are, at a minimum, highly credible... and maybe they suspect more will come out.



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“There is nothing to see here,” [Republican] Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler told the Washington Examiner. “The allegations are that a man in his early 30s dated teenage girls. Even the Washington Post report says that he never had sexual intercourse with any of the girls and never attempted sexual intercourse.”

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“He’s clean as a hound’s tooth,” Ziegler claimed, before relying on Scripture to defend Moore.

“Take the Bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist,” Ziegler said choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. “Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”

“There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here,” Ziegler concluded. “Maybe just a little bit unusual.”
Alabama state auditor defends Roy Moore against sexual allegations, invokes Mary and Joseph

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Oooooh this is a toughie
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It was just brought to my attention that Danika Roem was elected to represent:

District 13.
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Jesus Christ.

"Better a child rapist than a Democrat"

Who the fuck says essentially that to a REPORTER?

These defenses suggest that AL Republicans know these accusations are, at a minimum, highly credible... and maybe they suspect more will come out.



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“There is nothing to see here,” [Republican] Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler told the Washington Examiner. “The allegations are that a man in his early 30s dated teenage girls. Even the Washington Post report says that he never had sexual intercourse with any of the girls and never attempted sexual intercourse.”

[...]

“He’s clean as a hound’s tooth,” Ziegler claimed, before relying on Scripture to defend Moore.

“Take the Bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist,” Ziegler said choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. “Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”

“There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here,” Ziegler concluded. “Maybe just a little bit unusual.”
Alabama state auditor defends Roy Moore against sexual allegations, invokes Mary and Joseph
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lol Jim Zeigler. Why do stories like this always insist on getting to Lulztown via the What's the Big Deal About Child Rape Express?

And what kind of dystopian horror show are we living that has Mitt "Borrow a Mill From Your Parents and Start a Business" Romney talking like a human?
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lol Jim Zeigler. Why do stories like this always insist on getting to Lulztown via the What's the Big Deal About Child Rape Express?

And what kind of dystopian horror show are we living that has Mitt "Borrow a Mill From Your Parents and Start a Business" Romney talking like a human?
Mitt Romney is not half the monster of a lot of his colleagues are. I mean, I wouldn't want him to be President, but given a choice between him and the current administration or Roy Moore, he's the significantly lesser of two evils.
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Mitt Romney thinks the peasants should be peasants.

But he doesn't think it's ok if the gentry rape the peasants.

This is a real distinction. But it says more about how depraved his fellow Republicans are than about him being a moral paragon. Not defending or covering* for child molesters is a pretty low bar.

*You know, like "IF it's true! I, of course, have no opinion on its truth after reading a meticulously sourced account with elements confirmed by official records and Moore's sketchy responses to questions about dating young girls and history of siding with men accused of raping underage girls in court cases. So I guess we'll just never know. Vote Roy Moore!"
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There's a reason Roy Moore was avoiding giving interviews or debating Doug Jones before all of this. It's because he's an idiot.







This man is so stupid that he's making Sean Hannity look like a journalist despite Hannity's best efforts to shill for a child molester.

See also this interview:

Alabama Senate GOP frontrunner: Constitution was written to "foster Christianity" - Vox

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Roy Moore: There are communities under Sharia law right now in our country. Up in Illinois. Christian communities; I don’t know if they may be Muslim communities.

But Sharia law is a little different from American law. It is founded on religious concepts.

Jeff Stein: Which American communities are under Sharia law? When did they fall under Sharia law?

Roy Moore: Well, there’s Sharia law, as I understand it, in Illinois, Indiana — up there. I don't know.

Jeff Stein: That seems like an amazing claim for a Senate candidate to make.

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Jeff Stein: I’d like to learn more about the communities in America you think are under Sharia law.

Roy Moore: I was informed that there were. But if they’re not, it doesn’t matter. Sharia law incorporates Muslim law into the law. That’s not what we do. We do not punish people according to the Christian precepts of our faith — so there’s a difference.

I’ll just say: I don’t know if there are. I understand that there are some.

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Monty Python - Expedition to Lake Pahoe - YouTube

Well hell and dammit. I can't get it to embed even removing the s and shit. Just click the thing like a goddamned refugee.
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lol "Not generally"
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Seriously with the Overton window, Jesus fuck.
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Well hell and dammit. I can't get it to embed even removing the s and shit. Just click the thing like a goddamned refugee.

Sock would very much like for you to start viewing at offset 2m48s. Even if that breaks the imyoutubed code.
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Hi media, hello, yes.

In no reality is a 32 year old adult undressing and groping a 14 year old child equivalent to "dating."

Thank you for your attention, that is all.
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Ok, so sure, Roy Moore may have preyed on young girls. Molested them even.

But is Doug Jones so much better?

Here's a picture of Doug Jones in the act of assaulting an innocent child:

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HEY YOU LEAVE SWEET AND KIND DOUG JONES, BODY ACTOR, OUT OF THIS!
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When you've lost Ted Cruz and Mitch McConnell.

Though McConnell didn't hand pick Moore anyway.
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Al Franken :sadcheer:

Not sure what the cutoff is for "past conduct that requires resignation" but Senate Democrats have all (afaik) condemned the behavior. Nonetheless, we will hear both-sides and false equivalencies between attempted rape of teenage girls, pussy-grabbing* and what Franken's accused of. Nonetheless, Franken might have to go.

We'll also see that personal conduct around these things is very important, but GOP opposition to laws that make sexual harassment, assault and rape harder to get away with is just a difference of opinion.

*Actually, they'd prefer just not to talk about that at all
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